Re: Is Roy Jones an all time great or just 1 of the best of his era???
Jones Jr is an all time great easily, When he was in his prime nobody could touch him. He just pisses me off here lately, Because he should go ahead an retire.
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Roy Jones is too boring to be an all time great. His fighting style puts me to sleep.
yeah he put 70 or 80 percent of his opponents to sleep too..
Yep. Hater forget something...Roy was a devastating power puncher.
Thomas Tate KO 2.
Merqui Sosa TKO 2.
Montell Griffin KO 1.
Nuff said. O0
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Roy Jones is too boring to be an all time great. His fighting style puts me to sleep.
yeah he put 70 or 80 percent of his opponents to sleep too..
Yep. Hater forget something...Roy was a devastating power puncher.
Thomas Tate KO 2.
Merqui Sosa TKO 2.
Montell Griffin KO 1.
Nuff said. O0
what u talking about HULK? i had Montell Griffin clearly winning the rematch by a mile! ;)
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he should have said to Calzaghe "listen I know you're scared to fight outside your back garden so I'll come to you and I don't need the money so I'll fight you for a reasonable sum" and that would have exposed Calzaghe to.
Wud of looked as big a fool as you then wudn't he? coz jones was offerd over 5 mill to fight calzaghe IN THE US
I think jones is in the top 10 or 15 greatest fighters ever, the guy done stuff in the ring, against good figters that you wudn't thinkpossible or most fighter even dare try. If he had retired after beating ruiz more people would consider him an ATG! but 'coz he lost a few (way past his prime!) he goes down a notch or two. Jones could of stayed in a talentless devision like hopkins did, unify it and beat up lower weight class fighters like hopkins did and make 20 title defenses, but he was champion in 4 weights, unifiying LH beating almost the best at every weight.
ruiz was pretty highly regarded at the time jones fought him - borring annoying, hated what ever but he was fairly highly regarded as a fighter. Eubank, didn't he make it clear he didn't want to fight Jones? not certain about been, and although i wud of loved to see jones fight calzaghe, i don't think joe was a big enough name then. Hbo were gunna try build calzaghe up to fight jones at some point, but after a bad scrappy lookin fight with reid 'coz of a broken hand they ditch that idea, joens was already a god at Lh and a 3 weight champ when warren was trying to get the fight done, but calzaghe held the WBO belt and wasn't to big a name outside of europe so what reason really was there for joens to fight him? not as i all the us were talking about how great clzaghe was and how good a fight it would be.
Not to many people know about the 5 million that was offered to Roy Jones for a fight with Calzaghe in the US, You are correct. It was offered. Jones declined it. Why did Jones decline it ? Because Calzaghe's had the F****** nerve to ask for 6 million. That's why. Calzcrappy was actually stupid enough to believe he was Jones equal. And since he was the one traveling, he felt he deserved the higher pay. I'm surprised Jones didn't pull a rib cage muscle laughing at his dumb a**. And you knows it's true. That's why you never mention the reason why Jones declined it when they asked you. Calzaghe never wanted the Jones fight. He made a stupid, unreasonable offer just to say he made an offer. Thing was it was such a foolish offer that nobody even acknowledged it. That's why you rarely hear about it. I'm surprise your were stupid enough to even bring it up. Damn, it's getting harder and harder to defend Calzcrappy, huh?
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Well said Voilent, please accept CC in 24 hours.
I couldn't understand how Preme was coming up with this stuff, and the guys coming on this forum and shouting abuse, when all were doing is stating opinion, I can't believe he had the nerve to to say he's gonna educate me, listen Preme, you may have posted alot more than me, but it's about quality not quantity, I've been on this forum alot longer than you and had the privillage to debate with the likes of Missy, BritKid and Purist to mention a few, these members had knowlege and I'd like to think I earned there respect aswell, but when you come on this well respected forum and start bad mouthing and talking rubbish, it doesn't bold well.
After reading Voilents post - I think it's safe to say that you are the one that's been well and trully EDUCATED!
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Roy Jones is too boring to be an all time great. His fighting style puts me to sleep.
yeah he put 70 or 80 percent of his opponents to sleep too..
Yep. Hater forget something...Roy was a devastating power puncher.
Thomas Tate KO 2.
Merqui Sosa TKO 2.
Montell Griffin KO 1.
Nuff said. O0
what u talking about HULK? i had Montell Griffin clearly winning the rematch by a mile! ;)
Yeah it was a close one huh? ;) In my book, Roy Jones KO'd Montell Griffin TWICE.
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Roy Jones is too boring to be an all time great. His fighting style puts me to sleep.
yeah he put 70 or 80 percent of his opponents to sleep too..
Yep. Hater forget something...Roy was a devastating power puncher.
Thomas Tate KO 2.
Merqui Sosa TKO 2.
Montell Griffin KO 1.
Nuff said. O0
what u talking about HULK? i had Montell Griffin clearly winning the rematch by a mile! ;)
Yeah it was a close one huh? ;) In my book, Roy Jones KO'd Montell Griffin TWICE.
i wish "RJ" would come out of RJJ more often than the Griffin rematch like as in the rematch with Tarver.
Re: Is Roy Jones an all time great or just 1 of the best of his era???
I rate Jones as 1 of the best fighters ever its just I have nagging doughts about his chin.I asked the question before,what hard puncher has he ever faced?
He avoided or did not fight for what ever reason the likes of Benn,McClean or even Julian Jackson.
I am not saying that I think they would beat Jones,its just they all would have been big fights so why did he not seem keen to make them happen instead of fighting some of they guys he did.
I ask again,"WHAT PUNCHER HAS JONES EVER FACED"?
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he should have said to Calzaghe "listen I know you're scared to fight outside your back garden so I'll come to you and I don't need the money so I'll fight you for a reasonable sum" and that would have exposed Calzaghe to.
Wud of looked as big a fool as you then wudn't he? coz jones was offerd over 5 mill to fight calzaghe IN THE US
I think jones is in the top 10 or 15 greatest fighters ever, the guy done stuff in the ring, against good figters that you wudn't thinkpossible or most fighter even dare try. If he had retired after beating ruiz more people would consider him an ATG! but 'coz he lost a few (way past his prime!) he goes down a notch or two. Jones could of stayed in a talentless devision like hopkins did, unify it and beat up lower weight class fighters like hopkins did and make 20 title defenses, but he was champion in 4 weights, unifiying LH beating almost the best at every weight.
ruiz was pretty highly regarded at the time jones fought him - borring annoying, hated what ever but he was fairly highly regarded as a fighter. Eubank, didn't he make it clear he didn't want to fight Jones? not certain about been, and although i wud of loved to see jones fight calzaghe, i don't think joe was a big enough name then. Hbo were gunna try build calzaghe up to fight jones at some point, but after a bad scrappy lookin fight with reid 'coz of a broken hand they ditch that idea, joens was already a god at Lh and a 3 weight champ when warren was trying to get the fight done, but calzaghe held the WBO belt and wasn't to big a name outside of europe so what reason really was there for joens to fight him? not as i all the us were talking about how great clzaghe was and how good a fight it would be.
Not to many people know about the 5 million that was offered to Roy Jones for a fight with Calzaghe in the US, You are correct. It was offered. Jones declined it. Why did Jones decline it ? Because Calzaghe's had the F****** nerve to ask for 6 million. That's why. Calzcrappy was actually stupid enough to believe he was Jones equal. And since he was the one traveling, he felt he deserved the higher pay. I'm surprised Jones didn't pull a rib cage muscle laughing at his dumb a**. And you knows it's true. That's why you never mention the reason why Jones declined it when they asked you. Calzaghe never wanted the Jones fight. He made a stupid, unreasonable offer just to say he made an offer. Thing was it was such a foolish offer that nobody even acknowledged it. That's why you rarely hear about it. I'm surprise your were stupid enough to even bring it up. Damn, it's getting harder and harder to defend Calzcrappy, huh?
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Well said Voilent, please accept CC in 24 hours.
I couldn't understand how Preme was coming up with this stuff, and the guys coming on this forum and shouting abuse, when all were doing is stating opinion, I can't believe he had the nerve to to say he's gonna educate me, listen Preme, you may have posted alot more than me, but it's about quality not quantity, I've been on this forum alot longer than you and had the privillage to debate with the likes of Missy, BritKid and Purist to mention a few, these members had knowlege and I'd like to think I earned there respect aswell, but when you come on this well respected forum and start bad mouthing and talking rubbish, it doesn't bold well.
After reading Voilents post - I think it's safe to say that you are the one that's been well and trully EDUCATED!
bad mouthing? you started talking the sh*t - as for Vd he knows well and truly the offer was made, there were links and articles posted here many times about that one and the hopkins one - don't try to hide behinde someone elses post and bring up names of missy and britkid 'coz they don't have a freaking thing to do with the discussion we had. You was way off the mark on half the things you said and got your panties in a bunch when corrected.
as for calzaghe wanting 6mill lol... if its true plz post a link; the talk of him not fighting jones and hopkins as been on ths forum for god knows how long, links and quotes of offers made to both sides from papers, promoters and whats not of been posted, but never once has anything been said about calzaghe wanting anywhere near 6million. Vd never misses a chance to take a shot at calzaghe, hatton benn or eubank to name a few, and honestly i would believe he would of brought this up along long time ago if he knew it or had a link to prove it.
It quite possibly could be right, but untill he can provide a link to a source that is some what respected, imo its just his usual bullsh*t
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he should have said to Calzaghe "listen I know you're scared to fight outside your back garden so I'll come to you and I don't need the money so I'll fight you for a reasonable sum" and that would have exposed Calzaghe to.
Wud of looked as big a fool as you then wudn't he? coz jones was offerd over 5 mill to fight calzaghe IN THE US
I think jones is in the top 10 or 15 greatest fighters ever, the guy done stuff in the ring, against good figters that you wudn't thinkpossible or most fighter even dare try. If he had retired after beating ruiz more people would consider him an ATG! but 'coz he lost a few (way past his prime!) he goes down a notch or two. Jones could of stayed in a talentless devision like hopkins did, unify it and beat up lower weight class fighters like hopkins did and make 20 title defenses, but he was champion in 4 weights, unifiying LH beating almost the best at every weight.
ruiz was pretty highly regarded at the time jones fought him - borring annoying, hated what ever but he was fairly highly regarded as a fighter. Eubank, didn't he make it clear he didn't want to fight Jones? not certain about been, and although i wud of loved to see jones fight calzaghe, i don't think joe was a big enough name then. Hbo were gunna try build calzaghe up to fight jones at some point, but after a bad scrappy lookin fight with reid 'coz of a broken hand they ditch that idea, joens was already a god at Lh and a 3 weight champ when warren was trying to get the fight done, but calzaghe held the WBO belt and wasn't to big a name outside of europe so what reason really was there for joens to fight him? not as i all the us were talking about how great clzaghe was and how good a fight it would be.
Not to many people know about the 5 million that was offered to Roy Jones for a fight with Calzaghe in the US, You are correct. It was offered. Jones declined it. Why did Jones decline it ? Because Calzaghe's had the F****** nerve to ask for 6 million. That's why. Calzcrappy was actually stupid enough to believe he was Jones equal. And since he was the one traveling, he felt he deserved the higher pay. I'm surprised Jones didn't pull a rib cage muscle laughing at his dumb a**. And you knows it's true. That's why you never mention the reason why Jones declined it when they asked you. Calzaghe never wanted the Jones fight. He made a stupid, unreasonable offer just to say he made an offer. Thing was it was such a foolish offer that nobody even acknowledged it. That's why you rarely hear about it. I'm surprise your were stupid enough to even bring it up. Damn, it's getting harder and harder to defend Calzcrappy, huh?
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Well said Voilent, please accept CC in 24 hours.
I couldn't understand how Preme was coming up with this stuff, and the guys coming on this forum and shouting abuse, when all were doing is stating opinion, I can't believe he had the nerve to to say he's gonna educate me, listen Preme, you may have posted alot more than me, but it's about quality not quantity, I've been on this forum alot longer than you and had the privillage to debate with the likes of Missy, BritKid and Purist to mention a few, these members had knowlege and I'd like to think I earned there respect aswell, but when you come on this well respected forum and start bad mouthing and talking rubbish, it doesn't bold well.
After reading Voilents post - I think it's safe to say that you are the one that's been well and trully EDUCATED!
bad mouthing? you started talking the sh*t - as for Vd he knows well and truly the offer was made, there were links and articles posted here many times about that one and the hopkins one - don't try to hide behinde someone elses post and bring up names of missy and britkid 'coz they don't have a freaking thing to do with the discussion we had. You was way off the mark on half the things you said and got your panties in a bunch when corrected.
as for calzaghe wanting 6mill lol... if its true plz post a link; the talk of him not fighting jones and hopkins as been on ths forum for god knows how long, links and quotes of offers made to both sides from papers, promoters and whats not of been posted, but never once has anything been said about calzaghe wanting anywhere near 6million. Vd never misses a chance to take a shot at calzaghe, hatton benn or eubank to name a few, and honestly i would believe he would of brought this up along long time ago if he knew it or had a link to prove it.
It quite possibly could be right, but untill he can provide a link to a source that is some what respected, imo its just his usual bullsh*t
First of all I don't need to hide behind anybody's post - never needed to never will.
You'll probably understand this better - you ain't corrected me on sh*t - you rate Ruiz highly then so be it, I'll understand from there your boxing knowledge hence you know fook all.
Let me clarify I rate Jones VERY highly see my other post - upto you to find it.
The other point Calzaghe - see links http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4861904.stm
http://www.britishboxing.net/news_19...s-example.html
I've got plenty more in my archive were that came from! ;)
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he should have said to Calzaghe "listen I know you're scared to fight outside your back garden so I'll come to you and I don't need the money so I'll fight you for a reasonable sum" and that would have exposed Calzaghe to.
Wud of looked as big a fool as you then wudn't he? coz jones was offerd over 5 mill to fight calzaghe IN THE US
I think jones is in the top 10 or 15 greatest fighters ever, the guy done stuff in the ring, against good figters that you wudn't thinkpossible or most fighter even dare try. If he had retired after beating ruiz more people would consider him an ATG! but 'coz he lost a few (way past his prime!) he goes down a notch or two. Jones could of stayed in a talentless devision like hopkins did, unify it and beat up lower weight class fighters like hopkins did and make 20 title defenses, but he was champion in 4 weights, unifiying LH beating almost the best at every weight.
ruiz was pretty highly regarded at the time jones fought him - borring annoying, hated what ever but he was fairly highly regarded as a fighter. Eubank, didn't he make it clear he didn't want to fight Jones? not certain about been, and although i wud of loved to see jones fight calzaghe, i don't think joe was a big enough name then. Hbo were gunna try build calzaghe up to fight jones at some point, but after a bad scrappy lookin fight with reid 'coz of a broken hand they ditch that idea, joens was already a god at Lh and a 3 weight champ when warren was trying to get the fight done, but calzaghe held the WBO belt and wasn't to big a name outside of europe so what reason really was there for joens to fight him? not as i all the us were talking about how great clzaghe was and how good a fight it would be.
Not to many people know about the 5 million that was offered to Roy Jones for a fight with Calzaghe in the US, You are correct. It was offered. Jones declined it. Why did Jones decline it ? Because Calzaghe's had the F****** nerve to ask for 6 million. That's why. Calzcrappy was actually stupid enough to believe he was Jones equal. And since he was the one traveling, he felt he deserved the higher pay. I'm surprised Jones didn't pull a rib cage muscle laughing at his dumb a**. And you knows it's true. That's why you never mention the reason why Jones declined it when they asked you. Calzaghe never wanted the Jones fight. He made a stupid, unreasonable offer just to say he made an offer. Thing was it was such a foolish offer that nobody even acknowledged it. That's why you rarely hear about it. I'm surprise your were stupid enough to even bring it up. Damn, it's getting harder and harder to defend Calzcrappy, huh?
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Well said Voilent, please accept CC in 24 hours.
I couldn't understand how Preme was coming up with this stuff, and the guys coming on this forum and shouting abuse, when all were doing is stating opinion, I can't believe he had the nerve to to say he's gonna educate me, listen Preme, you may have posted alot more than me, but it's about quality not quantity, I've been on this forum alot longer than you and had the privillage to debate with the likes of Missy, BritKid and Purist to mention a few, these members had knowlege and I'd like to think I earned there respect aswell, but when you come on this well respected forum and start bad mouthing and talking rubbish, it doesn't bold well.
After reading Voilents post - I think it's safe to say that you are the one that's been well and trully EDUCATED!
bad mouthing? you started talking the sh*t - as for Vd he knows well and truly the offer was made, there were links and articles posted here many times about that one and the hopkins one - don't try to hide behinde someone elses post and bring up names of missy and britkid 'coz they don't have a freaking thing to do with the discussion we had. You was way off the mark on half the things you said and got your panties in a bunch when corrected.
as for calzaghe wanting 6mill lol... if its true plz post a link; the talk of him not fighting jones and hopkins as been on ths forum for god knows how long, links and quotes of offers made to both sides from papers, promoters and whats not of been posted, but never once has anything been said about calzaghe wanting anywhere near 6million. Vd never misses a chance to take a shot at calzaghe, hatton benn or eubank to name a few, and honestly i would believe he would of brought this up along long time ago if he knew it or had a link to prove it.
It quite possibly could be right, but untill he can provide a link to a source that is some what respected, imo its just his usual bullsh*t
First of all I don't need to hide behind anybody's post - never needed to never will.
You'll probably understand this better - you ain't corrected me on sh*t - you rate Ruiz highly then so be it, I'll understand from there your boxing knowledge hence you know fook all.
Let me clarify I rate Jones VERY highly see my other post - upto you to find it.
The other point Calzaghe - see links
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4861904.stm
http://www.britishboxing.net/news_19...s-example.html
I've got plenty more in my archive were that came from! ;)
you dont read to well? i said when jones beat ruiz he was FAIRLY highly regerd at HW, thats not saying hes the top, or even second or third best, but he was up ther ein the top 5 or so hence FAIRLY HIGHLY
I never questiond on how high you rate jones, tbh i care everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
the two links you posted, both from 06 after the lacy beat down? we was talking about jones 5 years ago, and when there was an offer made then for him to fight calzaghe in the us, not when jones was washed up and spoke about coming to fight calzaghe or woods in the UK. coz if i remeber right, and things do get twiste di admit, i know calzaghe said somehting about liking to fight jones after the lacy beat down, but i remeber Jones wsaying he would like the fight and would be willing to come to the UK to fight calzaghe or woods. Like i said before, i don't really blame jones fo rnot fightng calzaghe back then, $5mil was a good offer for jones, but the name and belt of calzaghe then wasn't anything much for Jones at that point.
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still cant find the source ir ead before, onyl one s on bbc site are ones of talk of the fight taking place in wales
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/1305307.stm is just one
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i think jones is right up there with Ali the thing that jones is missing that ali had... is problems and contreversy outside the ring but jones played with guys we now considered one of the best amean im preety sure he fought guys who hit harder than tarver tarver jus came at the right time
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I rate Jones as 1 of the best fighters ever its just I have nagging doughts about his chin.I asked the question before,what hard puncher has he ever faced?
He avoided or did not fight for what ever reason the likes of Benn,McClean or even Julian Jackson.
I am not saying that I think they would beat Jones,its just they all would have been big fights so why did he not seem keen to make them happen instead of fighting some of they guys he did.
I ask again,"WHAT PUNCHER HAS JONES EVER FACED"?
Bernard Hopkins, James "Lights Out" Toney, Richard "Destroyer" Hall, and John Ruiz actually has KO'd a few legit HW's before, like Fres Oquendo, so theres 4 right there.
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I rate Jones as 1 of the best fighters ever its just I have nagging doughts about his chin.I asked the question before,what hard puncher has he ever faced?
He avoided or did not fight for what ever reason the likes of Benn,McClean or even Julian Jackson.
I am not saying that I think they would beat Jones,its just they all would have been big fights so why did he not seem keen to make them happen instead of fighting some of they guys he did.
I ask again,"WHAT PUNCHER HAS JONES EVER FACED"?
Bernard Hopkins, James "Lights Out" Toney, Richard "Destroyer" Hall, and John Ruiz actually has KO'd a few legit HW's before, like Fres Oquendo, so theres 4 right there.
Hopkins and Toney will go down as great boxers NOT PUNCHERS.
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he should have said to Calzaghe "listen I know you're scared to fight outside your back garden so I'll come to you and I don't need the money so I'll fight you for a reasonable sum" and that would have exposed Calzaghe to.
Wud of looked as big a fool as you then wudn't he? coz jones was offerd over 5 mill to fight calzaghe IN THE US
I think jones is in the top 10 or 15 greatest fighters ever, the guy done stuff in the ring, against good figters that you wudn't thinkpossible or most fighter even dare try. If he had retired after beating ruiz more people would consider him an ATG! but 'coz he lost a few (way past his prime!) he goes down a notch or two. Jones could of stayed in a talentless devision like hopkins did, unify it and beat up lower weight class fighters like hopkins did and make 20 title defenses, but he was champion in 4 weights, unifiying LH beating almost the best at every weight.
ruiz was pretty highly regarded at the time jones fought him - borring annoying, hated what ever but he was fairly highly regarded as a fighter. Eubank, didn't he make it clear he didn't want to fight Jones? not certain about been, and although i wud of loved to see jones fight calzaghe, i don't think joe was a big enough name then. Hbo were gunna try build calzaghe up to fight jones at some point, but after a bad scrappy lookin fight with reid 'coz of a broken hand they ditch that idea, joens was already a god at Lh and a 3 weight champ when warren was trying to get the fight done, but calzaghe held the WBO belt and wasn't to big a name outside of europe so what reason really was there for joens to fight him? not as i all the us were talking about how great clzaghe was and how good a fight it would be.
I was never awared Jones was offered 5 million. I would like to see proof, if there is any
