PACQUIAO CAN BE ANOTHER SUGAR RAY ROBINSON

LMFAO,CC on me brother Pacfan. You're entitled to your opinion but comparing Manny to SRR?? :o :o :-X :-X Seriously bro,that is shocking. However,I'll let this one slide ;D ;) :D You're still the man in Gamos' opinion.

That's exactly why I can't go against you, haha. Luv ya, pal. ;)

Pac has a looooooooooooong way to go before he even gets near SRR.

How long? :pointsnew:

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

No offense to anyone, but the idea that Pacquiao could be mentioned in the same sentence with Ray Robinson is one of the 2 or 3 most ridiculous things I've ever read.

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Pacquiao won't be another SRR, and there will never be. But I think we can mention them in the same sentence now.

It's funny how rediculous this thread was 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

No offense to anyone, but the idea that Pacquiao could be mentioned in the same sentence with Ray Robinson is one of the 2 or 3 most ridiculous things I've ever read.

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Pacquiao won't be another SRR, and there will never be. But I think we can mention them in the same sentence now.

It's funny how rediculous this thread was 2 years ago.

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Yep I agree he deserves to be talked about it that type of company now

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Originally Posted by pacfan

I did some googling and as expected, and not even surprisingly, I came up with a suberb article on this point which should settle this issue. 'THE SCHOLAR CONSIDERS: An Interview With Boxing Historian Herbert G. Goldman.

(mods: are we allowed to post links to The Cyber Boxing Zone)

This is an interview with probably the most notable Boxing historian who has a very extensive resume when it comes to boxing. He is Herbert G. Goldman, who is Chair of the Nominations Committee of the Boxing Hall of Fame, managing editor of the Ring Magazine during the 70's and the 80's, editor of three editions of Ring Record Book and Encyclopedia, past editor-in-chief of Boxing Digest (formerly Boxing Illustrated... [now who can argue with him, right? definitely not me]

This article starts with a quote: 'In which the expert insists that the average modern boxers whips the tar out of average old-timer, and provides reasoned arguments on other interesting questions.

But what the heck, this is definitely by far the longest interview I came across on the net so far and I had to skim through it a bit to find a place where he compares the old and the modern boxers and gives some very plausible reasons why the modern ones a better, actually almostly exactly what I've said earlier but in a more detailed manner like better training etc., etc. But the highlight of it all in relation to this thread is the statement by Mr. Goldman: And Sugar Ray Robinson, again an exceptional fighter, but I don't believe he would have a piece of cake with some of these modern fighters[!]

So there, I think that should clear the matter. And I'm a real good debator and never lost a debate and I believe I can beat some boxing writers too with my arguments cuz this ol' fool who call himself pacfan uses head not heart when he (that me of course) analyse boxers or fights.


So that should clear this issue, so I thought...

But...

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by miles

What a load of bollocks ::** :-\

Unbelievable.

Pac is a quality fighter, but he has his limits. He lost early in his career to nondescript opposition. SRR went unbeaten for an eternity and on the way beat quality fighters.

Pac has improved and beaten quality fighters too. But SRR's legacy far outweighs that of Pac. Its a silly argument.

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Totally agree. Like I said,there are opinions and then there is bullshit. This is bullshit.

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But... If my good friend El Gamo sez otherwise, I'll go with him, cuz he's the best out here and there is no way I can argue with him. He's just a step ahead of me and Icecoldboxing. ;D ;) ;)

All right, I lose :'( :'( :'(

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I agree average modern day boxers would beat average old timers. Actually it is unfair.... we learned from this old timers, better technique, nutrition, training.....

of course Kobe Bryant will beat Pistol Pete
Usain Bolt will beat Jessie Owens

Pac might beat him if they are the same weight, but SRR
is greater than Pac. What would happen if SRR has
the same training, nutrition ...... of this generation?

Even if he beats Floyd in the near future (which is impossible), he still won't be SRR. Nuff said.

The only present fighter that deserves to be mention along the lines of Robinson is Prince Nasem what a legend he was...

This thread is a testament to how visionary I am. LOL.


Ridiculed and laughed at, I stood my ground and patiently waited for the time my vision will come to pass....and now...... I'm vindicated after 2 years.


To Pac,

Thank you Pac for proving me right. You are now being talked in the same breath as SRR.

Mayweather compared himself to SRR but he doesn't have the guts to do it. That's why he will never be as great as SRR.

I compared you to SRR but you wouldn't allow yourself to be compared to the great SRR and because of that you deserve more than ever the honor of greatness alongside SRR. I don't believe in reincarnation, but you are the reincarnated SRR for me.:cool:

All you have to do now is KNOCK DOWN PBF before the 10th round and you will be GOAT for me and for many unbelievers.:lickish::lickish:

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Originally Posted by brucelee

This thread is a testament to how visionary I am. LOL.


Ridiculed and laughed at, I stood my ground and patiently waited for the time my vision will come to pass....and now...... I'm vindicated after 2 years.


To Pac,

Thank you Pac for proving me right. You are now being talked in the same breath as SRR.

Mayweather compared himself to SRR but he doesn't have the guts to do it. That's why he will never be as great as SRR.

I compared you to SRR but you wouldn't allow yourself to be compared to the great SRR and because of that you deserve more than ever the honor of greatness alongside SRR. I don't believe in reincarnation, but you are the reincarnated SRR for me.:cool:

All you have to do now is KNOCK DOWN PBF before the 10th round and you will be GOAT for me and for many unbelievers.:lickish::lickish:

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Dear God...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by brucelee

This thread is a testament to how visionary I am. LOL.


Ridiculed and laughed at, I stood my ground and patiently waited for the time my vision will come to pass....and now...... I'm vindicated after 2 years.


To Pac,

Thank you Pac for proving me right. You are now being talked in the same breath as SRR.

Mayweather compared himself to SRR but he doesn't have the guts to do it. That's why he will never be as great as SRR.

I compared you to SRR but you wouldn't allow yourself to be compared to the great SRR and because of that you deserve more than ever the honor of greatness alongside SRR. I don't believe in reincarnation, but you are the reincarnated SRR for me.:cool:

All you have to do now is KNOCK DOWN PBF before the 10th round and you will be GOAT for me and for many unbelievers.:lickish::lickish:

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Dear God...:rolleyes:

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yes purtyboy. You can continue with your hating now that Pacquaio is fighting your boy mayweather.

LOL. Aside from Pac vs Mayweather, this will become a fight between huggers.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by purtyboy

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Originally Posted by brucelee

This thread is a testament to how visionary I am. LOL.


Ridiculed and laughed at, I stood my ground and patiently waited for the time my vision will come to pass....and now...... I'm vindicated after 2 years.


To Pac,

Thank you Pac for proving me right. You are now being talked in the same breath as SRR.

Mayweather compared himself to SRR but he doesn't have the guts to do it. That's why he will never be as great as SRR.

I compared you to SRR but you wouldn't allow yourself to be compared to the great SRR and because of that you deserve more than ever the honor of greatness alongside SRR. I don't believe in reincarnation, but you are the reincarnated SRR for me.:cool:

All you have to do now is KNOCK DOWN PBF before the 10th round and you will be GOAT for me and for many unbelievers.:lickish::lickish:

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Dear God...:rolleyes:

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yes purtyboy. You can continue with your hating now that Pacquaio is fighting your boy mayweather.

LOL. Aside from Pac vs Mayweather, this will become a fight between huggers.

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LMFAO! We can agree on that

Obviously you cant compare the boxers of old to the current ones in terms of who would win a fight. Thats completely unfair to them. Practically every current NFL team (still not sold on the browns, loins lol) would beat the 85 bears or the 72 dolphins. But you can only be great relative to your time. No one dominated like those two teams did which is why they are considered to be two of the greatest of all time and not the 2009 steelers. And to whoever made the jesse owens comment, i dont know what track you've involved in but owens name is still revered. Hell, the reason why usain bolt is being talked so such levels is because hes destroying everyone LIKE jesse once did.

Manny is great but he's nowhere comparable to robinson. Robinson dominated many of the sports all time greats and was 40-0 before losing to another all time great in jake lamotta in a rematch who outweighed him by 16 pounds. and he still ended up beating him five of there six fights. Where as many of mannys big wins/fights have question marks surrounding them. The very arguable draw and narrow win against jmm, the old weight drain de la hoya, i wont even count ricky hatton lol and is cotto even the same fighter since margartio and without a real trainer.

We can put manny in the same sentence as robinson when over 60% of boxing analysist and reporters give him first place vote of greatest of all time, when practically every other LEGEND of the sport says your the greatest of all time like ali, lamotta, louis and leonard. or when he beats people of the same caliber of basilio, graziano, armstrong, etc.

Interesting how this topic could result in fixed positions that there will never be another Sugar Ray Robinson.

Of course there will never be another Sugar Ray.

Before Roberto Duran, I didn't think that any boxer could
equal Sugar Ray, Willie Pep and Henry Armstrong with
such greats as Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Eder Jofre and
Jimmy Wilde dancing in the shadows.

Then came Roberto Duran and where do we place him ahead of
Armstong and Pep or behind them.

Now Pacquiao leaves us wondering where he will end-up on the
top ten list of all time. There is still time for him to complete
his journey before placing him ahead of Robinson, Armstrong,
Pep, Ross or Canzoneri, but at this stage of the journey he should
be placed in the top ten. However, his defeating the "Mayflower"
is no guarantee for a top five spot.