Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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where talking prime vs prime and tysons prime, his absoloute peak was 1988. and that version off tyson would be a handfull for most. you know little in the fact that you think anyone whos not affraid and can take a punch will automatically kill tyson ::**
and i know u think tyson only ever beat bums ??? ....spinks, thomas, williams, berbick,tubbs,smith,biggs,and holmes were not bums and yeah holmes was 38 but he still had never been koed and was never koed after that but tyson knocked him out cold,something prime holyfield couldnt do to an even older version of holmes. and spinks was a natural light heavy but he would have givin holyfield a run for his money and he ko cooney who was twice his size . so it was a good win for tyson
Right i see you mentioned these names about 6 times today im going to tell you little fact
Spinks was natural Lightheavy only got title getting 2 gifts off a faded Holmes
Smith koed a Witherspoon who was having drug problems and bad dealings with King his head wasn't in the game in his prime he easily dealt with Smith
Pinklon Thomas had talent but he had just got out of rehab
Carl Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak
Berbick had been koed in 1 round before Tyson got to him and lost every round against Holmes
Tubbs had 2 weeks to prepare and was badly out of shape
Smith lol don't make me laugh he lost to Marvis Frazier
Biggs is like Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak and he never beat an elite fighter just like Williams
Holmes 38 2 weeks to train on losing streak and hadn't fought in nearly 2 years.
smith also murdered tim witherspoon.
you say carl's chin was so bad, but holmes couldnt put him away?
thomas had angelo dundee and was very good, but i didnt know he just got out of rehab. so ill take your word on that one.
and where do you get this 2 weeks crap from? acording to you all tyson opponents only get 2 weeks to train for a fight? ??? holmes and tubbs were givin sufficient time to train, they were just beaten by a better man who was in his prime!
and why do you discount spinks as just a light heavy? he was a good HW that could match it with the best.holmes had 30 rds to ko him and he couldnt!
you say tyson is overrated but you also think ALI is overrated?
just keepin it real mr icecold 8)
Holmes isn't a puncher just like Ali couldn't put Norton away he isn't puncher James Tillis decked Williams twice its well known Williams chin is like glass
And it isn't crap Tubbs said himself he had 2 weeks to train because he was a replacement i believe
And again with this Holmes couldn't ko Spinks firstly he was fading and was shot secondly it doesn't matter if he couldn't ko him he still won both fights to 98 percent of the public
Tyson is overrated Ali is a tad overrated but atleast he beat great fighters in there prime i never said Ali is overrated in his opponents i mean when people say he can beat anyone and thats ditto for Tyson except Ali beat great fighters Tyson didn't.
but if holmes was so shot for the spinks fight, how in the hell did he manage to fight on for another 20years. and give a prime evander loads of probs?
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by BIG H
Can't beleive we are back to this on 'Tucker won 4 rounds' chesnut. It would be a lame argumnent even if it wre true, because it would mean Tyson won 2/3 of the fight. The fact that makes if even more lame is that Tucker didn't win 4 rounds, he probably only won 2 and none of the judges gave Tucker 4 rounds. 2 Judges gave him two 10-9 rounds and the other judge gave him 3. ;)
Yes we are because if i use Douglas argument people say his prime was finished if i say Tillis gave Tyson all he could handle its Tyson hadn't reached his peak if i use Ruddock argument people say samething he was past it so what other argument can i use ?? i give up because theres always an excuse with Tyson and his struggles or losses.
And your not that much better BIG H with your Oliver and Rahman argument ;)
Get your facts str8 young un, I've never used that before, because I am a Lewis supporter ;)
Infact I usually defend those defeats as being due to him being unprepared ;)
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
I remember you saying it last time BIG H when i was on about Tucker then you said if Oliver and Rahman can do it so can Tyson :)
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
where talking prime vs prime and tysons prime, his absoloute peak was 1988. and that version off tyson would be a handfull for most. you know little in the fact that you think anyone whos not affraid and can take a punch will automatically kill tyson ::**
and i know u think tyson only ever beat bums ??? ....spinks, thomas, williams, berbick,tubbs,smith,biggs,and holmes were not bums and yeah holmes was 38 but he still had never been koed and was never koed after that but tyson knocked him out cold,something prime holyfield couldnt do to an even older version of holmes. and spinks was a natural light heavy but he would have givin holyfield a run for his money and he ko cooney who was twice his size . so it was a good win for tyson
Right i see you mentioned these names about 6 times today im going to tell you little fact
Spinks was natural Lightheavy only got title getting 2 gifts off a faded Holmes
Smith koed a Witherspoon who was having drug problems and bad dealings with King his head wasn't in the game in his prime he easily dealt with Smith
Pinklon Thomas had talent but he had just got out of rehab
Carl Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak
Berbick had been koed in 1 round before Tyson got to him and lost every round against Holmes
Tubbs had 2 weeks to prepare and was badly out of shape
Smith lol don't make me laugh he lost to Marvis Frazier
Biggs is like Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak and he never beat an elite fighter just like Williams
Holmes 38 2 weeks to train on losing streak and hadn't fought in nearly 2 years.
smith also murdered tim witherspoon.
you say carl's chin was so bad, but holmes couldnt put him away?
thomas had angelo dundee and was very good, but i didnt know he just got out of rehab. so ill take your word on that one.
and where do you get this 2 weeks crap from? acording to you all tyson opponents only get 2 weeks to train for a fight? ??? holmes and tubbs were givin sufficient time to train, they were just beaten by a better man who was in his prime!
and why do you discount spinks as just a light heavy? he was a good HW that could match it with the best.holmes had 30 rds to ko him and he couldnt!
you say tyson is overrated but you also think ALI is overrated?
just keepin it real mr icecold 8)
Holmes isn't a puncher just like Ali couldn't put Norton away he isn't puncher James Tillis decked Williams twice its well known Williams chin is like glass
And it isn't crap Tubbs said himself he had 2 weeks to train because he was a replacement i believe
And again with this Holmes couldn't ko Spinks firstly he was fading and was shot secondly it doesn't matter if he couldn't ko him he still won both fights to 98 percent of the public
Tyson is overrated Ali is a tad overrated but atleast he beat great fighters in there prime i never said Ali is overrated in his opponents i mean when people say he can beat anyone and thats ditto for Tyson except Ali beat great fighters Tyson didn't.
but if holmes was so shot for the spinks fight, how in the hell did he manage to fight on for another 20years. and give a prime evander loads of probs?
Because it was style makes fights ?? Foreman gave Holyfield troubles aswell and he was shot aswell ??
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I remember you saying it last time BIG H when i was on about Tucker then you said if Oliver and Rahman can do it so can Tyson :)
Liar Liar pants on fire ;D
Ner ner ner ner ner ner
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I remember you saying it last time BIG H when i was on about Tucker then you said if Oliver and Rahman can do it so can Tyson :)
Liar Liar pants on fire ;D
Ner ner ner ner ner ner
;D shame Miles ain't here BIG H we could have another 22 page debate ;)
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
Holmes lost 2 15 rounders to Spinks Spinks had a few fights at heavy so he were'nt just a lightheavy he hung around for abit Tyson demolished Holmes that had never happend to Holmes before and then he went on to have good fights with Holyfield and McCall and Tyson crushed Spinks in 91 seconds ;)
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I remember you saying it last time BIG H when i was on about Tucker then you said if Oliver and Rahman can do it so can Tyson :)
Liar Liar pants on fire ;D
Ner ner ner ner ner ner
;D shame Miles ain't here BIG H we could have another 22 page debate ;)
;D
Sad thing is Lewis is one of my favourite fighters of all time - and I think Tyson is a pr1ck ;)
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
where talking prime vs prime and tysons prime, his absoloute peak was 1988. and that version off tyson would be a handfull for most. you know little in the fact that you think anyone whos not affraid and can take a punch will automatically kill tyson ::**
and i know u think tyson only ever beat bums ??? ....spinks, thomas, williams, berbick,tubbs,smith,biggs,and holmes were not bums and yeah holmes was 38 but he still had never been koed and was never koed after that but tyson knocked him out cold,something prime holyfield couldnt do to an even older version of holmes. and spinks was a natural light heavy but he would have givin holyfield a run for his money and he ko cooney who was twice his size . so it was a good win for tyson
Right i see you mentioned these names about 6 times today im going to tell you little fact
Spinks was natural Lightheavy only got title getting 2 gifts off a faded Holmes
Smith koed a Witherspoon who was having drug problems and bad dealings with King his head wasn't in the game in his prime he easily dealt with Smith
Pinklon Thomas had talent but he had just got out of rehab
Carl Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak
Berbick had been koed in 1 round before Tyson got to him and lost every round against Holmes
Tubbs had 2 weeks to prepare and was badly out of shape
Smith lol don't make me laugh he lost to Marvis Frazier
Biggs is like Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak and he never beat an elite fighter just like Williams
Holmes 38 2 weeks to train on losing streak and hadn't fought in nearly 2 years.
smith also murdered tim witherspoon.
you say carl's chin was so bad, but holmes couldnt put him away?
thomas had angelo dundee and was very good, but i didnt know he just got out of rehab. so ill take your word on that one.
and where do you get this 2 weeks crap from? acording to you all tyson opponents only get 2 weeks to train for a fight? ??? holmes and tubbs were givin sufficient time to train, they were just beaten by a better man who was in his prime!
and why do you discount spinks as just a light heavy? he was a good HW that could match it with the best.holmes had 30 rds to ko him and he couldnt!
you say tyson is overrated but you also think ALI is overrated?
just keepin it real mr icecold 8)
Holmes isn't a puncher just like Ali couldn't put Norton away he isn't puncher James Tillis decked Williams twice its well known Williams chin is like glass
And it isn't crap Tubbs said himself he had 2 weeks to train because he was a replacement i believe
And again with this Holmes couldn't ko Spinks firstly he was fading and was shot secondly it doesn't matter if he couldn't ko him he still won both fights to 98 percent of the public
Tyson is overrated Ali is a tad overrated but atleast he beat great fighters in there prime i never said Ali is overrated in his opponents i mean when people say he can beat anyone and thats ditto for Tyson except Ali beat great fighters Tyson didn't.
but if holmes was so shot for the spinks fight, how in the hell did he manage to fight on for another 20years. and give a prime evander loads of probs?
Because it was style makes fights ?? Foreman gave Holyfield troubles aswell and he was shot aswell ??
it is because holfield was crap and couldnt ko 2 old men. at least tyson koed that SOB :D
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Holmes lost 2 15 rounders to Spinks had a few fights at heavy yet Tyson demolished Holmes that had never happend to Holmes before and then he went on to have good fights with Holyfield and McCall and Tyson crushed Spinks in 91 seconds ;)
On paper he did but fans know Spinks didn't win im sure BIG H could tell you that he has probably seen the fight more than me and again he had more prep time with Oliver and Holyfield and plus Tyson did strike fear into Holmes because Tyson striked fear into his opponents and sadly Holmes at that time wasn't good enough for a prime Mike.
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
Troy that was a good one were becoming a double act HA HA HA HA ;D ;)
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I remember you saying it last time BIG H when i was on about Tucker then you said if Oliver and Rahman can do it so can Tyson :)
Liar Liar pants on fire ;D
Ner ner ner ner ner ner
;D shame Miles ain't here BIG H we could have another 22 page debate ;)
;D
Sad thing is Lewis is one of my favourite fighters of all time - and I think Tyson is a pr1ck ;)
I like Lewis aswell its just sometimes he came into fights not fully prepared and that what hurts him when trying to rank him.
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
where talking prime vs prime and tysons prime, his absoloute peak was 1988. and that version off tyson would be a handfull for most. you know little in the fact that you think anyone whos not affraid and can take a punch will automatically kill tyson ::**
and i know u think tyson only ever beat bums ??? ....spinks, thomas, williams, berbick,tubbs,smith,biggs,and holmes were not bums and yeah holmes was 38 but he still had never been koed and was never koed after that but tyson knocked him out cold,something prime holyfield couldnt do to an even older version of holmes. and spinks was a natural light heavy but he would have givin holyfield a run for his money and he ko cooney who was twice his size . so it was a good win for tyson
Right i see you mentioned these names about 6 times today im going to tell you little fact
Spinks was natural Lightheavy only got title getting 2 gifts off a faded Holmes
Smith koed a Witherspoon who was having drug problems and bad dealings with King his head wasn't in the game in his prime he easily dealt with Smith
Pinklon Thomas had talent but he had just got out of rehab
Carl Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak
Berbick had been koed in 1 round before Tyson got to him and lost every round against Holmes
Tubbs had 2 weeks to prepare and was badly out of shape
Smith lol don't make me laugh he lost to Marvis Frazier
Biggs is like Williams had talent but his chin was badly weak and he never beat an elite fighter just like Williams
Holmes 38 2 weeks to train on losing streak and hadn't fought in nearly 2 years.
smith also murdered tim witherspoon.
you say carl's chin was so bad, but holmes couldnt put him away?
thomas had angelo dundee and was very good, but i didnt know he just got out of rehab. so ill take your word on that one.
and where do you get this 2 weeks crap from? acording to you all tyson opponents only get 2 weeks to train for a fight? ??? holmes and tubbs were givin sufficient time to train, they were just beaten by a better man who was in his prime!
and why do you discount spinks as just a light heavy? he was a good HW that could match it with the best.holmes had 30 rds to ko him and he couldnt!
you say tyson is overrated but you also think ALI is overrated?
just keepin it real mr icecold 8)
Holmes isn't a puncher just like Ali couldn't put Norton away he isn't puncher James Tillis decked Williams twice its well known Williams chin is like glass
And it isn't crap Tubbs said himself he had 2 weeks to train because he was a replacement i believe
And again with this Holmes couldn't ko Spinks firstly he was fading and was shot secondly it doesn't matter if he couldn't ko him he still won both fights to 98 percent of the public
Tyson is overrated Ali is a tad overrated but atleast he beat great fighters in there prime i never said Ali is overrated in his opponents i mean when people say he can beat anyone and thats ditto for Tyson except Ali beat great fighters Tyson didn't.
but if holmes was so shot for the spinks fight, how in the hell did he manage to fight on for another 20years. and give a prime evander loads of probs?
Because it was style makes fights ?? Foreman gave Holyfield troubles aswell and he was shot aswell ??
it is because holfield was crap and couldnt ko 2 old men. at least tyson koed that SOB :D
If Holyfield sucks that much how comes Holyfield beat Tysons a** twice ???
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Holmes lost 2 15 rounders to Spinks had a few fights at heavy yet Tyson demolished Holmes that had never happend to Holmes before and then he went on to have good fights with Holyfield and McCall and Tyson crushed Spinks in 91 seconds ;)
On paper he did but fans know Spinks didn't win im sure BIG H could tell you that he has probably seen the fight more than me and again he had more prep time with Oliver and Holyfield and plus Tyson did strike fear into Holmes because Tyson striked fear into his opponents and sadly Holmes at that time wasn't good enough for a prime Mike.
I would'nt say Tyson put fear in Holmes because Holmes did'nt think Tyson hit as hard as he found out he did and he thought he was going to teach the kid a lesson how wrong he was when he was snoozing in round 4
Re: Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by TYSONBRUNO
Holmes lost 2 15 rounders to Spinks had a few fights at heavy yet Tyson demolished Holmes that had never happend to Holmes before and then he went on to have good fights with Holyfield and McCall and Tyson crushed Spinks in 91 seconds ;)
On paper he did but fans know Spinks didn't win im sure BIG H could tell you that he has probably seen the fight more than me and again he had more prep time with Oliver and Holyfield and plus Tyson did strike fear into Holmes because Tyson striked fear into his opponents and sadly Holmes at that time wasn't good enough for a prime Mike.
you know i think spinks won both fights but gotta give spinks his props, he did good considering hes a light HW
