I saw someones list on here and Shane Mosley was on it but not Thomas Hearns. Shows me someone who has to be about 22 years old. It was on the page one
I saw someones list on here and Shane Mosley was on it but not Thomas Hearns. Shows me someone who has to be about 22 years old. It was on the page one
these lists are too subjective by who is rating them. Someone who puts Tito Trinidad in the top 20 has to not know about the 80s even. Tito was good but who did he beat to warrant top 20? Maurice Blocker and Fernando Vargas? And Delahoya is good but he lost to alot of the top guys. If you put Oscar in there, you have to put Thomas Hearns in there since Tommy beat better guys than Oscar ever did and at the weight and prime of his opponent.
I do not know whose list this is, but I like it the most. Seems most logical. I would rate Pernell and Chavez in there, but I would put Pernell about 10 and Hopkins about 17 and Chavez about 15... But this is a really good list whoever made it. Here is someone who is not just rating high his generation, he/she knows boxing.
1.Ray Robinson
2.Muhammed Ali
3.Ray Leonard
4.RJJ
5.Pernell Whitaker
6.Roberto Duran
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Julio Cesar Chavez
9.Joe Louis
10.Bernard Hopkins
11.Archie Moore
12.Alexis Arguello
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Benny Leonard
15.Carlos Monzon
16.Gene Tunney
17.Evander Holyfield
18.Tommy Hearns
19.Ricardo Lopez
20.Oscar Delahoya
another good one is this one by Biceberg. Good list.. I gave you a cool click whatever that will help you, great job.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Joe Louis
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Muhammed Ali
6. Floyd Maywether Jr.
7. Archie Moore
8. Willie Pep
9. Julio Ceasar Chavez
10. Rocky Marciano
11. George Foreman
12. Oscar De Lahoya
13. Marvin Hagler
14. Jack Dempsey
15. Roberto Duran
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mike Tyson
18. Larry Holmes
19. Thomas Hearns
20. Evander Holyfield
never mind was going say wheres henry armstrong and willie pep but you done 2 lsits
ok im shite at making list but ill try do one in order and i havent seen alot of fighters because was too young but here i go ill have a shot
1 srr
2 henry armstrong
3 muhammad ali
4 willie pep
5 joe louis
6 archie moore
7 jimmy wilde
8 roberto duran
9 julio cesar chavez
10 rocky marciano
11 carlos monzon
12 pernell whitaker
13 marvin hagler
14 george foreman
15 benny leonard
16 larry holmes
17 salvador sanchez sorry had to have him in
18 ricardo lopez
19 thomas hearns
20 roy jones
with mike tyson just missing list
i know this list prolly sucks but i tried folks ;)
can anyone tell me if my list is any good it prolly sucks just want some of you knowledgeable posters to tell me whats wrong with my list and what needs changing cheers
All list are subjective but that's a fine list. Good call on Jimmy Wilde. If I would change anything...well there are a lot of heavyweights in there and while that in itself isn't a bad thing, Holmes, Foreman and Marciano seem a little out of place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I'll hold off on Holmes because I haven't seen enough of him.
But Foreman might be up there had he beaten Ali but he didn't and not only did he lose, he retired. Wins over Frazier, Young, Lyle and Cooney are great but I wouldn't put him in the top 20. He just didn't do enough then when he came back, well he performed valiantly against Holyfield and of course he KO'd Moorer but I don't think he did enough to be ranked that high. Maybe if he had continued on after Ali but the fact that he didn't hurts him when putting him up there imo. Especially against some of the more accomplished guys at the lower weights.
Recently I have come around big time on Marciano. Great fighter. Unspeakable toughness but again in terms of accomplishments he's lacking a bit. He went 49-0 but it's interesting when you look at the record.
To get to 49-0, he fought 41 nontitle bouts. In those 41 title bouts, he spent 36 without breaking out of Rhode Island. The only fight he had of any real merit was a controversial split decision against Roland LaStarza. In his 36th bout, he fought a guy who was something like 10-15. And if you look, most of his first 40 wins are against guys with just atrocious records. And most are in Rhode Island.
He beat a very good Harry Matthews to get a shot at the title then beat Walcott in a thriller. He rematched Walcott and blew him out. Walcott was old and completely wrecked after the first fight. He rightfully rematched LaStarza and won. It was a nice victory. Actually a very good fight, unfortunately it's an extremely rare fight. He then fought Charles and won pretty comfortably but rematched him even though he really didn't have to and the two had a great fight. Then he fought somebody (don't know who and boxrec isn't loading for me) at Kezar stadium (grandpa attended that fight). Then he fought Moore who was making the leap for the first time to HW.
Good resume. But still, only 7 title defenses and really only a handful of solid wins. Don't think he's quite that high.
CC in 24 though. Good list and I found a lot less problem in yours then I did mine. Bold putting Henry Armstrong ahead of Ali but I guess it's impossible to dominate boxing more then Armstrong did so I couldn't possibly get on you for that even if I disagree.
good statement i dunno i always liked foreman always rated him maybe he is a tad high but beating fraizer twice like he did was damn impressive but your prolly right he is too high holmes is one of my favourite fighters if he would of beat spinks like i think he derserved to i would of put him higher than marciano its shame he didnt and he is one of most underrated champions i think marciano what can i say i love the guy he reminds me of rocky balboa his underfeated record is appealing but looking back it wasnt strongest era but that wasnt his fault he didnt duck anybody which i admired but like i said thanks for your reply good statement and cc back in 24Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Yeah I have really come around on Marciano. I never saw the clamor about him until I watched the second Charles fight and the first Walcott fight. He is like Rocky, he'll take 5 punches just to give 1 back. And in the second Charles fight, even with the poor quality film, his nose was moving everytime he breathed and he still won the fight. Unbelievable heart and thoroughly discusting.
Once I get faster internet I'm downloading a bunch of Holmes. I feel I know my heavyweight history fairly good but that post Ali - Pre Tyson era, I'm really lacking. And that's because I haven't seen enough of Larry Holmes.
i have larry holmes whole career set like 30+ of his fights if you want any fights or ect let me knowQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Ice Cold. I like your list. I am not good at lists but yours looks good to me. I think you can pretty much rate the decades and then add them into a full list, but to compare Chavez to Louis is always hard
thanks mate glad you liked it i tried my best mate thats all i can say i thought no one would like it so thats bonus i struggled with last few like who should be 20 b hop or jones i chose jones because he was multi weight champion but i tell you last few were extremely hard 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
I agree. I like my top 10 pretty much the way it is but past that there is a multitude of problems. CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by amat