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El Gamo,
I'm starting to feel sick.... :throwup:
Can't belive the things I just read.....
Marquez a P4P fighter a natural Bantam has fought the best opposition available for him to face......
Nothing against Vic cause I think the guy is a fighter he'll stand there and trade and go toe to toe BUT I think at this time as of TODAY it's pretty safe to say that Marquez is the better fighter and would have his way with a much smaller less skilled fighter like Vic.....
No doubt Vic is accomplishing good things now as we speak but all you have to do is look at opposition and their skills and it's pretty easy to see the difference.... Vic still has some road to cover before we can have him beating one of the best P4P in the world.....
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El Gamo,
I'm starting to feel sick.... :throwup:
Can't belive the things I just read.....
Marquez a P4P fighter a natural Bantam has fought the best opposition available for him to face......
Nothing against Vic cause I think the guy is a fighter he'll stand there and trade and go toe to toe BUT I think at this time as of TODAY it's pretty safe to say that Marquez is the better fighter and would have his way with a much smaller less skilled fighter like Vic.....
No doubt Vic is accomplishing good things now as we speak but all you have to do is look at opposition and their skills and it's pretty easy to see the difference.... Vic still has some road to cover before we can have him beating one of the best P4P in the world.....
My GOSH,I know exxactly how you feel :-X :-\ ??? ::** ??? ::** We can't even say Vic is the best in his division conclusively,yet he can beat Rafa a few divisions up? Abso-fwocking-lutely ridiculous.
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Oh my gosh,people are actually thinking Vic can beat P4P top 4 Rafa Marquez? That is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever heard :-X ??? ::** . He fought one of the P4P hardest hitters in vAZquez and won. He's been in wars with much better fighters than Darchinyan. Where is the proof of his weak chin?
Look at his record 3 loses by K.O, sure his 1st was a stupid fight to take but the last to Garcia was in about his 24th fight. Apart from Austin & Johnson & now Vasquez his competition has never been against the top 2 or 3 guys in the division. I'm not saying Vic's has but Johnson was way past his best & thats a fact & Austin you could argue was stale from inactivity.
Marquez ain't #4 P4P in my book maybe yours, 7 is more like it for me. Give Darchinyan his chance to make a splash... hey if a guy with 3 k.o. loses on his record can make P4P theres a chance for Vic!!!
Theres no need to say something is dumb just because you disagree, you should be adult enough to respond without getting personal. Remember everyone has their own opinions!
Usually I would not label something dumb but when one is advocating an opinion based entirely on a fighters nationality,as many of you Darchinyan fans are, rather than actually looking at the skills of a fighter,that is exactly what it is....dumb.
Rafa has fought MUCH MUCH better competition than Vic,he's fought at least 6 ring top 10 fighters,beat 2 legends in Tim Austin and Mark Johnson,beat one of the top 3 fighters in the division,Silence Mabuza twice,went up and fought the champion and beat him too. You obviously have not seen that Rafa stoppage,he took a knee,and had a communication error with his corner,before he knew it,the ref had counted to 10.
Rafa has better technique than Vic,has fought much better fighters,better combinations,KO power in BOTH hands,is quicker,better defence,bigger,etc etc. So how exactly does Vic win?
Look at my points,logical,coherent,and I use evidence to support my points rather than Marquez has the perfect stlye for Vic to exploit.Where is the basis for a ridiculous statement like that?
Firstly I don't know why your using nationality, Vic fights out of Oz, I'm a kiwi. If you know anything about this side of the world you would know their is a huge rivalry between Kiwis & Aussies. So using nationality is out.
Mabuza was raked #5 both times Marquez fought him for the record. But I agree he is a top fighter! But as I said Austin was inactive & Johnson was over the hill.
I give credit to Marquez for defeating Vasquez who indeed was the 112 champion but in my opinion Vasquez was not the best fighter in the division. I'd rate that as Caballero before Marquez arrived. Another thing for the record out of Marquez' last 12 opponents 11 have been rated in the rings top 10. I love Rafael as a fighter & feel he is one of only a few guys out there that regularly fight the best competition.
I have seen the Garcia stoppage, & I'll admit Marquez did look pretty clear eyed but the fact of the matter is he did not take a knee for the fun of it... he looked hurt prior to that! Also take a look @ the Austin fight, to me it looked as if Marquez was on his way out before he landed that big shot in the 8th. I'm not saying Vic has the same skills as Austin but I feel he will be able to discourage him to the same extent.
I also saw Rafael struggle on numerous instances with Vargas who like Vic is a southpaw but doesn't hit anywhere as hard. I feel Marquez & Darchinyan would go at it toe to toe. I think Vic would land that big left on several occasions to both the body and head, I feel Vic would win the fight by wearing Rafael down & taking him out late.
P4P I feel Vic hits harder than Marquez & 10 pounds ain't gonna change that in my opinion.
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Vic has good power, but he's not a one punch knock out artist. Marquez is. Vic gets his knock outs by breaking his opponents down. Marquez can end it with one punch. For someone to say Vic is the harder hitter is foolish. Marquez has a higher knock out percentage rate. Plus he's shown his power has moved up in weight with him. Marquez can take Vic's punches. But there is no way Vic can take Marquez's punches.
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Vic has good power, but he's not a one punch knock out artist. Marquez is. Vic gets his knock outs by breaking his opponents down. Marquez can end it with one punch. For someone to say Vic is the harder hitter is foolish. Marquez has a higher knock out percentage rate. Plus he's shown his power has moved up in weight with him. Marquez can take Vic's punches. But there is no way Vic can take Marquez's punches.
I've seen no evidence that Vic can't take Marquez' power. But I have seen Marquez stunned numerous times by guys I feel hit softer than Darchinyan.
Between 118 & 112 theres only 6 pounds that's less than most babies there ain't much difference in their natural weights.
I feel Vic power will carry with him on the way up, I'll agree he hasn't scored many one punch knock outs but he seems to enjoy breaking opponents down. He'll throws a he'll of a lot of good shots to the body.
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Vic has good power, but he's not a one punch knock out artist. Marquez is. Vic gets his knock outs by breaking his opponents down. Marquez can end it with one punch. For someone to say Vic is the harder hitter is foolish. Marquez has a higher knock out percentage rate. Plus he's shown his power has moved up in weight with him. Marquez can take Vic's punches. But there is no way Vic can take Marquez's punches.
I've seen no evidence that Vic can't take Marquez' power. But I have seen Marquez stunned numerous times by guys I feel hit softer than Darchinyan.
Between 118 & 112 theres only 6 pounds that's less than most babies there ain't much difference in their natural weights.
I feel Vic power will carry with him on the way up, I'll agree he hasn't scored many one punch knock outs but he seems to enjoy breaking opponents down. He'll throws a he'll of a lot of good shots to the body.
Vic does throw a lot of good shots to the body. And he leaves that chin wide open. Marquez cracks him it's over. That simple.
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Vic has good power, but he's not a one punch knock out artist. Marquez is. Vic gets his knock outs by breaking his opponents down. Marquez can end it with one punch. For someone to say Vic is the harder hitter is foolish. Marquez has a higher knock out percentage rate. Plus he's shown his power has moved up in weight with him. Marquez can take Vic's punches. But there is no way Vic can take Marquez's punches.
I've seen no evidence that Vic can't take Marquez' power. But I have seen Marquez stunned numerous times by guys I feel hit softer than Darchinyan.
Between 118 & 112 theres only 6 pounds that's less than most babies there ain't much difference in their natural weights.
I feel Vic power will carry with him on the way up, I'll agree he hasn't scored many one punch knock outs but he seems to enjoy breaking opponents down. He'll throws a he'll of a lot of good shots to the body.
Vic does throw a lot of good shots to the body. And he leaves that chin wide open. Marquez cracks him it's over. That simple.
Yeah sweet bro, but thats the beauty of this game... anything can happen. I don't think it's as simple as that. Marquez ain't no defensive genius either! If Vic catches him he will also hurt Marquez IMO!
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Vic has good power, but he's not a one punch knock out artist. Marquez is. Vic gets his knock outs by breaking his opponents down. Marquez can end it with one punch. For someone to say Vic is the harder hitter is foolish. Marquez has a higher knock out percentage rate. Plus he's shown his power has moved up in weight with him. Marquez can take Vic's punches. But there is no way Vic can take Marquez's punches.
I've seen no evidence that Vic can't take Marquez' power. But I have seen Marquez stunned numerous times by guys I feel hit softer than Darchinyan.
Between 118 & 112 theres only 6 pounds that's less than most babies there ain't much difference in their natural weights.
I feel Vic power will carry with him on the way up, I'll agree he hasn't scored many one punch knock outs but he seems to enjoy breaking opponents down. He'll throws a he'll of a lot of good shots to the body.
Vic does throw a lot of good shots to the body. And he leaves that chin wide open. Marquez cracks him it's over. That simple.
Yeah sweet bro, but thats the beauty of this game... anything can happen. I don't think it's as simple as that. Marquez ain't no defensive genius either! If Vic catches him he will also hurt Marquez IMO!
I think Marquez will feel Vic's punches. But that's about it. If Austin and Vazquez who are harder hitters than Vic couldn't stop him. Than Vic can't either. And there's no doubt Marquez can stop Vic. Just look at his resume. Mark Johnson, Tim Austin, Mauricio Pastrana, Silence Mabuza, Heriberto Ruiz. All fighters who had never been stopped before until they ran into Marquez. Vic will suffer the same fate if he's foolish enough to get in the ring with Marquez.
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Vic has good power, but he's not a one punch knock out artist. Marquez is. Vic gets his knock outs by breaking his opponents down. Marquez can end it with one punch. For someone to say Vic is the harder hitter is foolish. Marquez has a higher knock out percentage rate. Plus he's shown his power has moved up in weight with him. Marquez can take Vic's punches. But there is no way Vic can take Marquez's punches.
I've seen no evidence that Vic can't take Marquez' power. But I have seen Marquez stunned numerous times by guys I feel hit softer than Darchinyan.
Between 118 & 112 theres only 6 pounds that's less than most babies there ain't much difference in their natural weights.
I feel Vic power will carry with him on the way up, I'll agree he hasn't scored many one punch knock outs but he seems to enjoy breaking opponents down. He'll throws a he'll of a lot of good shots to the body.
Vic does throw a lot of good shots to the body. And he leaves that chin wide open. Marquez cracks him it's over. That simple.
Yeah sweet bro, but thats the beauty of this game... anything can happen. I don't think it's as simple as that. Marquez ain't no defensive genius either! If Vic catches him he will also hurt Marquez IMO!
I think Marquez will feel Vic's punches. But that's about it. If Austin and Vazquez who are harder hitters than Vic couldn't stop him. Than Vic can't either. And there's no doubt Marquez can stop Vic. Just look at his resume. Mark Johnson, Tim Austin, Mauricio Pastrana, Silence Mabuza, Heriberto Ruiz. All fighters who had never been stopped before until they ran into Marquez. Vic will suffer the same fate if he's foolish enough to get in the ring with Marquez.
We'll have to agree to disagree my friend. I feel Austin also broke down fighters. Johnson was never a huge puncher in my eyes. The Ruiz ko was a beauty... anyone hit by that shot would have gone! I'll give you Pastrana (but was well past his best days) & Mabuza (still slightly green). But I think Vic would have taken out both as well!!!
Remember Johnson fought the majority of his career at 112 & would have beaten Marqeuz in the 1st had he not lost points for holding. I know Johnson was more skilled technically than Darchinyan but I think Vic's power evens things out.
This would definitely be a fight I would be interested in seeing.
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Just a sec...........
Wasn't this about Arce v Vic??
But keep it up i'm enjoying this one. It seems that there is quite a lot of interest in who Vic can compete with. Let's hope some of these match up's actually occur.
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Johnson was fortunate not to get DQ'd in their 1st meeting soo having the point dedcuction is the least he could have gotten.....
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Johnson was fortunate not to get DQ'd in their 1st meeting soo having the point dedcuction is the least he could have gotten.....
Oh I totally agree with you that points had to come off, but without the deductions Johnson would have won.
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Johnson was fortunate not to get DQ'd in their 1st meeting soo having the point dedcuction is the least he could have gotten.....
Oh I totally agree with you that points had to come off, but without the deductions Johnson would have won.
Things like that can be easily said, just as easy I can say that without Johnson holding on for dear life Marquez would have knocked him out...
But thats already going into IF's and But's and all that.....
