Re: What did you think of Hatton's performance?
Re: What did you think of Hatton's performance?
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Originally Posted by Fire
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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**
i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's
grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..
hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...
It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.
I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!
If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.
Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.
The N'dou fight is in my personal collection of favourite fights, and the Gatti performance is as well. Extremely watchable. I love THAT Floyd. I can still respect the Floyd Mayweather of today, but if Floyd had kept his 135-140 style and still beaten Oscar and Zab Judah then he'd have set the world on fire, and be loved the world over, he would have had it all like Leonard and Roy Jones Jnr did. Instead we have the uneasy situation we do today, where he is really difficult to be a fan of for quite a few boxing fans. One of the reasons the cheapest tickets in the house against Oscar were $250 was because it was the best chance yet of seeing Floyd get beat, as well as Oscar being the draw he is of course.
Re: What did you think of Hatton's performance?
I thought Ricky looked solid, Castillo was a step slower. Just landed a perfect shot. Would like to see him continue with even better opponents.Would like to see some big fights happen with the following names: Hatton, Mosely, Mayweather, Cotto, Margarito/Williams winner. Any of those guys fighting each other would be great.
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Hatton did all that could have been asked. It was a very good performance.
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hattons performance was a disgrace. holding 20 times a round is not boxing. once again he cheated to a victory. but to be honest he would have beaten the shot castillo anyway
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**
i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's
grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..
hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...
It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.
I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!
If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.
Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.
:coolclick: I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.
I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.
Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.
I tried...but couldn't have said it better meself! :coolclick:
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I disagree with the holding. I don't EVER remember JLC holding in his career,why would he start now? Hatton initiated the grabbing,Castillo tried to grab back,get him off.However,it's been effective for Hatton so he is doing whatever it takes for him to win.
I also disagree with Hatton's statement that the fight was more exciting than PBF, entire career. I think Floyd has had more exciting fights and I prefer watching Floyd (except for his last 2-4 fights). Floyd is labelled boring now and I can understand that but at the lower weights,he was dam exciting to watch.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by Missy
really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**
i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's
grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..
hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...
It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.
I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!
If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.
Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.
Come on, Wacko. He wasn't an action fighter against Oscar. He won, but he took no chances. Hit and not be hit is the largest part of boxing, but Floyd tends to focus much more on the "not be hit" part. Yes, he has had action fights in the past, at lighter weight classes. Since moving up, all his focus is on defense. All the names you mentioned were at 135 or below. I would much rather see a fighter use a little clinching and try to KO his man than use his legs to run and pot shot his way to boring decision, ie Floyd against Baldy and Oscar or Andre Dirrell against Stevens.
The problem with Hatton's clinching is when he gets into a fight were he wants to cruise to decision, ie Urango and to a lesser degree Collazo, he becomes painful to watch. That version of Hatton was "hook and hold" Hatton. I completely disagree with Lederman that Hatton was initiating 90% of the clinching against JLC, and even with the clinching, he was still a very active puncher, and used great speed and footwork.
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Originally Posted by Missy
really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**
i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's
grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..
hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...
It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.
I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!
If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.
Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.
:coolclick: I agree with your completely Wacko. Floyd is in no way a negative hit and run fighter like people say, he's fought like that in one fight against Baldimor, in every other fight he's been exciting.
I love watching Floyd fight, he's an artist in the ring and I fail to see how any true boxing fan cannot appreciate his skills or his boxing style. The sweet science of boxing is about hitting and avoiding being hit and Floyd is the master, at least in our present era.
Hatton avoids getting hit by grabbing hold of an opponent and not allowing them to throw. There is no skill in that, it's just a rotten way to fight and a style that is rightly hated when anyone other than Hatton does it. To me he's no different to John Ruiz, just with better aggression and more speed.
That just so wrong. He certainly clinches a fair share, but it's not his only defense, and there is plenty of skill for a fighter that short to impose his will and plan on his opponent. Comparing Hatton to Ruiz is crappiest analogy I've heard and it's becoming very trendy on this site to say that. It sounds good and and it's a snappy little way to dis Hatton, but it's crap. Castillo held just as much as Hatton in that fight and if you can't appreciate Hattons quickness, balance, and the subtle things he does in offensive infighting, I don't know you are a true boxing fan. His skill in changing angles, staying on balance, and feinting we brilliant. Sure, you can prefer Floyd's style or Whitaker's style, or whoever, but Hatton is very skillful in his own way.
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hattons way of fighting is very different to the style of mayweather but who is to fault both fighters they do what needs to be done....but too many people are crabbing hatton ! hatton is one very tough very underestimated (by the american audience) fighter ! his record speaks for itself he isnt just a fighter who hides in his own country maybe like one of the former german world title holders and rejoices in the glory of his own countrymen . i honestly believe this man would duck no one and deserves the right to fight any light welter who could make the weight
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WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERANCE BETWEEN FLOYDS HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND MOVING OUT.. AND HATTON HITTING 3 OR 4 TIMES AND CLINCHING????????????
Since you keep asking, here's the easy answer: holding is illegal.
More substantively, the difference is that using movement to not get hit requires a great deal of skill and athleticism. This is why even people who don't like Floyd's defensive style constantly preface this by saying things like "I mean, I respect his skill, but..." or "I can appreciate that he's great, but...." Excessive holding, on the other hand, does not require any skill or athleticism at all. This is obvious from the fact that any fight you watch between a couple of guys with no amateur background and only a handful of fights under their belts is characterized by excessive holding. And while some people may not like watching defensive movement, no one even appreciates watching holding.
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really? you can't see the difference in trying to maul your opponent ala WWF and using superior footwork. I hope they don't teach this as the way to win. ::**
i just cant see hating on hatton for it and then giving a pass to mayweather.. that was my point.. and hatton's style is still more exciting than mayweather's
grabbing, the body shots, and giving the angles hatton was is called controlling the tempo and dominating every round and is a skillset unto itself... and the tempo is higher than mayweather's"superior footwork"style otherwise known as running..
hitting and not getting hit.. thats how i would teach on winning... using your strengths against your opponents weakness, however style you might need to use...
It all depends on what you like out of your boxer.
I for one totally loathe to the highest degree holding in boxing. I HATE IT!!!
If you believe that using superior footwork equates to running in regards to Mayweather...your'e just wrong & contradicting yourself. You want to teach hit & not be hit (which is the largest part of boxing) then you use Floyd as an example.
Floyd has been in many MANY action fights...people just tend to let their hate blind them & wipe their memory's clean of Floyd's matches against Castillo, Manfredy, Jukko, Hernandex, Corrales, Chavez, & yes even the Oscar fight.
The N'dou fight is in my personal collection of favourite fights, and the Gatti performance is as well. Extremely watchable. I love THAT Floyd. I can still respect the Floyd Mayweather of today, but if Floyd had kept his 135-140 style and still beaten Oscar and Zab Judah then he'd have set the world on fire, and be loved the world over, he would have had it all like Leonard and Roy Jones Jnr did.
And he would have taken unneccesary punishment. Why would he do that? You say he would have had it all like Roy did, and when did Roy ever ever fight in his prime and take unneccesary punishment? He boxed just as Floyd does
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^CC TO THAT....Thats a post i like...Praisin hatton n takin mayweather down a peg ;D
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Alright now this is getting crazy. Ruiz err Hatton being compared to Floyd is ludacris. Everyone here who knows my posting in here knows that I'm no fan of PBF but he fights within the rules and he shows plenty of skill.
My problem with Floyd is that I think he is defrauding the public with his claims to be the best without fighting the best in their primes. Now Ruiz, I'm sorry I just keeps coming out that way, Hatton is a likable guy and has good speed and pretty good skill but it's rarely shown because he spends so much time holding and mauling.
I for one, am not a fan of holding and you Hatton fans can defend him all day but it is what it is.
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I'm a new member, but have been coming here peeking around for quite a while, so hello everyone. I would like to say congrats to Hatton 1st, as he did his job. And much respect for Castillo also, as he always has been a warrior and one of my favorites. But I need to say something in regards to the other night. Was Castillo shot?? Only he knows that but he said he would knockout Rick and that Rick wasn't even in the same league as far as skills and opponents. He looked very happy and calm before the fight and was laughing and smiling right before the fight. He looked slow at 1st but what's new, and when Ricky is holding or wrestling or whatever anyone wants to label it, it's hard to look fast IMO. Did Castillo quit?? Maybe he did mentally quit, thoughI think it is insulting to a guy who has shown so game for so long. Nobody else did what Hatton did to him, so shot fighter or not it is very rare indeed to put Castillo on the floor like that, and in that time. But what really gets me is that Ricky came prepared for whatever Castillo decided to come, and took care of business. It's not Ricky's fault for which Castillo shows up, that boy comes to fight. I don't think Rick holds or wrestles because he can't box, he knows he is so strong that he likes to bully people around; that's his style. Just as it is Floyd's style to so-called "run". I like em' both and much respect to both, but like them or hate them, this fight needs to happen. Floyd's camp told Rick that in order to get a fight with him Rick would have to beat Castillo decisively, which he obviously did, shot fighter or not. So therefore, make this fight happen and be done with it. Will be the most anticipated fight IMO since Leonard/Hearns. At least give Rick credit for making it to the top, because face it, Castillo could hardly be called a bum. Mayweather couldn't put him out like that and I know his style really doesn't imply that type of destruction, but Rick did it so stop calling him a bum. Fight him and prove it!! I hate all the b.s. talk about any of these fighters because as far as I'm concerned, they are there and most of us are not, so respect those men in the ring. If by chance Castillo purposely avoided getting up the other night, it's because he knew he would get put down again and fast. As many wars as he's been in that's understandable, but I don't think he could have dealt with Ricky 5 years ago with the Ricky of Saturday night. Anyways, just my 25 cents and no offense intended if I did. I don't want to come off as an "internet warrior", just wanted to express my opinion.
