Oscar talking ishhhh about the great RJJ!!!!!!!

Which is a good thing, but I can just see some suit advising him to do some of that to help his PR, or just keep the government off his back in general. Wonder how much of that goes to his kids that he ignores entirely ???

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Oscar is a little bitch. If he and Roy were even close to the same weight class, he would know what it is like to be dominated, humiliated and knocked out cold. I woulda loved to see Roy crush Oscar. And its just ignorant to suggest that Roy was dominated in the Tarver loss, he was winning every second up until that one in a million punch KO'd him. If you wanna say he was dominated, bring up the Johnson fight, if you are a hater. Roy is the Greatest of all time, and beat all his rivals in his prime. Oscar lost to many of his.

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theres at least 2 Extremely worthy opponents he never fought that he should have

but as far as greatest of ALL time ?? what did he do that people like Roberto Duran and Ali didnt do?

Won something like 6 titles at 4 different weights?

Calling Roy the heavyweight Champion of the world is as ridiculous as calling Oscar the middleweight champion of the world. Neither of them won legitamate belts in those respective divisions.

I agree with what Samson is saying but then Floyd hasnt really beat the number 1 in each division either neither have afew other fighters so its up for debate .Winning the heavyweight title from starting off at middle is a big achievement but whats not mentioned is that he was beating the worst heavyweight of all time.

If Oscar beat Nard that would have been a greater achievement cuz Bernard was a long time established number 1 unlike Ruiz .

Over their careers though , Oscar came back from defeat better . He has never been dominated like Jones and with the exception of Trinidad , Oscar didnt run in his big fights . On the otherhand Jones was the classier guy . Hes the one who looked invincible during his peak and was p4p number 1 for a good while

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but then Floyd hasnt really beat the number 1 in each division

Game I never want to go against what your saying cause u da man, but Hernandez was #1 at Jr. Light when Floyd beat him, Diego Corrales was #1 as well at Jr. Light & so was Castillo at lightweight..

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Originally Posted by atomic bull

...the last I checked Robinson had over 200 pro fights and was never KTFO, and Robinson fought a who's who in his career, So RJ as he calls himself or Roy Jones Jr better take a reality check on his self.

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But in his last fight he was dropped and almost stopped by a guy with about 5 KO's ::** even the greatest falter in the twilight of their careers, you act like Roy was supposed to be an exception ::**

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*generic 'with your sister'* comment :P

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If you seen what she looked like you would feel ashamed of youself...Unless your into the hairy lip thing...Now Me and mom alone

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Oscar is a little bitch. If he and Roy were even close to the same weight class, he would know what it is like to be dominated, humiliated and knocked out cold. I woulda loved to see Roy crush Oscar. And its just ignorant to suggest that Roy was dominated in the Tarver loss, he was winning every second up until that one in a million punch KO'd him. If you wanna say he was dominated, bring up the Johnson fight, if you are a hater. Roy is the Greatest of all time, and beat all his rivals in his prime. Oscar lost to many of his.

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theres at least 2 Extremely worthy opponents he never fought that he should have

but as far as greatest of ALL time ?? what did he do that people like Roberto Duran and Ali didnt do?

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What Eubank? Eubank said himself he never wanted to fight Roy Jones and MADE SURE he didn't.

And if you mean Benn. Benn ducked James Toney, so Roy fought him and we saw what Roy did to James.

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Oscar is a little bitch. If he and Roy were even close to the same weight class, he would know what it is like to be dominated, humiliated and knocked out cold. I woulda loved to see Roy crush Oscar. And its just ignorant to suggest that Roy was dominated in the Tarver loss, he was winning every second up until that one in a million punch KO'd him. If you wanna say he was dominated, bring up the Johnson fight, if you are a hater. Roy is the Greatest of all time, and beat all his rivals in his prime. Oscar lost to many of his.

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theres at least 2 Extremely worthy opponents he never fought that he should have

but as far as greatest of ALL time ?? what did he do that people like Roberto Duran and Ali didnt do?

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What Eubank? Eubank said himself he never wanted to fight Roy Jones and MADE SURE he didn't.

And if you mean Benn. Benn ducked James Toney, so Roy fought him and we saw what Roy did to James.

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Shiiiiiiiiiiit babe. ive been to 3 RJJ fights but id trade them all to be at the James Toney fight. Now that was beautiful!!!!!!!!

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true but RJJ was so pissed because he said he had to go up and fight a HW and win the crown to gurantee himself 10million when Oscar gets 10million for fighting CAMPOS Fin CAMPOS ahahaha. so yeah i agree with roy there a former middleweight champ going up to win the HW crown should get more than a welterweight fighting CAMPOS haahahha.

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As much as I dislike Oscar he got paid because people wanted to see him fight, he had and still has a ton of star power, that's the only thing you can compare, in the ring though there is no comparison. But outside of the ring he was the biggest non heavyweight draw in history.

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This here is exactly why HBO backed Oscar to the fullest. He brings the people out like no Non Heavyweight ever could and sells out the gate. As great as RJJ was he never was the box office draw that Oscar still is and he does fail at promoting his own fights.

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In my opinion it's hard to call Oscar humble. He may not of been as overt with his ego as Roy, but he still has as big if not a bigger ego. The guy has how many kids he treats as if they dont exist? (sorry this makes you a piss poor human being) How often do you hear about Oscar donating any of his money to other fighters who can barely afford to survive? Roy has, and not just with Gerald Mcclelland - as Mike Tyson has donated money to alot more than just 1 fighter. Deep down I think Roy is a genuinely good guy who made some bad decisions with how he promoted himself and if he could of gone back in time to change it all I'm sure he would. The trash talking is irrelevant, Ali did it and everyone praises him for it - and Ali isn't the beginning of a pimple on the a** of Roy Jones

So maybe on the outside Roy seems like an asshole, but it's hard to deny the good intentions. Oscar whether you like to believe it or not is a snake concerned with only one thing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, even though you have to give him props for taking all the dangerous fights

Did I mention Oscar has chicken legs? ;D

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actually Oscar wrote a check to the late levander johnson's family after his demise the media speculated it to be around 5 to 7 million dollars. Oscar donated a huge piece of land to the government for building of a high school in a poor neighbourhood in california. he started the Oscar de la hoya foundation which gives tution money to underpriveledged kids who can't afford to pay for post-secondary. he donated 5 million dollars to the cancer society in his mother's name, also gave 1 million dollar to a children's hospital. On thanksgiving he donates turkeys to the poor and on christmas he gives toys to the neighborhood kids. These are just a little of what I know, oscar has probably given more. I think it is safe to say oscar is more generous and does more to help his community and his sport

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I agree 100%! Also he is taking back boxing and making it possible for fighters to work without depending on fighting till they injure themselves. His Golden Boy Promotions is making it possible for fighters to fight without having to depend on snakes such as Don King & Bob Arum. You have Mosley, Hopkins MAB working for him and I'm sure their are jobs for others. RJJ & ODH are both great fighters but Oscar has done more for boxing than RJJ could ever do. I'm not being biased but the facts prove this point.

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Well Oscar, nobody is questioning whether or not Jones threw his knockout losses ;)

And if Roy had stuck around at 154 from his pro debut and you had fought him YOU would have been knocked out.

And also Oscar Felix Sturm dominated you pretty easily, Bernard Hopkins dominated you too. And so did Shane Mosley, after an even first 6 rounds you were dominated in 6 straight rounds by Shane Mosley if thats not getting dominated I dont know what is. Roy never had 3 decisions handed to him by HBO and why? because the greatest fighters of his decade who Roy fought he dominated and he BEAT Bernard Hopkins who you got knocked out by a body shot. I've Never seen Roy RUN when he was dropped by Lou Del Valle, he got up and fought harder. You got caught in the body by Trinidad and ran the last 3 rounds

Oscar, no matter if you are a bigger draw then Roy Jones Jr, you will never ever BE Roy Jones Jr, in the history of boxing he will be ranked above you.

So shut up Oscar, stop trying to be the Baller27 of the boxing world, Roy(not Josh) IS harder then you..and you just have to deal with it.

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actually no, Oscar was never dominated, a fat bloated DLH IMO lost to Sturm but it was close, you could even argue for it to be a draw, Hopkins he won basically the first 5 or 6 rounds and then Hopkins, the naturally bigger man then imposed his strength and gradually took out DLH, Mosley in no way dominated, the first fight was very competitive and Mosley although he won clearly it wasn't by much, the second fight DLH clearly won and was robbed big time. Wanna bring up the Jones beating Hopkins, yea he did, he beat the Bernard Hopkins of ten years ago, not the P4P king of the middleweight division that easily dominated both men that have KO'd Jones. Jones would have lost his third fight against Tarver by KO also he was just lucky that Tarver got over anxious and fell through the ropes.

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I didn't mention the whipping Pernell Whitaker put on him.

I also don't remember Roy needing the judges to hand him fights he lost. Roy was much more dominant when the spotlight came on. And Oscar wasn't even close to Roy on p4p lists and never would be.

Oscar has been dominated by Mosley, it was even. And then Oscar lost 6 rounds in a row, that's not being dominated ???

The Felix Sturn DLH fight WASN'T close. Sturm dominated DLH pretty easily. And Oscar got handed a decision he didn't deserve, can you name me one fight Roy had in which he got handed a decision he didn't deserve? If you want to bring up the Firts Tarver fight(which Roy won clearly) he dominated the last 3 rounds when faced with adversity, and what did DLH do? ran....

And you say Roy was lucky not to get knocked out by Tarver in the third fight? If Tarver hadn't fell over the ropes that Roy would have been KO'd? Well then if Quartey and Whitaker wouldn't have been robbed, then Oscar would have 2 more losses wouldn't he?

So what if it was the Hopkins of 10 years ago? Fact is the fight was 10 YEARS AGO!! And Roy(for a supposed glass chin) took Hopkins best shots at a time when Hopkins fought a style that went for the knockout each and every round. Do you think Hopkins would have ever outboxed Roy Jones jr? Remember it was the Roy Jones Jr of 10 years ago too, Roy was as finished a product as Hopkins was and both didn't hit their style peak until later on.

Roy took Hopkins best shots and didn't fall, and Oscar got knocked out.

And like I said, nobody questioned Roy or thought he threw his knockout losses. People question DLH's because of the shot from Hopkins. And I've never seen Roy run from an opponent, he may have not traded with them 24/7 but he never ran. Oscar ran and won decisions by running.

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DLH clearly beat Quartey and I thought that although close he beat Whitaker, yea Roy has dominated, but against WHO? the vast majority of Jones' conquests have been bums who's biggest name on their record was their loss to Jones, don't get me wrong Jones is an all time great but he isn't light years ahead in talent and accomplishments over DLH, yea everybody knows that Hopkins only got better as time went on, and if the Hopkins that fought Jones were to fight the Hopkins that fought Trinidad, Joppy, DLH, Taylor, and whooped Tarver , he would easily dismantle him.

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DLH clearly beat Quartey and I thought that although close he beat Whitaker, yea Roy has dominated, but against WHO? the vast majority of Jones' conquests have been bums who's biggest name on their record was their loss to Jones, don't get me wrong Jones is an all time great but he isn't light years ahead in talent and accomplishments over DLH, yea everybody knows that Hopkins only got better as time went on, and if the Hopkins that fought Jones were to fight the Hopkins that fought Trinidad, Joppy, DLH, Taylor, and whooped Tarver , he would easily dismantle him.

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How many of Oscar's foe's that he dominated went on to become major world champions after with 2 being legends and one in his prime that are HoF locks?

HOF locks for ODH
Tito/Mosely/SweatPea/Chavez/Bhop
other notables:Vargas, Rueles, Gonzalez, Carr, Quartey, Gatti, Castillejo
HOF locks for RJJ
Toney??/Bhop/Mccalum
other notables: Tarver/Gjohnson/Rjohnson/Griffin/VHill/Paz and a slew of LHW with inflated records whose peak was getting whipped by RJJ

There is a valid argument about RJJ being the more talented fighter, but you really can't compare the names on the records.