Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff
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ICB
Well everyone says Sharmba Mitchell was a shot fighter when he fought Mayweather, and Mitchell fought Mayweather not long his 2nd bout with Tszyu. So if we are using that logic then Mitchell was indeed a shot fighter when he fought Tszyu correct ??
Tszyu made Mitchell shot a round quicker than Floyd could at the higher weight;D
Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff
It's extremely funny to me how the fans of Ricky Hatton, one of the dirtiest fighters in the world, are crying and whining about what Floyd did in the fight. Floyd got away with some questionable stuff but every fighter gets the benefit of the doubt at one point. Lord knows, Hatton has. Hatton talked almost as big a game as Floyd Mayweather going into the fight, saying Floyd wasn't a big puncher, a pussy, and would run all night. Well Floyd roughed his ass up and then knocked him the fuck out. Why can't you Hatton fans and Ricky Hatton himself for that matter just deal with it and move on? You can cry for EVEN MORE months about Floyd's illegal tactics, whatever, Floyd didn't knock Hatton out with a forearm or by ducking down. Hatton was rushing Floyd and he just got caught clean on the chin. Stop acting like Hatton is even on Floyd's level anymore. I know you'd still like to believe that but he's not. Let's face it, EVEN Zab "I can't fight a full 12 rounds" Judah lasted 12 rounds with Floyd. Hatton needs to stop binge drinking and eating and get his life and career back on path and stay dedicated to the sport year-round. Then he needs to go face the guy who's calling him out, Junior Witter, before Hatton becomes the British version of Antonio Tarver. A loud mouth with delusions of grandeur whose only claim to fame came from one shocking win over an aging, past his prime star (Tszyu).
Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Sorry but your first comment makes no real sense to me. just because Hopkins is still fighting at a high level while he is in 40's, doesn't compare with Kostya Tszyu. Because every human being is different just because one boxer can fight well at an old age doesn't mean another boxer can. Take Bowe for example he was a shot fighter at only 28. The fact is Tszyu was old in boxing standards, and plus with all the inactivity that just makes it even worse.
Castillo had spent most of his career at Lightweight, clearly when he fought Herman he wasn't comfortable at that weight or he was shot its one of the two take your pick.
Well everyone says Sharmba Mitchell was a shot fighter when he fought Mayweather, and Mitchell fought Mayweather not long his 2nd bout with Tszyu. So if we are using that logic then Mitchell was indeed a shot fighter when he fought Tszyu correct ?? so beating a shot Sharmba Mitchell doesn't really mean much does it ?? plus Mitchell was never that good in the first place. Yes he had some skills and was a decent champion but thats about it. And plus Kostya Tszyu had already beat Mitchell before so what did it really prove beating Mitchell again ?? I have different opinion on the matter to you so its pointless keep discussing Tszyu situation. Hatton beat a great fighter and it was one of Hatton's best performance's, IMO Tszyu was past his best but you believe different so i'll leave it at that.
ODLH had some of his best performances at Light Middleweight, his loss to Hopkins and his controversial decision against Sturm were all at Middleweight where he had flab around midsection. He comeback and destroyed Mayorga in impressive fashion, in fact ODLH's only loss at Light Middleweight at that time was to Shane Mosley in whicn most people thought ODLH won. And lets not forget on fight night ODLH was almost 1 stone heavier than Mayweather, and Mayweather was the one moving up to a weight class he had never fought at before so you cannot compare that to Hattpn vs Tszyu, ODLH was past his best but he wasn't as shot as Tszyu was. In fact the ODLH who fought Mayweather was the best ODLH i had seen in quite awhile. And come off it Ono don't tell me you honestly believe Mayweather only beat ODLH by SD ?? most people see Mayweather clearly winning the fight 8-4, 7-5 or 7-4-1. The punchstats were big in Mayweather's favor and he just out boxed ODLH in the end it wasn't that close and if you honestly believe it was then you need to rewatch the fight because it wasn't close.
Collazo was an unknown and was the weakest belt holder at Welterweight if i remember rightly ?? it was supposed to be an easy belt for Hatton to pick up to make his claim at Welterweight, but it didn't work out that way as we all know.
I'll let you have the notion that Tszyu wasn't at his absolute best, but (and i think you'll agree with me here) i believe he would have struggled with Hatton even if he was 25. The swarming style has always given him toruble. I don't think he was shot by any means still so we'll have to agree to disagree (i hate that saying).
Same with Castillo.....i don't think he was shot. We'll have to reserve judgement on him for now. Let's see how he goes on against Bradley. Maybe it will give an indication of how much he has left.
The Hopkins and ODLH analogies were just sly digs at your reasoning. I was trying to explain that i would rather look out how the fighter was performing on the night, rather than his age or inactivity when deciding if i think he is shot or not.
And i agree that Mayweather won comfortably. It was just the most obvious example that i could use. ( ODLH had been about as active as Tszyu, similar age, but he still looked good).
And yeh the Collazo move backfired. I think any move to welterweight was and still is a dumb move on Hatton's part. Maybe the pro's outweighed the cons for the Mayweather fight :-\.
Anyway i think we can see where eachother is coming from and we obviously have slightly different opinions on the matter. Good debate mate ;)
Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff
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Originally Posted by
albsur2006
It's extremely funny to me how the fans of Ricky Hatton, one of the dirtiest fighters in the world, are crying and whining about what Floyd did in the fight. Floyd got away with some questionable stuff but every fighter gets the benefit of the doubt at one point. Lord knows, Hatton has. Hatton talked almost as big a game as Floyd Mayweather going into the fight, saying Floyd wasn't a big puncher, a pussy, and would run all night. Well Floyd roughed his ass up and then knocked him the fuck out. Why can't you Hatton fans and Ricky Hatton himself for that matter just deal with it and move on? You can cry for EVEN MORE months about Floyd's illegal tactics, whatever, Floyd didn't knock Hatton out with a forearm or by ducking down. Hatton was rushing Floyd and he just got caught clean on the chin. Stop acting like Hatton is even on Floyd's level anymore. I know you'd still like to believe that but he's not. Let's face it, EVEN Zab "I can't fight a full 12 rounds" Judah lasted 12 rounds with Floyd. Hatton needs to stop binge drinking and eating and get his life and career back on path and stay dedicated to the sport year-round. Then he needs to go face the guy who's calling him out, Junior Witter, before Hatton becomes the British version of Antonio Tarver. A loud mouth with delusions of grandeur whose only claim to fame came from one shocking win over an aging, past his prime star (Tszyu).
I don't think there is any chance of him turning into Antonio Tarver,
I pretty much thought Hatton had moved on. I don't actually recall him moaning about being ruffed up anyway. He said it happened, but he would have done the same. Thats analysing, not moaning. There's a difference.
Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff
What I dont get is that Hattons Fans moan and whine about how he got a raw deal with the ref in the fight against PBF, yet the biggest win of his career (kostya) was one of the most biased refereeing jobs in history. Hatton was allowed to hug, cuddle, wrestle, low blow as much as he liked and not a word was said by the ref.
My point is when the ref is on Hattons side its ok, but as soon as a few things dont go his way the opposing fighter is a cheat and the ref should be made to retire.
Re: Witter calling Hatton's bluff
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Originally Posted by
ono
I'll let you have the notion that Tszyu wasn't at his absolute best, but (and i think you'll agree with me here) i believe he would have struggled with Hatton even if he was 25. The swarming style has always given him toruble. I don't think he was shot by any means still so we'll have to agree to disagree (i hate that saying).
Same with Castillo.....i don't think he was shot. We'll have to reserve judgement on him for now. Let's see how he goes on against Bradley. Maybe it will give an indication of how much he has left.
The Hopkins and ODLH analogies were just sly digs at your reasoning. I was trying to explain that i would rather look out how the fighter was performing on the night, rather than his age or inactivity when deciding if i think he is shot or not.
And i agree that Mayweather won comfortably. It was just the most obvious example that i could use. ( ODLH had been about as active as Tszyu, similar age, but he still looked good).
And yeh the Collazo move backfired. I think any move to welterweight was and still is a dumb move on Hatton's part. Maybe the pro's outweighed the cons for the Mayweather fight :-\.
Anyway i think we can see where eachother is coming from and we obviously have slightly different opinions on the matter. Good debate mate ;)
Oh i agree with your first comment i just think Hatton's style would always beat Tszyu similar to how Vince Phillips beat Tszyu by swarming. Because Tszyu likes to have room to punch but if you take that away then Tszyu is going to be at a big disadvantage because he can't get power into his shots when he is head to head with an opponent up close.
I still think Castillo was shot but i'll wait until he fights Bradley then we can make a better accurate judgement on Castillo.
Good debate indeed i don't need to say no more mate we have agreed to disagree and we will leave it at that have some rep.
