Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
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Memphis
Pavlik gets schooled or KO'd late. Hopkins wasnt there to be hit, Pavlik will be.
Joe C too good for him.
I think Pavlik can walk through Calzaghe's slaps without getting stopped. Can Calzaghe walk through Pavlik's punches is the question?
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
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Violent Demise
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Memphis
Pavlik gets schooled or KO'd late. Hopkins wasnt there to be hit, Pavlik will be.
Joe C too good for him.
I think Pavlik can walk through Calzaghe's slaps without getting stopped. Can Calzaghe walk through Pavlik's punches is the question?
Calzaghe's never walked through anyone's shots, he's a counter puncher.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
you can never say for sure wat would happen in any fight wat u can do is compare.
looking at the two fighters on paper pavlik has the upper edge because of percentages knockout wise, although calzaghe has the experience and in my opinion has had the harder fight in mikkel kessler.
Looking at the fighters in the ring i,ve always said that i think kelly pavlik is a wild uncontrolled version of kessler , but thats what works for him but lets be honest jermain taylor was waiting to be taken he cant keep himself in the centre of the ring he sometimes seems to forget he's inside a boxing ring.
As for joe calzaghe he has had some easy fights and some scrappy fights aginst scrappy fighters but the better the fighter the better joe fights. Joe calzaghe vs jeff lacy in my opinion that was one of the greatest boxing displays in the last couple of decades, maybe jeff lacy wasnt in joe league but he was a good fighter just look at his knockout record pre calzaghe. and again with mikkel kessler i personally think kessler will never lose again and now bernard hopkins great knockdown by him in the first round a won the next two aswell but from then on joe controoled bernard was still walking looking ok with a couple of nright hands but joe was stalking and landing more punches land nice jabs stepping in and out avoiding bernards counters.
I think it would be a matter of hand speed a footwork if joe and kelly met in the ring kelly is a banger but how affective is any fighter standing infront of joe throwing joe would be in and out kelly right hand is affective but joe had tougher i also think on the inside joe will come out on top becuse of his ability to change and shorten up his punche s not adding power just keeping speed and showing to much leather for pavlik to deal with.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
I'm 50/50 on this one...
It's puncher meets the boxer....
Can the puncher land his money shot?
Can the boxer fight well for 12 full rounds?
I can't decide really... :-\
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
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CutMeMick
I'm 50/50 on this one...
It's puncher meets the boxer....
Can the puncher land his money shot?
Can the boxer fight well for 12 full rounds?
I can't decide really... :-\
IM WITH YOU MATE.I LIKE BOTH FIGHTERS.I LIKE TO SEE THE FIGHT GET MADE!I AGREE IT'LL BE 50/50.IM A BETTING FREAK WHEN IT COMES TO THE NOBLE ART GAME,BUT IF THE FIGHT DOES GET PULLED OFF THEN IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO BET ON EITHER BOXER.IT WOULD BE A FANTASIC FIGHT THOUGH.....MOUTH WATERING:lickish::lickish::)
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
If this fight went to the cards Pavlik's face will just look sweaty and Calzaghe's will look like ground beef. Hopkins looked like he was out for a jog. Calzaghe has nothing that hurts Pavlik. Nothing Calfagey can do will hurt Pavlik. Joe knows and will see what Pavlik can do to a opponet come the 7th when Lockett gets mauled in the ring. This Lockett fight will shock me if it goes more than 7 rounds. Im sure Calzaghe will be rings side for this dismantling of a human.I hope he sees it. I hope Pavlik knocks him out in extreme fashion. Like Taylor slump over almost lifeless in the corner. Or Miranda beaten so bad he looked like a new born kitten with both eyes shut. I hope I dont even need to mention what he did to Zertuche. I hope this fight happens around middle of 2009 when Pavlik is ready to move up. I hope its at a good catch wieght 170-172. I think how prone Joe looked agianst the right hands of Hopkins that Pavlik will connct with his own . Pavlik is a real busy fighter 80-120 punches a round. The right will land and it will hurt.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
If Joe has the choice of a Jones or Pavlik fight he should go for Jones.
Even if he beats Pav people will just say he was unproven just like Kessler even though he was a unified world champ .
Pav can end Joes run but if I were putting money on it I'd have to go with Joe on points . He has the experience and boxing brain to outscore Kelly . Taylor came close last time but Joe works at a higher pace and I think he'd be too good for Kelly if they met now . Maybe in a years time things might change .
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
yeh 2 b honest taylor could of won that re-match.. it was that close in my eyes...
what makes everyone think that pavlik would KO calzaghe, in my eyes Pavlik is far from an elite fighter... whereas JC is proven..
It looks like JC is gona beat another sitting duck across the pond
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
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gudnite vienna
yeh 2 b honest taylor could of won that re-match.. it was that close in my eyes...
what makes everyone think that pavlik would KO calzaghe, in my eyes Pavlik is far from an elite fighter... whereas JC is proven..
It looks like JC is gona beat another sitting duck across the pond
JC is fighting the elite that he avoided hiding in great britian for so long. I dont see a 1990's fight between Calzaghe and Hopkins, Jones Jr or Toney. He was to busy fighting nobodies. I want what ever it is you where smoking during that
Taylor Pavlik 2 . Pavlik was landing more punches clean , he was throwing all sorts of punches and puffed out Jermiane's eyes with his jab that he was landed all night. He beat a boxer boxing. Taylor has great power .
Pavlik clearly beat him. The Hopkins Calzaghe fight was allot closer then the Pavlik Taylor fight. Some can argue great points that Hopkins won. He was landing solid punches. He hurt Calzaghe on several occasions and he floored him in the first round. That never happed to Pavlik in the rematch fight. Pavlik almost ended the fight in the first round. He hurt Taylor with a hard right . Watch on the 7th how terrible you think Pavlik is watch him gut this kid from Wales. It will be over before you can sit on the couch.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
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gudnite vienna
yeh 2 b honest taylor could of won that re-match.. it was that close in my eyes...
what makes everyone think that pavlik would KO calzaghe, in my eyes Pavlik is far from an elite fighter... whereas JC is proven..
It looks like JC is gona beat another sitting duck across the pond
Coulda woulda shoulda didn't you could also say Reid could of beat Calzaghe, or Hopkins could of beat Calzaghe. As i remember the fight i had it dead even going into 11th round but Pavlik badly hurt Taylor with a body shot that changed the fight around Pavlik won the last 2 rounds based on that damaging body shot and earned himself the victory.
Pavlik showed good boxing skills and underrated defense to hang with Taylor in that rematch. I can't see how you can't call Pavlik an elite fighter when he clearly is. The only real flaw i see in Pavlik is that he sometimes doesn't mix it up and throws jab jab right hand over and over again. But like i said all Reid done was lead with right hands and so did Hopkins yet they still gave Calzaghe tough fights.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
I agree that Pavlik is underrated by too many people - he's obviously a very effective fighter. He's also one of my favorite fighters, so I can admit a bias. But I can see Calzaghe frustrating Pavlik with movement and speed, which he still has enough of to cause Kelly problems, I think.
Someone else said it - if Joe can keep away from too many clean shots, he'd have a great chance to outscore Pavlik and win a points decision. I think it's an even money fight for me.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
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ICB
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gudnite vienna
yeh 2 b honest taylor could of won that re-match.. it was that close in my eyes...
what makes everyone think that pavlik would KO calzaghe, in my eyes Pavlik is far from an elite fighter... whereas JC is proven..
It looks like JC is gona beat another sitting duck across the pond
Coulda woulda shoulda didn't you could also say Reid could of beat Calzaghe, or Hopkins could of beat Calzaghe. As i remember the fight i had it dead even going into 11th round but Pavlik badly hurt Taylor with a body shot that changed the fight around Pavlik won the last 2 rounds based on that damaging body shot and earned himself the victory.
Pavlik showed good boxing skills and underrated defense to hang with Taylor in that rematch. I can't see how you can't call Pavlik an elite fighter when he clearly is. The only real flaw i see in Pavlik is that he sometimes doesn't mix it up and throws jab jab right hand over and over again. But like i said all Reid done was lead with right hands and so did Hopkins yet they still gave Calzaghe tough fights.
He's kinda lazy about bringing his right hand back up after a jab-right sometimes, too. I keep expecting someone to capitalize on that.
Re: Would Kelly Pavlik end Calzaghe's undefeated record if they met?
Joe has the ability to out point Kelly, but I feel Kelly would land some huge shots and TKO Joe. Even though I would love to see Joe go out undefeated, I just like the way Kelly fights and wouldn't doubt his abilities and power.
