Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them???....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU WACKO
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their a**...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is S*** I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their a**......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
I AM DONE WITH THESE BOARDS!!!....FOR THE SAME REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T STICK AROUND!!!!!...I LIKE 98% OF THE GUYS HERE AND THE BOARD HAS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE POSTERS ON THE NET HANDS DOWN BUT...THE 2%..THAT ARE A$$$$$$$$$ ARE ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY THE HELL WITH IT!!!!
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Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them???....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their a**...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is S*** I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their a**......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
I tend to agree with what u say. 3 millionwas a good purse for Hopkins in 2002, but u can bet your bottom dollar that absolutely everything else in the contract Warren offered would have been in Joe Calzaghes favor. The fight would have been where Warren wnated @168 and no doubt Joe would have made more than 3 million. So hopkins did exactly what he should have done and asked for more money. Warren refused and so Hopkins is scared of Calzaghe????
This is the same Hopkins who took inh arguably the greatest and most feared fighter of the last 15 years in RJJ and never took a backward step. How can a guy who fought the majority of his career at 160 yet fought the 175 champ (tarver) be scared to fight Joe C. If Hopkins was scared of anything it was bwing ripped off and maybe fighting Joe on unfair terms.
The next questions are when has Joe C ever fought anyone under their terms? At their home venue? And made less money? He has not.
So Daxx i coolclick you cos even tho u maybe got a bit fired up then i agree with everything u say. It is almost impossible to say a bad word against Joe C on this site without getting a heap of SC's and a massive amount of abuse from his fanboys. Him more than any other fighter mentioned on this site.
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
Well eagle think that is bit harsh and no i do not think Hopkins feared him but maybe he wanted a bigger fight then Joe or something because if he did lose it might of set him back not scared just did not think the risk reward leveled out i guess you could say
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
Bernard never ducked anyone really but he had good timing on fighting alot of people that is all i am going to say
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
And by thats all i am going to say i mean that is it for me not anyone else so wacko does not get confuse ok buddy
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them???....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their a**...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is S*** I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their a**......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
I tend to agree with what u say. 3 millionwas a good purse for Hopkins in 2002, but u can bet your bottom dollar that absolutely everything else in the contract Warren offered would have been in Joe Calzaghes favor. The fight would have been where Warren wnated @168 and no doubt Joe would have made more than 3 million. So hopkins did exactly what he should have done and asked for more money. Warren refused and so Hopkins is scared of Calzaghe????
This is the same Hopkins who took inh arguably the greatest and most feared fighter of the last 15 years in RJJ and never took a backward step. How can a guy who fought the majority of his career at 160 yet fought the 175 champ (tarver) be scared to fight Joe C. If Hopkins was scared of anything it was bwing ripped off and maybe fighting Joe on unfair terms.
The next questions are when has Joe C ever fought anyone under their terms? At their home venue? And made less money? He has not.
So Daxx i coolclick you cos even tho u maybe got a bit fired up then i agree with everything u say. It is almost impossible to say a bad word against Joe C on this site without getting a heap of SC's and a massive amount of abuse from his fanboys. Him more than any other fighter mentioned on this site.
Hopkins fought Roy Jones for $150,000
He wanted $6 million to fight Calzaghe
Says it all.
;D
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them???....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their ASS...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is shit I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their Ass......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
You need to lay off the sauce, old son ;D
Re: This was the real deal between Calzaghe and Hopkins in 2002!
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My man Daxx telling it like it is.
More like,
getting flustered and throwing a fit faced with the truth.
Truth hurts don't it ;D
If you believe that Hopkins or Roy Jones ever avoided Calzaghe and If you Believe one word Farank Warren says you are officially the biggest Calzaghe Nut Hugger in the world and more then likely Frank Warrens illegit child
Daxx, I don't mean to pick you up on your use of the facts here, but there are an awful lot of people on here who do believe the words of Warren, Don King, Joe Cazlaghe and others who were at that meeting in that Hopkins reneged on his verbal agreement for $3 million.
My point is, if we have 15 on this thread alone, it would be almost impossible for everyone who believes this to be the likely illegitimate child of Frank Warren. And speaking of children, that is a ridiculously petulant response there youngster.
Perhaps it is you who are Warren's illegit child, and are looking to undermine his business in the only way you can, by flinging muck on a forum read by a tiny percentage of the people likely to go to the Calzaghe fights?
Personally, both situations seem rather implausible...but you never know. ;)
Rhun we know the fight was rejected but it is the reasons why the camp of Warren and his people give that is pure BS!!!...Like I stated in my last post it was not rejected because Hopkins was avoiding Calzaghe...people hear this and all of a sudden it is ...Oh B-hop was soo scared to fight Calzaghe he turned down 3 million.....Are we kidding here??...Any man be it Hopkins or otherwise would fight 3 bears with steak's taped to their a** for 3 mil......It has nothing to do with the 3 mil it has to do with the fact he refused to let Warren and his team dictate the terms.....Period....
As far as King goes Hopkins fighting for him has nothing to do with it we all know King can care less about terms or what is right all he wants is his cut....
It just annoys the S*** out of me that guys think the fioght was turned down out of fear....
Do you have any actual fact of this? anywhere that it has been denied by hopkins? or is this just your opinion... i mean lets be honest, why would don King accept a fight in the first place if there were bullshit terms on it? i mean calzaghe had and signed his contract for the fight - if there was anything in there no F****** way would Dong King agree to it lol...
this is not just frank warren, this has been done a million times and people from Don king have confirmed all of this - Truth is daxx you have been very outspoke of calzaghe since i seen you post anythign to do with him, - these posts just seem like this FACT is to hard for you to accept because of what it means and goes against alot of what you have said before. This could mean you would have to change your outlook on calzaghe and warren.
Truth is i don't think Hopkins ducked calzaghe because he was scared of him, no not at all. But he sure as hell avoided him in that offer.
Personally think hopkins wanted alot me because he thought after the tito fight he would be getting $3m+ to fight EASY fighters, calzaghe could of beaten him, or if not beaten him it would of been a damn close fight that could of set hopkins back.
Preme read ALLL the post start to end!!!!!.....You will see that several times I stated that I do not deny the fact Hopkins set higher terms but the terms he set had nothing to do with Hopkins being scared to fight Calzaghe which is how this whole thing got started in the first place due to the fact people confuse politic's for someone ducking another guy......
Preme were cool and all but you need to get off the Calzaghe and Enzo bandwagons it is almost as if your whole world of boxing revolves around two fighters and you fail to look at anything other then how great those two are...
Seperate being a fan from a debate
The fact you ask why would King agree to the terms speaks for itself...Don King now and has Always only wanted the money PERIOD!!!!!
If someone offered one of his guys $1 mil to fight a band of ninja's while hogtied and blind folded King would agree
Because i'm welsh i shouldn't rate them? i mean i said time and time again barrera is my all time fav fighter and post on a load of other threads... If i was just a fan i would of said hopkins was scared of calzaghe that he was awsome etc etc...
I'm saying the same sort of things wacko is saying, he is but because he is not welsh its ok for him to say it, right?
Every thread you have gone to speak out agasint calzaghe you leave nothing to debate, you make each post as if your word is final, you don't alow anyone else to have an opinion or even be right about something.
You talk about terms and what not about the fight, i said about King because the terms people hinted at about what warren has done is about promotional rights over the other guy if he wins, for it to be in Joes back yard... King would not put hopkins in there with bullshit terms. this fight fell through purly down to hopkins wanted 6million, that is fact.
Don't thnk I said anything about you being Welsh and not being able to rate Calzaghe....BTW Look on page one of this thread I was not the first to say the comment to you about REFUSING to believe Calzaghe is anything but the greatest thing since sliced bread in a bag...Except I have more respect for you then they did because they put it in a more rude manner....
As far as my thinking my word is final...Am I just supposed to be lik...Well OK Guys your right what was I thinking :dunce:...your even trying to use Don King as a way to defend Warren even AFTER I mentioned what a slime King is himself...again that shows you are only reading what you want....
If you really want to start getting into a debate on why I do not think Calzaghe is as great as his followers think we can break down resumes...quality of opp that each man has beaten in their prime their opponents win loss % ect...if that what you prefer to do....
Don't even bother answering fools like that, but when your first post is along the lines of "If anyone thinks hopkins turned down 3mill to fight clazaghe back then is an a**" when everything points to that - its a bit wrong mate.
btw daxx, check out the calzaghe v kessler, cotto vs mosley and hatton v PBf threa don our setion mate... by smash.. sheers
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Daxx,
Whilst you and Preme can get into the semantics of what each of you said, the basic fact which is at the bottom of this whole argument, and which you have failed to provide an answer for is this:
Bernard Hopkins had said that he wanted $3 million to fight Calzaghe and wanted the fight in the states. Warren offered that to him, and then when our Mr Hopkins hears that offer, he decides to up his demands to $6 million.
The one thing you have failed to answer is why he decided to up his offer, except for your assertion that it was because he wanted to dictate the terms of their meeting. The flaw there, is that he had already dictated the terms in a fight in the states at $3 million. All you've put forward still fails to answer why Hopkins reneged on the deal he'd demanded.
Answer me that, if you will, Mr Kahn.
I have stated it several times Rhun...Hopkins decided he did not want to let them dictate the terms...The 3 mil was not Hopkins price it was their offer...did he accept is at fisrt yes...but then rethought it.....He decided that there were enough games and negotiation BS and enough of things having to be done their way....Let me ask you this how many times did they go into negotiations then Calzaghes people decide the terms agreed upon was not to their liking?.....Hopkins is the bad guy for giving them a taste of their own medicine??...
Now leave me ask you this why is it that no matter who Calzaghe and his people seem to negotiate with it seems to be a never ending problem?.....EVERY FIGHTER!!!....If Kessler did not decide to say the hell with it I'll go to Him and fight the bout they would not be fighting on the 3rd....Really sit and think...name a fighter who has not had theese problems with them???....Calzaghe and his people....(and again I only say Calzaghe because it is his camp but in reality he does none of the negotiations....A reason why I went on the Warren tangent last night) Have earned a reputation as being the hardest people in boxing to make a deal with....
After a while Rhun it can't be everyone else thats the problem especially when these guys seem to make fights with other camps with no such road blocks.....Or is it another case of everyone is AFRAID of Calzaghe?
But now I have answered your question why has someone not answered mine?
How does Hopkins changing his price equal him avoiding Calzaghe?...How does this mean he is just trying to do what ever he can not to fight Joe?....anyone explain this to me,,,,the fear Hopkins has in Calzaghe?.....
Everyone is afraid of the man who can land 1000 punches but not get the KO?
I aint tryin gang up on ya...but both men have the exact same number of knockouts & close to the same amount of fights give or take four or five bouts.
Here's my thing...I have never known Hopkins to run from a challenge. Never...but when you agree to a bout...when you say YES to $3 mill & then a few days down the stretch switch up to $6 mill...that don't swing in your favor. It just does not.
Joe has always been regarded as a danger man by all around his weight. Hopkins & Jones both have spoken of Joe both respectfully & disrespectfully. Both have wanted him on their terms...& Warren has pushed his terms & it has made for difficult...almost impossible terms. Now...Hopkins is his own man 100%. He has the ability to do whatever & whenever for what ever amount he wants.
Now he wants Joe...now that Joe is the name...now that Joe has the lead on defenses...now that Joe is regarded as one of the best in the game...Bernard wants to make the match happen.
That in turn should also speak some bounds...especially off of what he said during the Maskaev fight.
The fight wasn't worth his time when he thought he was gonna get Maskaev...that fell through & now Joe is top of the page.
I love Hopkins...but he is well known for being IMPOSSIBLE at the negotiation points of the game.
THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU WACKO
You know what Wacko and this has nothing to do with you...But I am disgusted with 99% of the Calzaghe fans on this board....every Calzaghe fan I have debated with has spoke out of their a**...Not one single person on this board who wants to give Calzaghe a hand job AND THERE IS A F****** LOT OF THEM!!!!! Ha answered my question...they all sated how they want to blow Calzaghe and be Warrens B****** but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
I rarely EVER go off like this but this is S*** I expect from ESB or Boxing Scene boards not here.....
So they can Sad Click me,, they can make comments,,,they can say truth hurts...I don't care...I hope I log on tommorow and have a 1000 sad clicks....
Each one who makes a comment and each one who has not answered how Hopkins avoided Calzaghe in fear of being beaten by him due to deciding to say screww you Now I want 6mil are the same guys who take showers at night wishing Calzaghe was in their mouth and Warren in their a**......
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
I AM DONE WITH THESE BOARDS!!!....FOR THE SAME REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T STICK AROUND!!!!!...I LIKE 98% OF THE GUYS HERE AND THE BOARD HAS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE POSTERS ON THE NET HANDS DOWN BUT...THE 2%..THAT ARE A$$$$$$$$$ ARE ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY THE HELL WITH IT!!!!
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Easy on there Daxx, all the likes of preme, rhun and fenster are doing are defending one of their favourite fighters, just like you are defending B-hop on this thread. Every single Calzaghe thread attracts a legion of morons (not talking about you) who only want to talk shit by calling Joe a coward and everything else just to wind people up, without any facts to back up their comments. All the JC supporters are trying to do is defend their man against some unjustified abuse, we're not bothered if someone doesn't rate his ability or anything, everyone's right to an opinion, but the aim of this particular thread (I think!) is to try to prove that Joe isn't a stay at home coward.
I'm not particularly happy with all the fights that Warren has arranged for him, but the fact remains that there are only two fighters worth mentioning in around his division over the last decade he hasn't fought (Roy, Bernard), and this thread is to show that it wasn't all Joe's doing that they didn't happen. You've had a long rant on how Joe and Warren are tough to negotiate with, yet you can't see the hypocrisy in your argument by using B-hop and Roy as examples, even though they are just as tough to negotiate with if not worse, we were robbed of one of the most meaningful superfights of this generation because they both had too much egoes to compromise.
You don't criticise B-hop for wanting his own terms in a Calzaghe fight, yet you have a litle dig on how Mikkel has to travel to Wales to fight Joe. The Lacy and Kessler fights happened in Wales because Joe was number one and they were challenging, and when Joe/Warren negotiated with B-hop, they recognised that Bernard held the cards and were willing to go to his country for the fight, as it should happen.
To answer your question, I don't think for one second that B-hop upped his demands because he was afraid of Joe, he upped it for the same reason Warren demands a lot when Joe fights, because he wanted to get the absolute best deal for his fighter, just as any other promoter would.
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If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
:coolclick: :appl: Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha ha!!! Now that right there was funny as hell!!!
Very well stated.
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I AM DONE WITH THESE BOARDS!!!....FOR THE SAME REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T STICK AROUND!!!!!...I LIKE 98% OF THE GUYS HERE AND THE BOARD HAS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE POSTERS ON THE NET HANDS DOWN BUT...THE 2%..THAT ARE A$$$$$$$$$ ARE ENOUGH FOR ME TO SAY THE HELL WITH IT!!!!
Now don't be like that. Don't bail out based on a few people's blind devotion.
Your'e to valueable to the board...& believe it or not...when you stop & think about it...so are the blind devotees. If we didn't have unrequited love for our fighters then they wouldn't have fans...couldn't get paid...& we have no boxing...period.
Don't be done with the boards...just recognize that there are some arguements that you can't win...some you can...& others that win, lose, or draw...your know your right...or will be proven wrong...but either way...it doesn't make a damn.
Don't bail.
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And by thats all i am going to say i mean that is it for me not anyone else so wacko does not get confuse ok buddy
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I reckon Daxx was still drunk as fuck when he edited his post to announce his leaving.
He'll be alright when he sobers up ;D
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Glad you understand wacko and i like the different stuff with the faces were you get those
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but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
First off Daxx, have a beer, smoke a joint, and chill the f**k out. I believed it wasn't your question which was never answered, but mine. I never said I believe Hopkins fears Calzaghe per se, I just said that I don't buy the excuse that you're putting forward for Hopkins doubling his demands. He is offered a sum of money, accepts it, and after thinking about it decides to double his demands. And by "bulls**t games", do you mean agreeing to fight in the USA and offering him a career high purse in a catchweight fight that would not affect the status of Hopkins' title? Because they don't fall into my definition of "bulls**t games". And as Bomp says, Hopkins and Jones are just as bad for negotiation as are the Calzaghe camp, as shown by this episode.
And for the record, I have never given Frank Warren nor Joe Calzaghe a blowjob, nor am I either man's bitch. Should Joe lose on Saturday, I will not commit suicide nor write him a letter asking to massage his nuts. I'll probably go home, have a couple of beers, and talk over the fight with some mates. Possibly come on here, and talk about it some too.
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but not one answered my question....
EXPLAIN TO ME EXACTLY HOW HOPKINS FEARS CALZAGHE BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO SAY THE HELL WITH YOU GUYS YOU LIKE TO PLAY BULLSHIT GAMES THEN I WANT 6MILLION NOW F**** THE 3 I AGREED UPON....Or have they showed me one example of where Hopkins was scared or how he was scared to fight Calzaghe....It was politics and that was that!!! trying to even get a debate with a Calzaghe fan is impossible!!!!......I have heard guys on these boards claim...not in this exact thread but guys I have argued with on this thread...claim Calzaghe would have destroyed Roy Jones at 168 if they met prime for prime.....
Hopkins was supposed to give up his belt or waste his time with Calzaghe because Warren and Joe said so and the fans here who are rubbing themselves right this minute with pictures of Calzaghe wishing they could clean his underwear for a living....
I will not debate with another Calzaghe fan here again....Everyone can cry and say what they want but fact is just as they claim Hopkins, Jones, Tyson, Lewis, Ali Marciano and everyone else avoids Calzaghe and half those guys retired over 25yrs ago or more and not even in the SMW division.......My question was not answered...PERIOD!!!!!
If Kessler beats Joe next week what will they do then?? Half will commit suicide the other half send him letters asking if they can massage his nuts....
First off Daxx, have a beer, smoke a joint, and chill the f**k out. I believed it wasn't your question which was never answered, but mine. I never said I believe Hopkins fears Calzaghe per se, I just said that I don't buy the excuse that you're putting forward for Hopkins doubling his demands. He is offered a sum of money, accepts it, and after thinking about it decides to double his demands. And by "bulls**t games", do you mean agreeing to fight in the USA and offering him a career high purse in a catchweight fight that would not affect the status of Hopkins' title? Because they don't fall into my definition of "bulls**t games". And as Bomp says, Hopkins and Jones are just as bad for negotiation as are the Calzaghe camp, as shown by this episode.
And for the record, I have never given Frank Warren nor Joe Calzaghe a blowjob, nor am I either man's bitch. Should Joe lose on Saturday, I will not commit suicide nor write him a letter asking to massage his nuts. I'll probably go home, have a couple of beers, and talk over the fight with some mates. Possibly come on here, and talk about it some too.
Interestingly enough the part of the story that makes it BS has allready been pointed out,and missed.
King isnt Hopkins promoter,and Bernard doesnt like him a little bit,so there is no way hed have been negotiating with King as his prole promotional representitive
Its a BS story,but the Calzeghe people would love for it to be true,because that way Joe hasnt dodged anyone,they dodged him.
Bernard wouldnt have done it at the time,he wanted the record for consecutive title defenses,and even if he had tried,King wouldnt have been his Promotional Representive
