Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

i'm not really a fan of ottka, i haven't seen all that much of him but what i've seen is a decent boxer not much more but not enough to be an expert on him like you fenster

i used to be a big fan of calzaghes, when he won the wbo belt by beating eubanks i thought yes, britans got a good young boxer who if he works away can become the next big star, ( like nigal benn, chris eubank, ) he can improve his skills, improve his approach by fighting some good euro level guys then take on the best out there......... a few years later he still was fighting those half decent fighters telling us there super, a few more years and still the same story, always saying he'll go out to america, or anywhere else to fight the best but it didn't seem to happen...........few more years same old story from him and frank warren.

i've got a fight of his..... where he tells us brewer is true world class, top top class, that he only fights the best in the world, brewer already had 8 loses when he fought joe and no one would say he was top top class.........over time i lost any respect i had for a boxer who i once thought could be britans first p4p king.............

Fair do's.

Everyone has this wrong anyway.

Steve Collins is the best ever supermiddle. Fact.

He beat Benn and Eubank. Fact. And Roy Jones ducked him like the plague. Fact. And Team Calzaghe paid Howard Eastman (in budgie and parrot feed) to KO Collins sparring (was hungover after a night on the lash. Fact.) forcing him to retire before he would have inevitably KO'd Calzaghe. Fact.

Can't argue with the facts. Fact.

i'm with my old mate, past adversary and old sparringpartner fenster

collins is the best ( good old howard sure did end collins career )

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Fair do's.

Everyone has this wrong anyway.

Steve Collins is the best ever supermiddle. Fact.

He beat Benn and Eubank. Fact. And Roy Jones ducked him like the plague. Fact. And Team Calzaghe paid Howard Eastman (in budgie and parrot feed) to KO Collins sparring (was hungover after a night on the lash. Fact.) forcing him to retire before he would have inevitably KO'd Calzaghe. Fact.

Can't argue with the facts. Fact.

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Dam if Collins is better than Jones, and Calzaghe, how good does that make Mike Mcallum, Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay????

Think about it......

Collins beat Benn when he was shot. Benn was never the same after the Mclellan fight and had just been beat by Malinga who altho not a bad fighter was not great.

Eubank was past his best when Collins fought him and Steve only just snuck passed him anyway. Calzaghe beat Eubank easier and RJJ would have won every round against the version of Eubank that Collins beat by a small margin.

Thems the real facts.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Fair do's.

Everyone has this wrong anyway.

Steve Collins is the best ever supermiddle. Fact.

He beat Benn and Eubank. Fact. And Roy Jones ducked him like the plague. Fact. And Team Calzaghe paid Howard Eastman (in budgie and parrot feed) to KO Collins sparring (was hungover after a night on the lash. Fact.) forcing him to retire before he would have inevitably KO'd Calzaghe. Fact.

Can't argue with the facts. Fact.

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Dam if Collins is better than Jones, and Calzaghe, how good does that make Mike Mcallum, Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay????

Think about it......

Collins beat Benn when he was shot. Benn was never the same after the Mclellan fight and had just been beat by Malinga who altho not a bad fighter was not great.

Eubank was past his best when Collins fought him and Steve only just snuck passed him anyway. Calzaghe beat Eubank easier and RJJ would have won every round against the version of Eubank that Collins beat by a small margin.

Thems the real facts.

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No, no, no! Thems excuses. Fact.

Collins ONLY lost pre Paul McKenna days. Fact.

With Paul McKenna in his corner Collins was unbeatable. Fact. That's why Roy dodged him. Fact.






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This thread has officially gone off the deep end. Fact.

Jones is leading the poll.

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He beat guy's like Toney and Hopkins in their primes at times when they were consider along some of the all time greats in that class. He was totally dominate. He would flat out embarrass people with his speed and power. Something Calzaghe only has one of.

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He beat Hopkins at mw..so got nothing to do with the thread. And Calzaghe had plenty of power but he has constant hand problems wich is why he slaps now..IMO that makes his reign more impressive considering what he has acheived with that problem.

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And Calzaghe "beat" Hopkins at Middle Weight so I guess that has nothing to do with it.

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Calzaghe beat Hopkins at Light Heavyweight

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He beat Hopkins at mw..so got nothing to do with the thread. And Calzaghe had plenty of power but he has constant hand problems wich is why he slaps now..IMO that makes his reign more impressive considering what he has acheived with that problem.

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And Calzaghe "beat" Hopkins at Middle Weight so I guess that has nothing to do with it.

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Calzaghe beat Hopkins at Light Heavyweight

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No i mean Jones JR beat them at MW

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Fair do's.

Everyone has this wrong anyway.

Steve Collins is the best ever supermiddle. Fact.

He beat Benn and Eubank. Fact. And Roy Jones ducked him like the plague. Fact. And Team Calzaghe paid Howard Eastman (in budgie and parrot feed) to KO Collins sparring (was hungover after a night on the lash. Fact.) forcing him to retire before he would have inevitably KO'd Calzaghe. Fact.

Can't argue with the facts. Fact.

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Dam if Collins is better than Jones, and Calzaghe, how good does that make Mike Mcallum, Reggie Johnson and Sumbu Kalambay????

Think about it......

Collins beat Benn when he was shot. Benn was never the same after the Mclellan fight and had just been beat by Malinga who altho not a bad fighter was not great.

Eubank was past his best when Collins fought him and Steve only just snuck passed him anyway. Calzaghe beat Eubank easier and RJJ would have won every round against the version of Eubank that Collins beat by a small margin.

Thems the real facts.

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Eagle, do yourself a favour and look up the word irony in the dictionary.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Jones easily. I'm shocked the voting is so close. I didn't think there were that many idiots on this forum. Guess I was wrong.

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The only idiot is you. ;)

Jones Jr didnt do as much at SMW compared to what Calzaghe has. Calzaghe has reigned in a division for a decade and beaten every threat.

Except the great Sven Ottke ;D says it all!