Challenge to the Mayweather Haters and Cotto supporters

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Majesty Wrote

And Cotto fighting Mosley was a close and hard fight and Cotto didnt "beat the crap" out of Mosley and he didn't dominate him either, Cotto won the fight but it wasn't a domination. Much like his fight with Malignaggi wasnt a domination either but Cotto fans try to make it sound like it.

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You silly little boy lover.
It was a Unanimous Decision.
Did you see Shane's face?
Both side swollen, ruptured ear drum.

Now you say Paulie was not owned?
What fight were you watching?
Unanimous Decision
judge: Don Trella 115-112 | judge: Glenn Feldman 116-111 | judge: Peter Trematerra 116-111 ~
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/509...gnaggi9tz6.jpg
If that aint the face of someone getting owned, I don't know what is.
Cotto beat this fool with one hand.
;D
Imagine what would have happend to him had Cotto not broke his hand? LMAO
Sit the hell down Majesty and go find some little boy to lie to.
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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

Urkal was a mandatory.

Cotto has been a Welter a little over a year. Floyd has been a Welter for more than 2 years.

Cotto wanted to fight Margarito but Tony said he would fight Williams instead.

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You got that right Danny.


and about the comments of Boxing backwads it also takes talent but is a bit easier for counter punching

dang! that Malinaggi picture is priceless. He definitely got owned. I had to add to save that one. Thanks man.

I too am going to save that picture.

Miguel Cotto has damaged damn near every opponent he's been in the ring with.
I don't mean KO them, I mean he has cut, bruised and broken the bones of nearly everyone he's faced. I just realised that watching a highlight reel there.

That picture almost made me puke my guts out. DAAAAAMMMMMNNN

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Originally Posted by Floyd_Fears_Cotto

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Maj.

In regards to HBO's comments about the Floyd/ Oscar fight & also your gripe with 'Contradictions' and such....


Cotto dosent go round calling himself the greatest. So when he beats shane Mosley (a guy who is probably still nearer his prime than Dela Hoya and actually was probably a better fighter in his peak to boot) its fairly justifiable to pick holes in Mayweathers win when he calls himself the greatest in actually acheiving less than what Cotto had in his win. Mayweather out Punched the 'Puncher' Cotto out boxed the 'Boxer'. IMO they both deserve great credit for there respective wins.... But i just feel Floyd is reaping the benifits for having a big mouth...

Then again maybe of Cotto went around calling himself the greatest Welterweight, the fight might actually happen (i say that because i would love to put money down that it doesn't).

Also what you said about Cotto being safe from the kind of persecution Floyd gets for the fighters he has faced... Ive saod it before and i'll say it again. Cotto IMO has only just been really let off the leash by Arum and has only just broken into the big wideworld of superstardom. He is at a completely diferent point in his career to Floyd so that sort of Critism was nullified by the fact that his promoter was controlling him maybe in a protective way.

As of this moment (well, as of 11th Nov) Cotto is wide open to critism. However, I dont think Cotto will fall guilty of failing to provide fan-freindly fights (all parties permiting of course).

I know its about more than just fan-freindly fights but, when your already the champ, what more can you do?
...What more should you do? ;)

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Dude. I am not even phuking with Michael Jackson anymore. I stopped reading when he quit understanding.

Urkal was a mandatory.

Cotto has been a Welter a little over a year. Floyd has been a Welter for more than 2 years.

Cotto wanted to fight Margarito but Tony said he would fight Williams instead.

He is trying to turn this thing around just like his boy the Real Michael Jackson.
Asking the world what is wrong about a grown man sleeping with little boys.
And then sitting there and trying to justify his reasons as to why it is ok.
It's not ok, no matter what you say.

As far as I am concerned, Majesty can think he is totaly right about the nonesense he replied to but I am not wasting my time. I answered and now he just wants to argue things I already answered and made clear to him and it's as though he never read it.

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The reason you didn't respond is because you couldnt :)

If you read the whole thing I said more then that, much more.

Maj,most of your points go out of the window when you try to ask silly questions like why doesn't Cotto fight so and so. Firstly,Floyd is P4P number 1 and the lineal champ at 147,so it's his responsibility to the fight the best.The standards will be higher for him. Secondly,,Cotto has been at WW for what,a year and fought Urkal,Quintana,Zab and Shane. That is MASSIVELY impressive and he would have fought and may fight: Clottey/Marg/Cintron. How the hell can you criticise that? The rest of your points,well I have zero idea what they are about and how they are relevant!

If this basically boils down to you getting annoyed at Danny G for making Floyd threads,or sorry,anti-Floyd threads,it's all a bit pointless¬ ;D

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Maj,most of your points go out of the window when you try to ask silly questions like why doesn't Cotto fight so and so. Firstly,Floyd is P4P number 1 and the lineal champ at 147,so it's his responsibility to the fight the best.The standards will be higher for him.

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So you're saying that Floyd is p4p so he should fight these guys instead of Cotto? Come on do you actually really believe the reason Cotto hasnt fought those guys is because Floyd is p4p number 1? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Secondly,,Cotto has been at WW for what,a year and fought Urkal,Quintana,Zab and Shane. That is MASSIVELY impressive and he would have fought and may fight: Clottey/Marg/Cintron. How the hell can you criticise that?

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Easily, because Floyd already beat Zab Judah. Quintana was basically untested and Urkal was a 140 pound champion. And my point isnt to critisize, my point in saying that was to show you that his opposition it can be easily critisized if you want to critisize Floyd for fighting Baldomir Oscar and Hatton in that same time-frame. It works both ways. I could easily ask you whens the last time Shane Mosley held a title?

People say "Cotto has only been at welterweight a little while" then in the same sentence again say he should fight Mayweather. That doesnt make any sense, because if Mayweather beat Cotto people would say "Cotto is just starting out at Welterweight."

Here's a question for you. How many champs did Cotto take the title from?

3 of Floyd's last 4 matches

Judah(champ but political reason), Baldomir(undispiuted champ so that ended that), Oscar(in Oscar's weight class), and now Ricky Hatton.

How can people critisize that?

Floyd is showing why his legacy is ligit. He's already made his legacy so what else does he have to prove? All these other guys mentioned have yet to even make their legacy and the only reason you want Floyd to fight them is so they can build a legacy off of his name, you say it best when you say that 147 is one of the most talented divisions, but Floyd's already made his legacy and beat who he needed to beat to make it. Cotto Clottey Williams and Cintron have yet to make their legacy and should build it fighting each other then mention Floyd Mayweather's name.

I think Mayweather said it best when he said "It's not my responsibility to fight everyone, I'm already on top, they have to fight for the opportunity to get in my spot."

so why don't you let them do that instead of throwing Mayweather's name out there every 5 seconds and using "He's p4p number one" as an excuse for it.

I know you understood that Jetson :)

Maj, i have to agree with you on one thing. I think all boxers should try to keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths.

Mayweather IS the linear champ but its obvious that, at this stage of his career, he is a law unto himself, meaning he simply wont oblige run of the mill challenges (note; not challengers ;) )

Besides, i have serious reservations on him
a) Fighting a top 5 Welter
or
b) Ever fighting again.

I just dont see him doing it against the big boys of the division.


I mean lets look at Mayweathers last 4 fights, the ones that supposedly ''showed why his legacy is ligit''

Judah, although is still IMO a world class operator, is not (actually never) winning key fights.

Baldomir is a tough fight for mentally frail, chinny or old shot fighter but will never achieve anything in his life except for beating Judah. Who as ive already said, losses key fights.

Dela Hoya The sports most decorated fighter and a garunteed life making paycheck. But lets be honset, Molsey beat him nearly 10 years ago and Cotto, Williams and Margarito would probably beat him now.... That could be up for serious debate but im ready ;D

Hatton... Well, as much as it pains me to say this. If Hatton looked that small against Mayweather then im probably right in saying that the entire top 10 of the WW division would beat him.



Now on the face of things, these four fights look very very decent but really, Maywether has NOT faced the TOP guys at Welterweight. As a Welterweight himself. As the Worlds premier fighter. For whatever reason. That is the fact of the matter.
I know Cotto is yet to also... But you can bet your life he will.

P.S Judah wasn't Mayweathers 1st fight at Welter, it was Shamba Mitchell ;)

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Maj,most of your points go out of the window when you try to ask silly questions like why doesn't Cotto fight so and so. Firstly,Floyd is P4P number 1 and the lineal champ at 147,so it's his responsibility to the fight the best.The standards will be higher for him.

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So you're saying that Floyd is p4p so he should fight these guys instead of Cotto? Come on do you actually really believe the reason Cotto hasnt fought those guys is because Floyd is p4p number 1? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Secondly,,Cotto has been at WW for what,a year and fought Urkal,Quintana,Zab and Shane. That is MASSIVELY impressive and he would have fought and may fight: Clottey/Marg/Cintron. How the hell can you criticise that?

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Easily, because Floyd already beat Zab Judah. Quintana was basically untested and Urkal was a 140 pound champion. And my point isnt to critisize, my point in saying that was to show you that his opposition it can be easily critisized if you want to critisize Floyd for fighting Baldomir Oscar and Hatton in that same time-frame. It works both ways. I could easily ask you whens the last time Shane Mosley held a title?

People say "Cotto has only been at welterweight a little while" then in the same sentence again say he should fight Mayweather. That doesnt make any sense, because if Mayweather beat Cotto people would say "Cotto is just starting out at Welterweight."

Here's a question for you. How many champs did Cotto take the title from?

3 of Floyd's last 4 matches

Judah(champ but political reason), Baldomir(undispiuted champ so that ended that), Oscar(in Oscar's weight class), and now Ricky Hatton.

How can people critisize that?

Floyd is showing why his legacy is ligit. He's already made his legacy so what else does he have to prove? All these other guys mentioned have yet to even make their legacy and the only reason you want Floyd to fight them is so they can build a legacy off of his name, you say it best when you say that 147 is one of the most talented divisions, but Floyd's already made his legacy and beat who he needed to beat to make it. Cotto Clottey Williams and Cintron have yet to make their legacy and should build it fighting each other then mention Floyd Mayweather's name.

I think Mayweather said it best when he said "It's not my responsibility to fight everyone, I'm already on top, they have to fight for the opportunity to get in my spot."

so why don't you let them do that instead of throwing Mayweather's name out there every 5 seconds and using "He's p4p number one" as an excuse for it.

I know you understood that Jetson :)

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Originally Posted by The Grinch

Maj, i have to agree with you on one thing. I think all boxers should try to keep Mayweather's name out of their mouths.

Mayweather IS the linear champ but its obvious that, at this stage of his career, he is a law unto himself, meaning he simply wont oblige run of the mill challenges (note; not challengers ;) )

Besides, i have serious reservations on him
a) Fighting a top 5 Welter
or
b) Ever fighting again.

I just dont see him doing it against the big boys of the division.


I mean lets look at Mayweathers last 4 fights, the ones that supposedly ''showed why his legacy is ligit''

Judah, although is still IMO a world class operator, is not (actually never) winning key fights.

Baldomir is a tough fight for mentally frail, chinny or old shot fighter but will never achieve anything in his life except for beating Judah. Who as ive already said, losses key fights.

Dela Hoya The sports most decorated fighter and a garunteed life making paycheck. But lets be honset, Molsey beat him nearly 10 years ago and Cotto, Williams and Margarito would probably beat him now.... That could be up for serious debate but im ready ;D

Hatton... Well, as much as it pains me to say this. If Hatton looked that small against Mayweather then im probably right in saying that the entire top 10 of the WW division would beat him.



Now on the face of things, these four fights look very very decent but really, Maywether has NOT faced the TOP guys at Welterweight. As a Welterweight himself. As the Worlds premier fighter. For whatever reason. That is the fact of the matter.
I know Cotto is yet to also... But you can bet your life he will.

P.S Judah wasn't Mayweathers 1st fight at Welter, it was Shamba Mitchell ;)

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CC Grinch. ;)

Safe G ;)

:coolclick: to you & Maj. Good thread.

In the video verse Corly Mechant said "that wasnt a knock down he went down own his own accord" WTF? When was taking a knee not been ruled a knock down ,MECHANT IS AN IDIOT! He went down because he had enough beating and wanted it to stop..IT WAS A KNOCKDOWN!

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Originally Posted by winscomeez

In the video verse Corly Mechant said "that wasnt a knock down he went down own his own accord" WTF? When was taking a knee not been ruled a knock down ,MECHANT IS AN IDIOT! He went down because he had enough beating and wanted it to stop..IT WAS A KNOCKDOWN!

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I have a friend who recently won the European amateur title. In the third round he got extemely hard and felt he was in danger of being stopped. He took a knee. Took the subsequent 8 count and went on to win a UD. Boxers need tactics.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant c*** who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid a** mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the F*** out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. F*** Hatton. He got what he F****** deserved.

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Well said VD, Hatton is an arrogant prick that got exposed as the fraud he is!

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Originally Posted by winscomeez

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by leftylee

The reason I don't like Mayweather is because he is one cocky arrogant c*** who has to much money he does'nt know what to do with it.

I would back Cotto if he faced Mayweather but Mayweather would beat him IMO.

I can prove what I said at the top as why don't I like Paulie " am the man" Malignaggi you think. He needs to get KNFO soon to shut his mouth up and thats why i'll always respect Cotto for putting him on his pants.

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You make it seem like Hatton isn't arrogant. Just look at the 24/7 series and see all the bullshit he was talking. Even his stupid a** mom was talking nonsense. Not to mention Hatton pathetic comments after he got knocked the F*** out. Trying to blame the ref and making it seem like the outcome could of been different. F*** Hatton. He got what he F****** deserved.

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Well said VD, Hatton is an arrogant prick that got exposed as the fraud he is!

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The best Light Welter on the planet is a fraud?