Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1
there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton
they say norton should of won 2 out of 3
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1
there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton
they say norton should of won 2 out of 3
Norton says he won all 3. And Jake LaMotta says he won 3 out of 6 with Robinson.
Every "perfect" boxer has that thorn of a fighter that makes them look human.
Some are lucky and avoid them or never have the chance to fight them. IMO.
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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ali was the greatest-he could beat all the rest of the greats--made good fighters look bad, just 2 good --the perfect boxer if there ever was 1
there was however 1 boxer he could not beat convincinly---ken norton
they say norton should of won 2 out of 3
Norton says he won all 3. And Jake LaMotta says he won 3 out of 6 with Robinson.
Every "perfect" boxer has that thorn of a fighter that makes them look human.
Some are lucky and avoid them or never have the chance to fight them. IMO.
he wernt perfect great fighter but not perfect i see norton vs ali 1 recently and was suprised how norton outjabbed him quite badly
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........
I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........
I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.
u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........
I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.
u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali
Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?
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Ali would have whooped Tyson so bad that Tyson would have lost his lisp, so you're just rambling on about retarded shit, ok buddy ;)
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........
I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.
u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali
Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?
agreed i just think holmes is forgotten for how much skills he actually had he reminded me bit of ali im not saying holmes can compete with ali in things he done but surely there isnt much between them in there skills ??
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........
I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.
u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali
Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?
agreed i just think holmes is forgotten for how much skills he actually had he reminded me bit of ali im not saying holmes can compete with ali in things he done but surely there isnt much between them in there skills ??
I think you're right - Holmes has been almost criminally underrated. His crime was following a dominant all time great. He is Ezzard Charles and Gene Tunney all over again (they were underrated, and still are, having followed Louis and Dempsey)
Holmes would have given any heavyweight in history a damn good fight in his prime, and not at long odds either.
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Originally Posted by X
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
....Name one fighter....Make that Athlete to even compare to him all around...Not in one aspect but the whole package!!!!!!........
I agree with you, he is definitely the athlete/personality of the 20th century. The only person who I think can come close in terms of recognition and supremacy within their sport is Pele - but he did not become the social symbol that Ali (maybe not wholly intentionally) became.
u mean in skills ?? then i pick larry holmes both similar both quick both had good right hands both had good footwork both had granite chins and my opinion anyway i think holmes had better jab than ali
Yeah, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but I think the guy who comes first gets much more credit (maybe as Holmes stylistically had some things in common with a mid-career Ali, he was written off unfairly as a clone or carbon-copy). Ali broke the mold for a heavyweight fighter, in the way he fought as well as the way he conducted himself.Also, I suppose, many of Homes' defences were for alphabet belts while Ali defended the WORLD title. Not entirely Holmes' fault, but it is still the way that it is?
agreed i just think holmes is forgotten for how much skills he actually had he reminded me bit of ali im not saying holmes can compete with ali in things he done but surely there isnt much between them in there skills ??
I think you're right - Holmes has been almost criminally underrated. His crime was following a dominant all time great. He is Ezzard Charles and Gene Tunney all over again (they were underrated, and still are, having followed Louis and Dempsey)
Holmes would have given any heavyweight in history a damn good fight in his prime, and not at long odds either.
agreed
Re: MUHAMMAD ALI WAS NOT THE GREATEST
Ali is the Greatest heavyweight ever IN the ring because he was suposedly suposed to have no chance to win against liston ...and TEN whole years later against Foreman who also was suposedly unbeatable...then held the titles for 4 years ...and he did what he did against joe frazier and every other top 10 heavyweight in the 15 years he fought ....
also hes the "Greatest " because before those "un-winnable" fights when experts expected him to get destroyed he told them hed win Because he the greatest ...he never had a loss that was not revenged twice untill he was 39 and had parkinsons
Also he was 1st to win the titles 3 times and was the best in the division at any given time between 1963-1977
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Ali was one of the most elegant ive ever watched....
but all the fighters of that era didnt hardly even lift weights or anything, they look like average joes.
put a body building regimin on ali and bring him from the past till now, it would be murderous!!!!!!! O0
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I still am not convinvced that weight lifting improves a fighter that much. Basically, only the heavyweights can do it as everyone else is battling the scales.
I still think that a bulked up, muscley Holyfield was less strong than Sonny Liston for example, despite all the woeightlifting
