Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
...NO WAY IN HELL HOLYFIELD STOPS VITALI!!!! Prime or anytime....Vitali AT LEAST goes the distance with Holyfield
...Wladimir is being trained by Manny Steward, Vitali was the one who fought Lennox Lewis! Your credibility just got all kinds of shot up
Agreed...on all points stated.
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Well ONE of the reasons Marciano beats Tyson is that Tyson beats 0 all-time great heavyweights.
Not ANY of these
Ali
Marciano
Louis
Liston
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Frazier
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Walcott
Charles
Holmes
But that is another discussion for another day
you have no fuking idea what ur talking about!! pleazze,marciano would be a light heavy by todays standards,he was way to small at 5`10 and 186 lbs, even tyson had an inch on him +an extra 30 odd lbs...tyson would kill him! as for the rest of ur list,prime tyson would beat all of them..not all by ko but young tyson had tones of stamina,hed go the distance under rooney no worries at all!
right young larry holmes is one of best technical fighters ive seen since ali prime holmes creams tyson riddick bowe great talent the one in 1992 beats tyson ill do list for u
ali= the greatest certainly beats tyson
marciano= this man could take a punch and had tons of heart marciano gets dropped early by rallys late to stop tyson
louis= same as marciano keeps dropped early but his masterful jab and skills pick tyson a part by late stoppage
liston= great jab great power bullys tyson like holyfield did and stops him
dempsey= im not sure about this one
jack johnson= great technical abilitys he could very well ud tyson if we are talking 12 round
foreman= it would be like foreman vs fraizer tyson gets koed in 4 or 3
fraizer= i see this being slugfest with fraizer getting dropped but comesback weathers tysons storm and stops him
lewis= prime lewis 70-30 i see getting ud but lewis chin was suspect i see ud for lewis unless tyson gets him similar way to oliver mccall did
bowe= this guy was great one of best hws ive ever seen he would bully tyson with his extra weight and he would take his punches to stop tyson late
holyfield= umm this is tough one i see holyfield taking tysons punches but i think it would go the distance close decision for someone cant decide but both me would be dropped en route to a decision
walcott= i see tyson koing him
charles= ko for tyson
holmes= best jab ever in hw history great speed footwork holmes would be dropped round about 6 but would comeback and earn ud
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by plinden
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Originally Posted by Lyle
OK first off if Vitali got "stopped by Johnson" it was by the ref and I think Kirk was happy about it judging by how bad he got whupped on.
Vitali was a very good fighter whom obviously had to fight to get big fights...who would want to fight a 6'8 250 pound guy who was very athletic, had a GREAT chin and KO'd all but 1 of the guys he beat....one of the best KO ratios ever...I don't care who you say he fought it was just as good as who Tyson fought before he really stepped it up and Vitali did a better job of knocking them out.
I'm not saying Vitali is THE GREATEST or a GREAT (because he didn't stay at the top long enough) but he was a VERY GOOD heavyweight and his style, size, and power matches up good against ANYONE in the history of the sport!
If I'm in a fight, I want Vitali in my corner
I think we can say more. Henry Cooper was 183 pounds. He knocked down Ali in the 3rd, and the fight was stopped on a cut, poor henry. Vitaly klitschko weighs 250+, 6.8. and has a good defence in his stepping back shoulder up, ready to counter. I just dont think Cooper giving away 70 pounds, would be a match for VK, but he was for ALi. Just an examlpe of the fact that Ali had to work against almost always smaller opponents. If not VK w KO ali then a points win because of the straight jabs.
Cooper knocked Ali down in the 3rd!? Ali wasn't floored until his first fight with frazier ???
As well as Cooper, I think Doug JOnes dropped Clay in an early bout (with a left hook!)
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
6'8 vs 5'11 yeah sounds pretty lob sided but i still say marciano could've beaten any fighter from anytime period in the heavyweight division (hell any division for that matter). Marciano throws some bombs and tires out vitali's arms just like he did everyone elses leaving vitali open to a few good shots that floor him. Max Baer/Primo Carnera style except vitali's chin is better and he's taller.
Got to disagree, VK kills Marciano.
You are insane. Marciano would whup up on VK. The Klitschkos are not good under pressure; you have to bring the fight to them. Thats why Lewis did shitty when he was boxing him and did way better after he brought the fight to him. That was what Marciano DID. He was way smaller but i believe he was still stronger. We are talking about one of the toughest heavyweight champs of all time guys, he would murder the Klitschkos and Tyson too. Holyfield would beat both Klitschkos on points in his prime. He might KO WK. Foreman would KO them both. Cold.
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
The Wlad is very overrated...However in this weak ass division glass does look like Diamonds, until you get up close. Holyfield 2007 ;) ;)
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
6'8 vs 5'11 yeah sounds pretty lob sided but i still say marciano could've beaten any fighter from anytime period in the heavyweight division (hell any division for that matter). Marciano throws some bombs and tires out vitali's arms just like he did everyone elses leaving vitali open to a few good shots that floor him. Max Baer/Primo Carnera style except vitali's chin is better and he's taller.
Got to disagree, VK kills Marciano.
You are insane. Marciano would whup up on VK. The Klitschkos are not good under pressure; you have to bring the fight to them. Thats why Lewis did shitty when he was boxing him and did way better after he brought the fight to him. That was what Marciano DID. He was way smaller but i believe he was still stronger. We are talking about one of the toughest heavyweight champs of all time guys, he would murder the Klitschkos and Tyson too. Holyfield would beat both Klitschkos on points in his prime. He might KO WK. Foreman would KO them both. Cold.
Im insane? Well most likely yes,but "Marciano would whup up on VK"?
Come on man! 6'8" 250 vs 5'11 190?? I know a lot of people love Rocky but there is simply noway he could "whup up on VK". No way...
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
6'8 vs 5'11 yeah sounds pretty lob sided but i still say marciano could've beaten any fighter from anytime period in the heavyweight division (hell any division for that matter). Marciano throws some bombs and tires out vitali's arms just like he did everyone elses leaving vitali open to a few good shots that floor him. Max Baer/Primo Carnera style except vitali's chin is better and he's taller.
Got to disagree, VK kills Marciano.
You are insane. Marciano would whup up on VK. The Klitschkos are not good under pressure; you have to bring the fight to them. Thats why Lewis did shitty when he was boxing him and did way better after he brought the fight to him. That was what Marciano DID. He was way smaller but i believe he was still stronger. We are talking about one of the toughest heavyweight champs of all time guys, he would murder the Klitschkos and Tyson too. Holyfield would beat both Klitschkos on points in his prime. He might KO WK. Foreman would KO them both. Cold.
Im insane? Well most likely yes,but "Marciano would whup up on VK"?
Come on man! 6'8" 250 vs 5'11 190?? I know a lot of people love Rocky but there is simply noway he could "whup up on VK". No way...
Ok no offense at all meant by the insane comment but yeah, I think Marciano would keep coming at him, walk him down and break him down. It would be a lot like the fight in Rocky IV but not as close. Marciano was close to superhuman. There is good reason why he is held in the regards that he is. We are talking about a heavyweight legend who fought other legends and beat them all. Some real, real, real bad. Be interesting to see, but i think he would go right through VK after about eight or nine rounds. I dont think Klitschko could hold that animal off.
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
6'8 vs 5'11 yeah sounds pretty lob sided but i still say marciano could've beaten any fighter from anytime period in the heavyweight division (hell any division for that matter). Marciano throws some bombs and tires out vitali's arms just like he did everyone elses leaving vitali open to a few good shots that floor him. Max Baer/Primo Carnera style except vitali's chin is better and he's taller.
Got to disagree, VK kills Marciano.
You are insane. Marciano would whup up on VK. The Klitschkos are not good under pressure; you have to bring the fight to them. Thats why Lewis did shitty when he was boxing him and did way better after he brought the fight to him. That was what Marciano DID. He was way smaller but i believe he was still stronger. We are talking about one of the toughest heavyweight champs of all time guys, he would murder the Klitschkos and Tyson too. Holyfield would beat both Klitschkos on points in his prime. He might KO WK. Foreman would KO them both. Cold.
Im insane? Well most likely yes,but "Marciano would whup up on VK"?
Come on man! 6'8" 250 vs 5'11 190?? I know a lot of people love Rocky but there is simply noway he could "whup up on VK". No way...
Ok no offense at all meant by the insane comment but yeah, I think Marciano would keep coming at him, walk him down and break him down. It would be a lot like the fight in Rocky IV but not as close. Marciano was close to superhuman. There is good reason why he is held in the regards that he is. We are talking about a heavyweight legend who fought other legends and beat them all. Some real, real, real bad. Be interesting to see, but i think he would go right through VK after about eight or nine rounds. I dont think Klitschko could hold that animal off.
No offense taken. I just feel it would be impossible for this to happen. Think about it like this: could a NFL super bowl champ team from the 50's beat a super bowl champ team from the '00s? No. The guys now are bigger,faster and the game has changed.
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
Yes but the reason the guys are bigger and stronger are 2 fold
#1 improved healthcare
#2 advances in science (weight training, supplements, etc)
get a Rocky Marciano clone and he'll be 6'1-6'2 and about 220-230 (just a guess)
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Well ONE of the reasons Marciano beats Tyson is that Tyson beats 0 all-time great heavyweights.
Not ANY of these
Ali
Marciano
Louis
Liston
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Frazier
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Walcott
Charles
Holmes
But that is another discussion for another day
you have no fuking idea what ur talking about!! pleazze,marciano would be a light heavy by todays standards,he was way to small at 5`10 and 186 lbs, even tyson had an inch on him +an extra 30 odd lbs...tyson would kill him! as for the rest of ur list,prime tyson would beat all of them..not all by ko but young tyson had tones of stamina,hed go the distance under rooney no worries at all!
right young larry holmes is one of best technical fighters ive seen since ali prime holmes creams tyson riddick bowe great talent the one in 1992 beats tyson ill do list for u
ali= the greatest certainly beats tyson
marciano= this man could take a punch and had tons of heart marciano gets dropped early by rallys late to stop tyson
louis= same as marciano keeps dropped early but his masterful jab and skills pick tyson a part by late stoppage
liston= great jab great power bullys tyson like holyfield did and stops him
dempsey= im not sure about this one
jack johnson= great technical abilitys he could very well ud tyson if we are talking 12 round
foreman= it would be like foreman vs fraizer tyson gets koed in 4 or 3
fraizer= i see this being slugfest with fraizer getting dropped but comesback weathers tysons storm and stops him
lewis= prime lewis 70-30 i see getting ud but lewis chin was suspect i see ud for lewis unless tyson gets him similar way to oliver mccall did
bowe= this guy was great one of best hws ive ever seen he would bully tyson with his extra weight and he would take his punches to stop tyson late
holyfield= umm this is tough one i see holyfield taking tysons punches but i think it would go the distance close decision for someone cant decide but both me would be dropped en route to a decision
walcott= i see tyson koing him
charles= ko for tyson
holmes= best jab ever in hw history great speed footwork holmes would be dropped round about 6 but would comeback and earn ud
SO WALCOTT AND CHARLIE BOY ARE THE ONLY FIGHTERS ON UR PAST LIST THAT TYSON BEATS?HA HA HA HA.......HA HA HA....... :LMAO: :lol: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:....ICE COLD U AND LYLE ARE MAKING ME SICK! :throwup:...
....PRIME TYSON WAS SO GOOD BABY!..HED WHOOP ALL THERE ASSES,GEATEST OF ALL TIME IN HIS PRIME,,.....THATS RIGHT U HEARD ME GREATEST OF ALL TIME HED BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF ALI AND ANY OTHER PAST GREAT....I MEAN I LOVE DEMPSEY ,BUT TYSON WOULD BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF HIM TO...
..........U ALL KNOW THIS SO WHY DENY AND QUESTION HIS SUPREME GREATNESS.....SHAME ON U ALL ,THATS BLASFOMY AND U ARE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR IT!!!
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Well ONE of the reasons Marciano beats Tyson is that Tyson beats 0 all-time great heavyweights.
Not ANY of these
Ali
Marciano
Louis
Liston
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Frazier
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Walcott
Charles
Holmes
But that is another discussion for another day
you have no fuking idea what ur talking about!! pleazze,marciano would be a light heavy by todays standards,he was way to small at 5`10 and 186 lbs, even tyson had an inch on him +an extra 30 odd lbs...tyson would kill him! as for the rest of ur list,prime tyson would beat all of them..not all by ko but young tyson had tones of stamina,hed go the distance under rooney no worries at all!
right young larry holmes is one of best technical fighters ive seen since ali prime holmes creams tyson riddick bowe great talent the one in 1992 beats tyson ill do list for u
ali= the greatest certainly beats tyson
marciano= this man could take a punch and had tons of heart marciano gets dropped early by rallys late to stop tyson
louis= same as marciano keeps dropped early but his masterful jab and skills pick tyson a part by late stoppage
liston= great jab great power bullys tyson like holyfield did and stops him
dempsey= im not sure about this one
jack johnson= great technical abilitys he could very well ud tyson if we are talking 12 round
foreman= it would be like foreman vs fraizer tyson gets koed in 4 or 3
fraizer= i see this being slugfest with fraizer getting dropped but comesback weathers tysons storm and stops him
lewis= prime lewis 70-30 i see getting ud but lewis chin was suspect i see ud for lewis unless tyson gets him similar way to oliver mccall did
bowe= this guy was great one of best hws ive ever seen he would bully tyson with his extra weight and he would take his punches to stop tyson late
holyfield= umm this is tough one i see holyfield taking tysons punches but i think it would go the distance close decision for someone cant decide but both me would be dropped en route to a decision
walcott= i see tyson koing him
charles= ko for tyson
holmes= best jab ever in hw history great speed footwork holmes would be dropped round about 6 but would comeback and earn ud
SO WALCOTT AND CHARLIE BOY ARE THE ONLY FIGHTERS ON UR PAST LIST THAT TYSON BEATS?HA HA HA HA.......HA HA HA....... :LMAO: :lol: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:....ICE COLD U AND LYLE ARE MAKING ME SICK! :throwup:...
....PRIME TYSON WAS SO GOOD BABY!..HED WHOOP ALL THERE ASSES,GEATEST OF ALL TIME IN HIS PRIME,,.....THATS RIGHT U HEARD ME  GREATEST OF ALL TIME HED BEAT THE S*** OUT OF ALI AND ANY OTHER PAST GREAT....I MEAN I LOVE DEMPSEY ,BUT TYSON WOULD BEAT THE S*** OUT OF HIM TO...
..........U ALL KNOW THIS SO WHY DENY AND QUESTION HIS SUPREME GREATNESS.....SHAME ON U ALL ,THATS BLASFOMY AND U ARE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR IT!!!
and u make me sick with all this prime tyson its all bs get over it he got beat by buster douglas got exposed i never thought tyson was that good yea u heard me i knew he would get exposed and he was tony tucker won 4 rounds james tillis give him hell and that was in his so called *unbeatable prime* i think its stupid to be honest he is well overrated
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
im going a bed now we will discuss this later ;D
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by stavros693000
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Well ONE of the reasons Marciano beats Tyson is that Tyson beats 0 all-time great heavyweights.
Not ANY of these
Ali
Marciano
Louis
Liston
Dempsey
Johnson
Foreman
Frazier
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Walcott
Charles
Holmes
But that is another discussion for another day
you have no fuking idea what ur talking about!! pleazze,marciano would be a light heavy by todays standards,he was way to small at 5`10 and 186 lbs, even tyson had an inch on him +an extra 30 odd lbs...tyson would kill him! as for the rest of ur list,prime tyson would beat all of them..not all by ko but young tyson had tones of stamina,hed go the distance under rooney no worries at all!
right young larry holmes is one of best technical fighters ive seen since ali prime holmes creams tyson riddick bowe great talent the one in 1992 beats tyson ill do list for u
ali= the greatest certainly beats tyson
marciano= this man could take a punch and had tons of heart marciano gets dropped early by rallys late to stop tyson
louis= same as marciano keeps dropped early but his masterful jab and skills pick tyson a part by late stoppage
liston= great jab great power bullys tyson like holyfield did and stops him
dempsey= im not sure about this one
jack johnson= great technical abilitys he could very well ud tyson if we are talking 12 round
foreman= it would be like foreman vs fraizer tyson gets koed in 4 or 3
fraizer= i see this being slugfest with fraizer getting dropped but comesback weathers tysons storm and stops him
lewis= prime lewis 70-30 i see getting ud but lewis chin was suspect i see ud for lewis unless tyson gets him similar way to oliver mccall did
bowe= this guy was great one of best hws ive ever seen he would bully tyson with his extra weight and he would take his punches to stop tyson late
holyfield= umm this is tough one i see holyfield taking tysons punches but i think it would go the distance close decision for someone cant decide but both me would be dropped en route to a decision
walcott= i see tyson koing him
charles= ko for tyson
holmes= best jab ever in hw history great speed footwork holmes would be dropped round about 6 but would comeback and earn ud
SO WALCOTT AND CHARLIE BOY ARE THE ONLY FIGHTERS ON UR PAST LIST THAT TYSON BEATS?HA HA HA HA.......HA HA HA....... :LMAO: :lol: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:....ICE COLD U AND LYLE ARE MAKING ME SICK! :throwup:...
....PRIME TYSON WAS SO GOOD BABY!..HED WHOOP ALL THERE ASSES,GEATEST OF ALL TIME IN HIS PRIME,,.....THATS RIGHT U HEARD ME GREATEST OF ALL TIME HED BEAT THE S*** OUT OF ALI AND ANY OTHER PAST GREAT....I MEAN I LOVE DEMPSEY ,BUT TYSON WOULD BEAT THE S*** OUT OF HIM TO...
..........U ALL KNOW THIS SO WHY DENY AND QUESTION HIS SUPREME GREATNESS.....SHAME ON U ALL ,THATS BLASFOMY AND U ARE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR IT!!!
and u make me sick with all this prime tyson its all bs get over it he got beat by buster douglas got exposed i never thought tyson was that good yea u heard me i knew he would get exposed and he was tony tucker won 4 rounds james tillis give him hell and that was in his so called *unbeatable prime* i think its stupid to be honest he is well overrated
what are u talking about,tyson chased tucker all around the ring 4 rounds to 8 he won easily!tyson was inexsperienced when he fought tillis and still won easily....was out of shape against douglas and lacking motivation and rooney and any boxing analist will say the same!and as for holy c`mon,after a 4 year lay off he was rusty!!
.....U KNOW HES GREAT JUST ADMIT IT!!
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
Re: vitali klitschko vs prime foreman + prime holy who wins ??
I'll post this again MIKE TYSON BEATS NO ALL-TIME GREATS you name them and he wouldn't beat them. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.
