If klitchkos were Americans, EVERYONE would be riding their nuts saying they are undisputed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
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If klitchkos were Americans, EVERYONE would be riding their nuts saying they are undisputed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
How long does Haye have to develop? Shit he looks pretty old to me and has been in the ring plenty of times. I know Heavys are taking longer and longer to get up to speed, but his path to glory looks like chicanery to me.
No blowout by Wlad. Cautious dismemberment. Vitali is the guy that will get him out quickly. Wlad will respect the risk of of his power and take him in deep before he takes him out
:rolleyes: what power?Quote:
Originally Posted by shooter
Lyle I agree with you re those that spout off - I don't support all our fighters.
But I take a lot of what Haye says tongue in cheek and find him funny rather than cocky. And he's creating interest which the whole of boxing should be thankful for.
If he beats , the top 5 all time heavyweight and future Hall of famer , John Ruiz in April then a Klitschko looms and though I make them both favourite over him I really hope its Wlad as he's vulnerable to the power Haye has a chance of a stoppage win. (KingRome thats a silly statement to question his power)
If he fights Vitali then I think he will be destroyed. I know it was a few years ago but if Lewis couldnt trouble him with that ridiculous right uppercut he landed then I dont thing Haye, fighting cautiously , will be able to damage him at all.
However - whoever comes out on top between these three will then have the unenviable task of trying to avoid a certain death showdown with A-Force.
Silly statement to question his power? Im not sure what fights you are watching, but i have not seen any power displayed by Haye. The a retarded statement is calling Wladimir "vulnerable". His losses were bullsh!t, nothing short of bad luck. You don't become the world heavy weight champion and knock out 47 people if you are vulnerable (unless you fight a fat slob like valuev, hit him, and run like hell)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
So Haye is talking a lot of smack and Wlad tells him to get in line...Just a couple of thoughts:
- Is there a bigger heavyweight fight to be made than Haye-Klitschko?
- Why would Wlad want Haye to "get in line" risking a loss and a lose
huge payday?
- If this would be an easy fight for Wlad why doesn't he take the fight take a
huge payday and shut this guy up?
Wlad's behavior is very odd unless Haye has really gotten inside his head and has Wlad questioning himself....Otherwise Wlad avoiding him makes no sense.
Really? So it's bad for the champion to request (especially after the CHALLENGER ducked Wladimir) that the challenger earn his title shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Promoter
Sure there's a ton of money to be made off of this fight which is why BOTH Klitschko's tried to fight this punk.
Now why would the now current WBA title holder have ducked them if he wanted to fight them so bad to begin with???
Let's boil this down, heavyweight boxing is not a spot of "honor" or "deserved" shots. It's a sport of money, every time in the ring could be your last so you're a fool if you don't take big paydays when they are available. Haye backed out of the earlier fights because he wanted more money and the Klitschko's low balled him because he had no belt. Now with the WBA belt David commands more money, simple. From what I've seen it's only David Haye talking about unifying the titles, why isn't Wlad? You saw the confrontation with Wlad telling Haye "to get in line"..WHAT LINE?!?!? This is the only heavyweight fight (except for Wlad v Vitali ;) that will generate any interest. Or I guess Wlad v Eddie Chambers is more exciting to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleReally? So it's bad for the champion to request (especially after the CHALLENGER ducked Wladimir) that the challenger earn his title shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Promoter
Sure there's a ton of money to be made off of this fight which is why BOTH Klitschko's tried to fight this punk.
Now why would the now current WBA title holder have ducked them if he wanted to fight them so bad to begin with???
co-signed. thats real talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by The PromoterLet's boil this down, heavyweight boxing is not a spot of "honor" or "deserved" shots. It's a sport of money, every time in the ring could be your last so you're a fool if you don't take big paydays when they are available. Haye backed out of the earlier fights because he wanted more money and the Klitschko's low balled him because he had no belt. Now with the WBA belt David commands more money, simple. From what I've seen it's only David Haye talking about unifying the titles, why isn't Wlad? You saw the confrontation with Wlad telling Haye "to get in line"..WHAT LINE?!?!? This is the only heavyweight fight (except for Wlad v Vitali ;) that will generate any interest. Or I guess Wlad v Eddie Chambers is more exciting to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleReally? So it's bad for the champion to request (especially after the CHALLENGER ducked Wladimir) that the challenger earn his title shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Promoter
Sure there's a ton of money to be made off of this fight which is why BOTH Klitschko's tried to fight this punk.
Now why would the now current WBA title holder have ducked them if he wanted to fight them so bad to begin with???
The only money haye was going to get after accepting a shitty deal from Klit was the money generated from Setanta... when they went bust he was getting almost literally no money for the fight.
Haye did something i WISH these other heavyweights would do. He went after a champion NOT NAMED Wladimer or Vitali. Seriously there are other people to fight with belts. Haye actually went out there and fought the giant and beat him for the WBA title.
These are things I wish the "heavyweight hopefuls" would have done instead of just jumping for a shot at either Klit when neither are ready for it.
Haye has done the only smart thing in the heavyweight division in a long time.
He could either come in the heavyweight division with no name to the heavyweights, get beaten by Wladimer and then go back to nothing and the hype is gone.
Or even if he beat Wlad he'd face vitali then Wlad again as per the contract and for crap money.
What does Haye do? He says screw it and goes and fights Valuev. And now he is the WBA Heavyweight champ making his first defense on HBO. While Wladimer is fighting Chambers and him and his brother can't get fights on HBO anymore, so they fight on small time PPV or on ESPN. So who got the better end of that?
Haye actually decided to MAKE A NAME in the heavyweight division and it makes the proposed fight with Wladimer bigger, and better and puts some hype beyond the Heavyweight division.
And anyone who disagrees with that cannot complain about how crap the heavyweight division is. Because according to that logic you'd rather have seen Haye jump in, have small hype for like 2 months, get beat and the heavyweight division be stale again.
What Haye did ensures the heavyweight division some form of hype for the next year or so before him and Wladimer fight.
What Haye did was great for himself, but even greater for boxing. ESPECIALLY the heavyweight division
Please explain to me how exactly has either of the Klitchkos avoided him? they told him he is a nobody, and better earn some heavyweight credit if he wants a title shot... after all the trash talk from haye, both Klitchkos wanted to get inside the ring and demolish him... he backed out... why? because he is doing this for publicity... and he will not step in the ring unless he gets enough money that will make up for getting brutaly knocked out. money this, money that.... idc what haye's reasons are, idc about money, i don't care about ppv, boxing is boxing.. if you are a boxing fan to see who gets more money, you probably should go watch who wants to be a millionaire instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Promoter
.....that is the dumbest shit I have read in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Maybe the next heavyweight hopeful should go after the NABA title holder Fres Oquendo...I think Fijian Heavyweight Champ Mosese Kavika has been ducked for too long!!!!
NEWSFLASH the WBA Heavyweight Title is for people who are IN the heavyweight division but don't want to fight the "A level talent".....FACT
It is not a FACT Lyle. The WBA title isn't what you want it to be because you want to win some sort of argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle.....that is the dumbest shit I have read in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Maybe the next heavyweight hopeful should go after the NABA title holder Fres Oquendo...I think Fijian Heavyweight Champ Mosese Kavika has been ducked for too long!!!!
NEWSFLASH the WBA Heavyweight Title is for people who are IN the heavyweight division but don't want to fight the "A level talent".....FACT
Haye did the smart thing fighting Valuev and getting the WBA title, bringing some excitement to the heavyweight division rather then just turning up at heavyweight fighting Wladimer, losing and then going into obscurity. Then the hype for the Heavyweight division is dead again. What Haye did creates hype for a fight with him and Wladimer or any other heavyweights or hopefuls for the next year or so rather then killing any kind of build up in one fight. And now Haye is fighting on HBO and Wladimer and Vitali fight nobodies on the internet and on espn. Who made the better decision for the sake of the heavyweight division?
But i guess you'd rather see Wladimer beat Haye and the Heavyweight division be in obscurity to the point it doesn't even get on national television? And honestly Fres oquendo is better then the guy Vitali is fighting next... FACT