Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by zhubin
Wow! Everyone is counting Barrera out...including his own country men. This will just give him extra motivation. For all of Pac's tremendous athleticism...he ultimately knows how to fight only one way. People can sugar coat his technical flaws all they want...but if for whatever reason his plan A doesn't work against Marco....does he have a plan B to fall back on? We all know Marco can fight numerous different ways. Knowing this is his last fight he will be in tremendous shape and will have a game plan. Most people think Manny's pressure will be too much. But as Marquez proved in his fight with Pac...if you can withstand the initial surge...a technically superior fighter can out box Manny. For all the talk that Manny is the Mexican killer: he lost his first match with Morales and then defeated a shot Eric in their next two bouts. He had a draw against Marquez. And he of course had a big win over a distracted and unprepared Marco in their first fight. Not trying to discount Pac...he is an exciting, dynamic fighter who is a handful for anyone...but he is not unbeatable and still has enough flaws to be exposed by an intelligent and skilled fighter. Should be a great fight!
Pac did lots of improvements since 2003. And you're right, EM and JMM taught Pac some lessons... and lesson learned for him and he keeps improving. All pacfans should also look at it in positive way.
Pac was a one-handed wrecking ball when he defeated MAB. Now he's a two-fisted Pacmonster. He can also do the cha-cha too, and what I meant by that is... he can fight forward, laterals, and backward with hard punches and blistering speed.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by zhubin
Wow! Everyone is counting Barrera out...including his own country men. This will just give him extra motivation. For all of Pac's tremendous athleticism...he ultimately knows how to fight only one way. People can sugar coat his technical flaws all they want...but if for whatever reason his plan A doesn't work against Marco....does he have a plan B to fall back on? We all know Marco can fight numerous different ways. Knowing this is his last fight he will be in tremendous shape and will have a game plan. Most people think Manny's pressure will be too much. But as Marquez proved in his fight with Pac...if you can withstand the initial surge...a technically superior fighter can out box Manny. For all the talk that Manny is the Mexican killer: he lost his first match with Morales and then defeated a shot Eric in their next two bouts. He had a draw against Marquez. And he of course had a big win over a distracted and unprepared Marco in their first fight. Not trying to discount Pac...he is an exciting, dynamic fighter who is a handful for anyone...but he is not unbeatable and still has enough flaws to be exposed by an intelligent and skilled fighter. Should be a great fight!
Pac did lots of improvements since 2003. And you're right, EM and JMM taught Pac some lessons... and lesson learned for him and he keeps improving. All pacfans should also look at it in positive way.
Pac was a one-handed wrecking ball when he defeated MAB. Now he's a two-fisted Pacmonster. He can also do the
cha-cha too, and what I meant by that is... he can fight forward, laterals, and backward with hard punches and blistering speed.
While i agree with you that Pac has certainly improved since the first Barrera fight...he still has big flaws in his style. I strongly disagree that he can fight backwards...i think this is one area where he is the weakest. He also tends to lounge on his punches and is often off balance. He is a tremendous athlete...so he often can get away with his technical flaws. But he ultimately knows how to fight one way....coming forward with pressure. Listen...i by no means am hating on Pac...i think he is an exciting fighter. All i am saying is that Barrera was no where near his best in that first fight. And sure...Marco hasn't gotten any younger....but he is still a tremendous boxer who can fight multiple styles. Pac deserves to be the favorite....i just think he will have a hell of a harder fight against Barrera than people are expecting.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by zhubin
Wow! Everyone is counting Barrera out...including his own country men. This will just give him extra motivation. For all of Pac's tremendous athleticism...he ultimately knows how to fight only one way. People can sugar coat his technical flaws all they want...but if for whatever reason his plan A doesn't work against Marco....does he have a plan B to fall back on? We all know Marco can fight numerous different ways. Knowing this is his last fight he will be in tremendous shape and will have a game plan. Most people think Manny's pressure will be too much. But as Marquez proved in his fight with Pac...if you can withstand the initial surge...a technically superior fighter can out box Manny. For all the talk that Manny is the Mexican killer: he lost his first match with Morales and then defeated a shot Eric in their next two bouts. He had a draw against Marquez. And he of course had a big win over a distracted and unprepared Marco in their first fight. Not trying to discount Pac...he is an exciting, dynamic fighter who is a handful for anyone...but he is not unbeatable and still has enough flaws to be exposed by an intelligent and skilled fighter. Should be a great fight!
Pac did lots of improvements since 2003. And you're right, EM and JMM taught Pac some lessons... and lesson learned for him and he keeps improving. All pacfans should also look at it in positive way.
Pac was a one-handed wrecking ball when he defeated MAB. Now he's a two-fisted Pacmonster. He can also do the
cha-cha too, and what I meant by that is... he can fight forward, laterals, and backward with hard punches and blistering speed.
While i agree with you that Pac has certainly improved since the first Barrera fight...he still has big flaws in his style. I strongly disagree that he can fight backwards...i think this is one area where he is the weakest. He also tends to lounge on his punches and is often off balance. He is a tremendous athlete...so he often can get away with his technical flaws. But he ultimately knows how to fight one way....coming forward with pressure. Listen...i by no means am hating on Pac...i think he is an exciting fighter. All i am saying is that Barrera was no where near his best in that first fight. And sure...Marco hasn't gotten any younger....but he is still a tremendous boxer who can fight multiple styles. Pac deserves to be the favorite....i just think he will have a hell of a harder fight against Barrera than people are expecting.
Pac KD Morales while fighting backwards with the left hook, Pac got even pressed against the rope when that happened. Then Pac rocked him with his right hook while again fighting backward followed up by barrage of punches that resulted the 2nd KD.
The thing is, EM's team thought Pac couldn't fight backwards. That was their strategy... knowing that EM can no longer fight full 12 rounds so they also pressured Pac in early rounds and hopinglly KO him. Obviously that didn't work.
Watch this slowmo footage and you'll see what I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvHXlWLFm3s
But I do agree with you that Pac is NOT a flawless fighter but he's only 28 and will still get better.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
No disrespect...but Morales was a completely shot fighter in their third fight. He had zero energy and was a shell of the fighter he used to be. So while i give Pac some credit for finishing him...a knockdown against a spiritless and weight drained Eric doesn't show me that Pac can fight going backwards.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by zhubin
No disrespect...but Morales was a completely shot fighter in their third fight. He had zero energy and was a shell of the fighter he used to be. So while i give Pac some credit for finishing him...a knockdown against a spiritless and weight drained Eric doesn't show me that Pac can fight going backwards.
Well,... a shot Morales or not, spiritless or full of spirited,... Pac already proved that he CAN fight backwards and has the ability to score a KD while doing it so - no matter which opponent.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
MILES wrote:
I havent forgotten anything. Yes, Pac stopped Barrera, but lightning seldom strikes in the same place twice. :)
lol thats true lightning doenst strike twice at the same place how ever this isnt LIGHTNING man,its BOXING
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by pinoyako
MILES wrote:
I havent forgotten anything. Yes, Pac stopped Barrera, but lightning seldom strikes in the same place twice. :)
lol thats true lightning doenst strike twice at the same place how ever this isnt LIGHTNING man,its BOXING
yep that makes sense - im 100% clear and what you mean there...
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haha forogt i can use :Sarcasm: now!!!! ;D
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by pinoyako
MILES wrote:
I havent forgotten anything. Yes, Pac stopped Barrera, but lightning seldom strikes in the same place twice. :)
lol thats true lightning doenst strike twice at the same place how ever this isnt LIGHTNING man,its BOXING
Have you ever heard of the use of a metaphor?! ::**
I know we are talking boxing. Do you think im talking about figure skating or something? When I am on this forum I am talking boxing. I am not actually referring to the weather as such.
Barrera will be the toughest opponent Pac has faced for a long time. Dont be so sure of an easy victory. Barrera will mix it up and with it being his last fight you can be sure he will try to catch Pac off balance as he often is with a few perfect counters.
It could be a fight to put MAB up there with the rest of the greats...
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by pinoyako
MILES wrote:
I havent forgotten anything. Yes, Pac stopped Barrera, but lightning seldom strikes in the same place twice. :)
lol thats true lightning doenst strike twice at the same place how ever this isnt LIGHTNING man,its BOXING
Have you ever heard of the use of a metaphor?! ::**
I know we are talking boxing. Do you think im talking about figure skating or something? When I am on this forum I am talking boxing. I am not actually referring to the weather as such.
Barrera will be the toughest opponent Pac has faced for a long time. Dont be so sure of an easy victory. Barrera will mix it up and with it being his last fight you can be sure he will try to catch Pac off balance as he often is with a few perfect counters.
It could be a fight to put MAB up there with the rest of the greats...
imo barrera is up there with all the greats now, no question about it.
But i dont think he should be taking this fight, he is shot, has no will to get involded in anythign messy anymore, just wnats to box his way to a win, and pac wont let him do that - ofc anything can happen in boxing and i pray barrera can pull it out one last time. apart form the jones fights barrera has never lost two ina row, and if he had a shakey fight he came back and won decisivley, so maybe yeah that is a small reaosn why you can't cound him out... but i just dont see the fire in him anymore to get this job...
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by pinoyako
MILES wrote:
I havent forgotten anything. Yes, Pac stopped Barrera, but lightning seldom strikes in the same place twice. :)
lol thats true lightning doenst strike twice at the same place how ever this isnt LIGHTNING man,its BOXING
Have you ever heard of the use of a metaphor?! ::**
I know we are talking boxing. Do you think im talking about figure skating or something? When I am on this forum I am talking boxing. I am not actually referring to the weather as such.
Barrera will be the toughest opponent Pac has faced for a long time. Dont be so sure of an easy victory. Barrera will mix it up and with it being his last fight you can be sure he will try to catch Pac off balance as he often is with a few perfect counters.
It could be a fight to put MAB up there with the rest of the greats...
imo barrera is up there with all the greats now, no question about it.
But i dont think he should be taking this fight, he is shot, has no will to get involded in anythign messy anymore, just wnats to box his way to a win, and pac wont let him do that - ofc anything can happen in boxing and i pray barrera can pull it out one last time. apart form the jones fights barrera has never lost two ina row, and if he had a shakey fight he came back and won decisivley, so maybe yeah that is a small reaosn why you can't cound him out... but i just dont see the fire in him anymore to get this job...
Its his final fight. He wants to take it. No better judge than himself.
Barrera is not shot. He got messy against Marquez and scored a knockdown that wasnt scored. Thats not shot. I think he beat Marquez. And many consider Maquez to be the main threat to Pac.
If Marco felt it was not there then he would quit now. The Marquez fight answered the questions...
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by dasamm
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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NO FWOCKEN WAY!!!! :o
I think I just S*** my pants.... So where are all those anti-GBP people who kept talking S***! that GBP is the worst and that they don't care about the sport and blah! blah! blah!!
This is great so this means we could see JMM vs. PAC II early 2008 if they both win their next bouts....
I think those anti GBP people who were talking s*** were banned ;)
How about Soto though? Seems a lot were giving him a better chance then are giving Barrera, though MAB is a much bigger name and will make a bigger card.
No gonna lie I've only seen Soto-Bobby Pac so I can't judge.
Barrera has not looked himself. Lose to JMM understandable but two close fights vs Juarez is a bad sign. I thought Juarez should've lost to up-and-comer Hernandez.
Mab is pretty worn out, add another KO to Pac's record.
I love when people try to discredit MAB for his fights against Juarez. Juarez was one of the best young prospects in the business when he fought Marco...a young fighter with a tremendous punch. And please don't forget...in the first Juarez fight....Marco had been preparing to fight Chavez at 135. Chavez injured himself...and Marco had to get up to fight Juarez instead. He toughed that first Juarez fight out....showed he still can gut out a fight. In the second Juarez fight....Barrera put on a boxing clinic. Dancing. jabbing, and controlling the fight like a fighter many years younger. Juarez was completely surprised and couldn't adjust....so MAB won easy. People need to give Marco a WHOLE lot more credit for that fight. And then Marco fought Marquez in a great match. People need to give Barrera his major props...the man is ending his career taking no easy route. Pac on the other hand has fought a shot Morales and some nobodies in his recent fights. Again...Pac will deservedly be the favorite in this rematch....but Marco is going to give a battle....and anything short of a completely focused and prepared Pac (and he always seems to have a million distractions in his life)....could find himself in serious trouble.
pac fought a shot morales? i remember barrera considering retirement after he lost the first fight with manny, then he started winning fights again and he wasn't shot after all. i hope you wouldn't say that after pac beats barrera again... oh, of course you will. and what if erik starts winning again? nah, imo erik isn't shot. he's just has outgrown the 130lb-division and wasn't motivated against raheem.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by dasamm
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
:o
NO FWOCKEN WAY!!!! :o
I think I just S*** my pants.... So where are all those anti-GBP people who kept talking S***! that GBP is the worst and that they don't care about the sport and blah! blah! blah!!
This is great so this means we could see JMM vs. PAC II early 2008 if they both win their next bouts....
I think those anti GBP people who were talking s*** were banned ;)
How about Soto though? Seems a lot were giving him a better chance then are giving Barrera, though MAB is a much bigger name and will make a bigger card.
No gonna lie I've only seen Soto-Bobby Pac so I can't judge.
Barrera has not looked himself. Lose to JMM understandable but two close fights vs Juarez is a bad sign. I thought Juarez should've lost to up-and-comer Hernandez.
Mab is pretty worn out, add another KO to Pac's record.
I love when people try to discredit MAB for his fights against Juarez. Juarez was one of the best young prospects in the business when he fought Marco...a young fighter with a tremendous punch. And please don't forget...in the first Juarez fight....Marco had been preparing to fight Chavez at 135. Chavez injured himself...and Marco had to get up to fight Juarez instead. He toughed that first Juarez fight out....showed he still can gut out a fight. In the second Juarez fight....Barrera put on a boxing clinic. Dancing. jabbing, and controlling the fight like a fighter many years younger. Juarez was completely surprised and couldn't adjust....so MAB won easy. People need to give Marco a WHOLE lot more credit for that fight. And then Marco fought Marquez in a great match. People need to give Barrera his major props...the man is ending his career taking no easy route. Pac on the other hand has fought a shot Morales and some nobodies in his recent fights. Again...Pac will deservedly be the favorite in this rematch....but Marco is going to give a battle....and anything short of a completely focused and prepared Pac (and he always seems to have a million distractions in his life)....could find himself in serious trouble.
pac fought a shot morales? i remember barrera considering retirement after he lost the first fight with manny, then he started winning fights again and he wasn't shot after all. i hope you wouldn't say that after pac beats barrera again... oh, of course you will. and what if erik starts winning again? nah, imo erik isn't shot. he's just has outgrown the 130lb-division and wasn't motivated against raheem.
Erik getting stopped in 3 is not shot?! ::**
You obviously follow a cetain path! ;)
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by KKisser
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by dasamm
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
:o
NO FWOCKEN WAY!!!! :o
I think I just S*** my pants.... So where are all those anti-GBP people who kept talking S***! that GBP is the worst and that they don't care about the sport and blah! blah! blah!!
This is great so this means we could see JMM vs. PAC II early 2008 if they both win their next bouts....
I think those anti GBP people who were talking s*** were banned ;)
How about Soto though? Seems a lot were giving him a better chance then are giving Barrera, though MAB is a much bigger name and will make a bigger card.
No gonna lie I've only seen Soto-Bobby Pac so I can't judge.
Barrera has not looked himself. Lose to JMM understandable but two close fights vs Juarez is a bad sign. I thought Juarez should've lost to up-and-comer Hernandez.
Mab is pretty worn out, add another KO to Pac's record.
I love when people try to discredit MAB for his fights against Juarez. Juarez was one of the best young prospects in the business when he fought Marco...a young fighter with a tremendous punch. And please don't forget...in the first Juarez fight....Marco had been preparing to fight Chavez at 135. Chavez injured himself...and Marco had to get up to fight Juarez instead. He toughed that first Juarez fight out....showed he still can gut out a fight. In the second Juarez fight....Barrera put on a boxing clinic. Dancing. jabbing, and controlling the fight like a fighter many years younger. Juarez was completely surprised and couldn't adjust....so MAB won easy. People need to give Marco a WHOLE lot more credit for that fight. And then Marco fought Marquez in a great match. People need to give Barrera his major props...the man is ending his career taking no easy route. Pac on the other hand has fought a shot Morales and some nobodies in his recent fights. Again...Pac will deservedly be the favorite in this rematch....but Marco is going to give a battle....and anything short of a completely focused and prepared Pac (and he always seems to have a million distractions in his life)....could find himself in serious trouble.
pac fought a shot morales? i remember barrera considering retirement after he lost the first fight with manny, then he started winning fights again and he wasn't shot after all. i hope you wouldn't say that after pac beats barrera again... oh, of course you will. and what if erik starts winning again? nah, imo erik isn't shot. he's just has outgrown the 130lb-division and wasn't motivated against raheem.
Erik getting stopped in 3 is not shot?! ::**
You obviously follow a cetain path! ;)
he was weight drained and he chose to slug it out with manny. it was either him or the pac.
Re: Pacquiao Barrera II October 6th
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Originally Posted by miles
The Morales of the 3rd fight was a shadow of what he had been before. Morales has such pride and as such gets drawn into wars easily. A shadow loses easily in a war and that is what Morales now is.
Barrera just fought as competively as one can do against Marquez without getting a knockdown scored. This is no shot Barrera. He did better than Pac against Marquez IMO...
He can still hang at the top. Barrera can and will fight for 12. Pac has been picking on left overs for a while now. Barrera can still impress. Im surprised he is being written off by so many.
Its a pick 'em and if Barrera is hungry enough then he can take it....
I agree that MAB is NOT a shot fighter. Most people saw that when he KD Marquez.
I just hope people (like you miles) who believes that MAB is NOT a shot fighter would give Pac some credits if he beats MAB for the 2nd time.
I will hate to hear "Pac beat up another shot fighter".
