Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
Marquez missed with a lot of those shots?
Barrera didn't?
Look...the thing is...these are two of the best Supers & Super Feathers of the last 5 to 10 & they just gave us the best fight of the last year...what gives.
Barrera did not land the more effective punches...I totally disagree. Barrera was on queer street several times.
Everyone saw that.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Marquez missed with a lot of those shots?
Barrera didn't?
Look...the thing is...these are two of the best Supers & Super Feathers of the last 5 to 10 & they just gave us the best fight of the last year...what gives.
Barrera did not land the more effective punches...I totally disagree. Barrera was on queer street several times.
Everyone saw that.
Barrera blocked a lot of the shots. Yes, Barrera was on queer street several times throughout the fight, but so was Marquez. It was a very entertaining fight, but I think the best is yet to come. I saw a lot more leg buckling blows landed by Barrera than by Marquez. It's interesting food for thought, though. I'm going to watch the fight again and re-score it. I just don't think it will change my mind about the ultimate outcome. But I'm certainly up for another more objective viewing.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Since your on the topic of Barrera proponents making silly arguments, I'd love to hear your reasoning behind how you can justify a win for Marquez. If you had the fight going to Marquez by 1 or 2 rounds, it would be an exercise in futility to disagree with you unless we were both in the same room with scorecards and arguing the merits of our scoring after each round.
How did Marquez win? By landing the harder more effective punches in 8 or 9 rounds. He won by more than 1 or 2 rounds. I had it 8-4, 116-111 with the deduction. I could see 9-3 for Marquez before I saw 7-5 or a draw.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Since your on the topic of Barrera proponents making silly arguments, I'd love to hear your reasoning behind how you can justify a win for Marquez. If you had the fight going to Marquez by 1 or 2 rounds, it would be an exercise in futility to disagree with you unless we were both in the same room with scorecards and arguing the merits of our scoring after each round.
How did Marquez win? By landing the harder more effective punches in 8 or 9 rounds. He won by more than 1 or 2 rounds. I had it 8-4, 116-111 with the deduction. I could see 9-3 for Marquez before I saw 7-5 or a draw.
9-3 for Marquez??!! That's absolutely insane. I don't think that we watched the same fight. How long have you been watching boxing, Terp? Review the fight as I will and give me a second opinion. How did Marquez land "the harder more effective punches in 8 or 9 rounds" when he was wobbled on several occasions? Your analysis
just doesn't make any sense.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
9-3 for Marquez?!!!!!!!!! We must have been watching two completely different fights. Barrera deserved a draw at the VERY LEAST. And i have to agree with Shadow...except for the shaky 7th (before Marco KNOCKED HIM DOWN)...Barrera was landing harder punches...even his jab was busting up Marquez's face. Don't get me wrong...it was a hella of a fight and very close...and i have tremendous respect for Marquez. But both the judges and the referee shafted Marco.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by zhubin
9-3 for Marquez?!!!!!!!!! We must have been watching two completely different fights. Barrera deserved a draw at the VERY LEAST. And i have to agree with Shadow...except for the shaky 7th (before Marco KNOCKED HIM DOWN)...Barrera was landing harder punches...even his jab was busting up Marquez's face. Don't get me wrong...it was a hella of a fight and very close...and i have tremendous respect for Marquez. But both the judges and the referee shafted Marco.
Totally agree. It appears that we were watching the same fight ;)
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
I agree with the initial post but hey...How else would they build up a re-match??
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
i've only just seen the fight and definately dont think the fight should have been scored for marquez by that margin. but i think he was bossing the fight a bit more than barrera. and jay nady is a tosser. the knock down was genuine and jay nady should have been quick enough on the case to send barrera to a nuteral corner as soon as JMM went down. it was bulshit, barerra should have received a warning and the round should have been scored 10-8 to barrera.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
Marquez missed with a lot of those shots?
Barrera didn't?
Look...the thing is...these are two of the best Supers & Super Feathers of the last 5 to 10 &
they just gave us the best fight of the last year...what gives.
Barrera did not land the more effective punches...I totally disagree. Barrera was on queer street several times.
Everyone saw that.
Am i the only one who didn't think it was a great fight? It was a good fight but there wasn't so much action until the last 10 seconds of every round. It was an interesting and fight and it was very entertaining during the last 10 seconds of the rounds but overall i think it was just a good fight. I think Marquez just about did enough but the judges scores were very stupid. Jay Nady shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a boxing ring. If he can't spot a knockdown, how can he possibly spot when a fighter is badly hurt?
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by ono
Am i the only one who didn't think it was a great fight?
I agree with you that people seem to be overrating this fight. Don't get me wrong, this was a very very good fight between two incredibly skilled and tough fighters. Anyone who bought a ticket or ordered the PPV got their money's worth.
It will be a candidate for fight of the year, but it's definitely not one of the best fights ever.
Just among the featherweights this decade, I thought all of the following fights were better:
Morales-Barrera I
Morales-Barrera III
Marquez-Pacquiao
Morales- Pacquiao I
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
im not even biggest fan of barrera and i dont see how people are scoring it 9-3 and 116-111
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
disagree with that if i think mab deserved draw then why would i say marquez is the better man that would mean i would ignore my scores and just say marquez is better man anyway sorry wacko but i disagree
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
Marquez missed with alot of those shots. Look at the punch-stats and explain to me how you could give the fight to Marquez. Barrera clearly landed the more effective punches. ::**
Barrera landed about 7 more total punches and around 40 less power punches. How does that back up your claim that MAB won or landed the cleaner punches? You point out that Marquez misses alot yet punch-stats have him landing at a higher % than MAB.
If MAB won it would've been with the jab and ring generalship. Marquez was clearly the harder, sharper, more effective power-puncher.
why are you saying about 40 more power punches that marquez landed i explained this to you yesterday here ill copy and paste what i said
40 more power punches are mis leading and you know why ?? because marquez had two massive rounds in 7th he battered barrera and must of outlanded barrera by close to 30 power punches in that round then in another round he outlanded barrera by 10 power punches thats why thats misleading stat
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
disagree with that if i think mab deserved draw then why would i say marquez is the better man that would mean i would ignore my scores and just say marquez is better man anyway sorry wacko but i disagree
I agree with you icecold CC . Respected experts believe like I did that Barrera won the fight so just cuz our opinion clashes with Wackos doesnt mean we should admit Marquez is the better man cuz clearly from what we saw he wasnt .
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Marquez beat Barrera...it was a great fight...deal.
So Marquez's face was swollen & that is grounds that Barrera won?
Holy S***.
The judges were retarded with the margins...I'll give you that...but Barrera was frustrated by Marquez & Marquez backed Barrera up with some wicked combos while Barrera fired that jab off all night.
It was a great fight & the better man won. Whether your'e a fan of either man...a fan of boxing should be able to admit atleast that. ::**
disagree with that if i think mab deserved draw then why would i say marquez is the better man that would mean i would ignore my scores and just say marquez is better man anyway sorry wacko but i disagree
I agree with you icecold CC . Respected experts believe like I did that Barrera won the fight so just cuz our opinion clashes with Wackos doesnt mean we should admit Marquez is the better man cuz clearly from what we saw he wasnt .
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