Re: HOLYFIELD HAS HIS CHANCE TO BECOME CHAMP FOR FIFTH TIME AGAINST IBRAGIMOV!!!
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this is the weakest era in HW history! holyfield knows this and is taking advantage--very possible he could take it a 5th time
No it's not the weakest era in heavyweight history, it's just different. It's competitive and also the promoters keep the big fights from happening.
I hate when people think just because there is not a unified champ that it's a weak era: Wladimir, Vitali, Sam Peter....those guys could hold their own in ANY era Louis, Marciano, Liston, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis. There are extremely good fighters fighting these days but just because they are mostly Russian and haven't unified it's a "horrible era"......if anyone gave Wlad or Vitali the chance to unify they would do it and they would dominate and they'd still be ridiculed because it would be fairly easy for 2-3 years defending the titles as the younger heavyweights develop but hell Mike Tyson is looked upon very well though he had very few tough matches in his tenure as champion.
Holyfield has a good chance of beating Sultan it's not because Sultan is horrible...he isn't, he has talent, it's limited but he has talent and he's still developing as a 12 round fighter but Evander Holyfield is an all-time great fighter and he has the heart to beat anyone on any given night
Nope totally disagree only Wlad and Vitali would hold there own in eras like that the others wouldn't.
By the way how old is Holyfield ?? he must be close to Foremans record.
44 I believe.
Re: HOLYFIELD HAS HIS CHANCE TO BECOME CHAMP FOR FIFTH TIME AGAINST IBRAGIMOV!!!
If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
Re: HOLYFIELD HAS HIS CHANCE TO BECOME CHAMP FOR FIFTH TIME AGAINST IBRAGIMOV!!!
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If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
That is my cheif concern as well. Its not this fight, its the fight after this that is really dangerous for him.
Re: HOLYFIELD HAS HIS CHANCE TO BECOME CHAMP FOR FIFTH TIME AGAINST IBRAGIMOV!!!
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by undefeated
this is the weakest era in HW history! holyfield knows this and is taking advantage--very possible he could take it a 5th time
No it's not the weakest era in heavyweight history, it's just different. It's competitive and also the promoters keep the big fights from happening.
I hate when people think just because there is not a unified champ that it's a weak era: Wladimir, Vitali, Sam Peter....those guys could hold their own in ANY era Louis, Marciano, Liston, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis. There are extremely good fighters fighting these days but just because they are mostly Russian and haven't unified it's a "horrible era"......if anyone gave Wlad or Vitali the chance to unify they would do it and they would dominate and they'd still be ridiculed because it would be fairly easy for 2-3 years defending the titles as the younger heavyweights develop but hell Mike Tyson is looked upon very well though he had very few tough matches in his tenure as champion.
Holyfield has a good chance of beating Sultan it's not because Sultan is horrible...he isn't, he has talent, it's limited but he has talent and he's still developing as a 12 round fighter but Evander Holyfield is an all-time great fighter and he has the heart to beat anyone on any given night
Nope totally disagree only Wlad and Vitali would hold there own in eras like that the others wouldn't.
By the way how old is Holyfield ?? he must be close to Foremans record.
Yes only the top level guys like Wlad and Vitali could hold their own in any era....but think about the guys from those eras that could say the same.....it's like 1 or 2 per era it's not like 50 fighters from this era or that era could do great anytime.
Ali's era had Foreman and Frazier and that was it as far as GREAT goes.....it had a ton of good, decent, and average fighters like Quarry, Shavers, Bonavena, Chuvalo, Norton, Terrell, etc.....but tell me how is that different from right now???
Wladimir and Vitali are going to be considered GREAT and they have a shitload of good, average, and talented young fighters behind them as well as the aging vets from the last era.
The perception of this era is just an issue of matches that need to be made, either Klitschko vs these guys: Sam Peter, Ruslan Chagaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Nicolay Valuev, Corrie Sanders, Shannon Briggs (maybe...just to see him KTFO), and Tony Thompson
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Great news for Evander, this is best possible opponent imo. He has a chance, although this fight is certainly not a gimme. It will be a tough slog for Evander but if he wins I guess that he will then face Chagaev with a real chance to unify two belts :o
Who would have really thought that a year or so ago?
I remember the threads saying the comeback was a joke (even i said it was) and he'd never be a figure ever again but this is just unbelieveable.
this comeback is now more of a joke than ever.
theres not enough steroids in the world to help evander beat sultan.
sultan by brutal ko within 10 (evander wont win a round)
i think ur wrong. remeber how much trouble ray austin gave sultan, wat makes u think he can destroy holyfield
evander was getting tagged on by journeyman lou savarees, and i remember jeremy bates even caught him with a couple good shots.
sultan will stop the most over rated fighter in the history of boxing
You and your comments are a joke
whatever Big Douche.............
i guess youre right. Holyfield NEVER got rocked by lou savaresse or jeremy bates ::**
Wow, congrats on being the first one with that joke ::** Your original.
So, where do i begin?
"Most overrated fighter in history"
How can a 4 time world champ be overrated?
How can a guy who displayed heart and determination in every big fight in his career (sometimes while being injured) be overrated?
A guy who left a piece of himself in the ring after every fight?
DO YOU NOT REMEMBER ROUND 10 in 92' against BOWE? how can a person that went through all that be overrated?
Dont forget, he is one of the first to completely dominate Mike Tyson 6 YEARS before lennox lewis finaly stepped in the ring with Mike.
This is a guy who conditioned himself from Cruiserweight to heavyweight and turned into the one of the best if not the BEST HW of all time.
LOL @ rocked by bates.
His first fight back in 2 years and he gets hit with 1 powershot, and you want to hold that against him?
Also lou sarvaresse is a TOUGH veteran being knocked out by the likes of tyson and kirk johnson.
Like i said (and it wont change) your a joke.
He was a 4 time "champion," because he would get a title, lose it ASAP, get it back. A champion DEFENDS their title successfully ;)(and i hope you're not counting his victory over John Ruiz as anything)
Holyfield fans need to quit ramming this "heart," garbage down everybody's throats. The guy was on the same client list for steroids as Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Rafael Palemero, and many other athletes that got busted for steroids, and he still lost 8 fights. Steroids do not equal "heart." The guy was a punching bag.
He lost to John Ruiz, Larry Donald, and was knocked out by feather fisted (at heavyweight) James Toney. In his so called prime, he lost 2 out of 3 to Riddick Bowe (who nobody considers an all time great) and was even knocked out by Michael Moorer. Hardly the resume of an "all time great," and certainly not one of the greatest heavyweight of all time ::**, which you stated he may be in your ridiculous, garbage post.
and for the record................. Lou Savaresse is a journeyman. Getting knocked out by Mike Tyson in the 1st round, and Kirk Johnson in the 4th round does not make him a "tough veteran. ;)"
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If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
That is my cheif concern as well. Its not this fight, its the fight after this that is really dangerous for him.
OK, I agree that Evander should avoid Sam Peter if he were to win this one, but Wlad hasn't really shown anything too recently to show he can really bang, and I wouldn't mind throwing a fiver on Holyifield as an outsider for that one. As for Vitali, we need to see how his return to the sport goes and whether he shows any rust.
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If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
That is my cheif concern as well. Its not this fight, its the fight after this that is really dangerous for him.
OK, I agree that Evander should avoid Sam Peter if he were to win this one, but Wlad hasn't really shown anything too recently to show he can really bang, and I wouldn't mind throwing a fiver on Holyifield as an outsider for that one. As for Vitali, we need to see how his return to the sport goes and whether he shows any rust.
Wlad, vitali and peter each have their fair share of power (vitali hitting the hardest of the three in question). Skills or lack there of aside, they hit hard and holyfield doesn't need that. After he gets this one he should try his hardest to get chagaev in a unification match and then just retire.
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If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
That is my cheif concern as well. Its not this fight, its the fight after this that is really dangerous for him.
OK, I agree that Evander should avoid Sam Peter if he were to win this one, but Wlad hasn't really shown anything too recently to show he can really bang, and I wouldn't mind throwing a fiver on Holyifield as an outsider for that one. As for Vitali, we need to see how his return to the sport goes and whether he shows any rust.
Wlad, vitali and peter each have their fair share of power (vitali hitting the hardest of the three in question). Skills or lack there of aside, they hit hard and holyfield doesn't need that. After he gets this one he should try his hardest to get chagaev in a unification match and then just retire.
Now you're thinking like Evander's agent my son! If it was purely about making the most money in the least dangerous fights, that would be the best path to choose, and he might do well to go that way, rather than go in against the real dangermen.
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If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
That is my cheif concern as well. Its not this fight, its the fight after this that is really dangerous for him.
OK, I agree that Evander should avoid Sam Peter if he were to win this one, but Wlad hasn't really shown anything too recently to show he can really bang, and I wouldn't mind throwing a fiver on Holyifield as an outsider for that one. As for Vitali, we need to see how his return to the sport goes and whether he shows any rust.
Wlad, vitali and peter each have their fair share of power (vitali hitting the hardest of the three in question). Skills or lack there of aside, they hit hard and holyfield doesn't need that. After he gets this one he should try his hardest to get chagaev in a unification match and then just retire.
Now you're thinking like Evander's agent my son! If it was purely about making the most money in the least dangerous fights, that would be the best path to choose, and he might do well to go that way, rather than go in against the real dangermen.
I get nervous everytime he gets in the ring and feel he's just a tragedy waiting to happen. The sooner he gets those two fights (win or lose) done the better.
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Holyfield is going to get blown out in this one.I know he looked pretty good in his last fight as well he should have fighting Savarese!I don't know how or why he should get this shot when there are a lot more deserving heavyweights in the top 10. ::**
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Holyfield is going to get blown out in this one.I know he looked pretty good in his last fight as well he should have fighting Savarese!I don't know how or why he should get this shot when there are a lot more deserving heavyweights in the top 10. ::**
Because Holyfield has worked his ass off and deserves his one last shot for what he has done for the sport and how many great fights he has given us this is his last chance and he deserves it.
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If Holyfield wins, I'm going to fear for his life in his next fight. Evander is probably crazy enough to think he can bang with Wlad, Vitali, or Sam, and those guys will destroy him. I love Evander, but I hate this comeback and I wish he would stay retired. I almost want to Ibragimov to win so he don't end up in the ring with Wlad.
That is my cheif concern as well. Its not this fight, its the fight after this that is really dangerous for him.
OK, I agree that Evander should avoid Sam Peter if he were to win this one, but Wlad hasn't really shown anything too recently to show he can really bang, and I wouldn't mind throwing a fiver on Holyifield as an outsider for that one. As for Vitali, we need to see how his return to the sport goes and whether he shows any rust.
Wlad, vitali and peter each have their fair share of power (vitali hitting the hardest of the three in question). Skills or lack there of aside, they hit hard and holyfield doesn't need that. After he gets this one he should try his hardest to get chagaev in a unification match and then just retire.
Now you're thinking like Evander's agent my son! If it was purely about making the most money in the least dangerous fights, that would be the best path to choose, and he might do well to go that way, rather than go in against the real dangermen.
I get nervous everytime he gets in the ring and feel he's just a tragedy waiting to happen. The sooner he gets those two fights (win or lose) done the better.
Cmon now, Evander is a grown man and can certainly take care of himself.
If things get rough in there and Ibragimov starts to land a lot of hard shots and holyfield takes them without throwing back....his corner will throw in the towel. His corner keeps a good eye on him especially now, I am sure.
But sultan aint no James Toney! I think EV will be a tough fight for sultan and I think this will be an exciting fight. Sultan will have to push himself very hard to win. This will be a very game fight which I think could go either way.
I dont think we have to worry about holy getting in the ring with either Klitschko bro or Peter. Now that would be something to worry about. But I dont think anyone would let it happen.
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Holyfield is going to get blown out in this one.I know he looked pretty good in his last fight as well he should have fighting Savarese!I don't know how or why he should get this shot when there are a lot more deserving heavyweights in the top 10. ::**
And comments like this are the reason I cant stand most Wlad Klitschko fans... Most arrogant, self righteous, presumptious, biased azz clowns that worship a china chinned, tentative pussy ::**
I'm sure you would have a problem with a prime Holyfield too... And dont kid yourself Evander in his prime he would mentally and physically breakdown your little hero and drown him in the deep waters if they ever fought prime for prime.
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knocked out by Michael Moorer.
I must of missed that fight ??? The 1st fight he lost a razor thin majority desicion and in the 2nd fight Evander beat the living piss out of him for a TKO
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knocked out by Michael Moorer.
I must of missed that fight ??? The 1st fight he lost a razor thin majority desicion and in the 2nd fight Evander beat the living piss out of him for a TKO
yup............ youre right.
i (for some reason) always thought moorer koed evander.
i stand corrected
