Jesse Jackson wants to cut Obama's nuts off

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Originally Posted by Lyle

McCain has taken chances with his career in order to solve problems affecting the citizens....Obama has done NOTHING he hasn't proposed any good legislation he hasn't taken a firm stand on anything AND stuff he did take a stand on before he has changed his views on like the FISA bill.


Kirkland you give me no reasons to vote for Obama either

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I already explained to you how Obama will be far better for the economy than McCain. I don't think he'll have the courage to take unpopular decisions and moral clairty of a Jimmy Carter on the economy, but he'll be far better than McCain. MCain means existing economic problems will be exacerbated, Obama will try and repair some of the damage.


And also far better on foreign policy. That's probably why McCain is changing his foreign policy positions to pretty much the same as Obama's after previously saying Obama was wrong.

Obama would also be better on energy too. America's number one concern is energy independence. Obama would be far better on this too.

OK so Obama not knowing anything about foreign relations is a plus, Obama wants to raise taxes like a motherfucker (whilst cutting Corporate taxes) and will get America to be energy independent without drilling for oil here AND without nuclear energy........You know what Kirkland, I like to dream too

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Originally Posted by Lyle

OK so Obama not knowing anything about foreign relations is a plus, Obama wants to raise taxes like a motherfucker (whilst cutting Corporate taxes) and will get America to be energy independent without drilling for oil here AND without nuclear energy........You know what Kirkland, I like to dream too

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Obama will be far better than McCain. I'm not saying he's going to be Jimmy Carter or anything but he'll definitely be better than the alternative.

....did you think Jimmy Carter was a good President? If you do, you've lost any and all credibility in this arguement as Jimmy Carter was (aside from Herbert Hoover) the WORST President ever...it was the American public's bad judgement because Nixon (who was aside from Watergate a pretty good President) and Ford (another decent President only he was percieved as an idiot just because he fell down a lot) were percieved as bad guys and America wanted a "nice guy" to be President and we got one and his name was Jimmy Carter and he SUCKED ass!

And Lyle, drilling for oil.

If the US drilled ANWR tomorrow then in 5-10 years it would start producing. But the maximum it could produce daily would be 750 000 barrels a day, or roughly 20% of the projected increase in US oil demand between now and 10 years' time. Domestic drilling is just a diversion by the GOP that also helps the balance sheets of oil companies. It's irrelevant to the overarching energy issue.

Well if we're going to have to wait for it then all the more reason to start right now AND we need more refineries and that will drop the price of oil.


Natural gas is also something we need more of and we could drill for that as well.


Global Warming (supposedly) isn't going to dramatically affect us for 10-20 years so why worry? Want to rethink your reasoning now?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....did you think Jimmy Carter was a good President? If you do, you've lost any and all credibility in this arguement as Jimmy Carter was (aside from Herbert Hoover) the WORST President ever...it was the American public's bad judgement because Nixon (who was aside from Watergate a pretty good President) and Ford (another decent President only he was percieved as an idiot just because he fell down a lot) were percieved as bad guys and America wanted a "nice guy" to be President and we got one and his name was Jimmy Carter and he SUCKED ass!

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Jimmy Carter inherited double digit inflation and high unemployment, a collapsing dollar due to a foreign war and soaring oil prices in an economy much more dependent on cheap oil than the one today. He knew the only thing to bring oil prices down and kill inflation was to appoint a Fed chief that would raise interest rates dramatically, to basically engineer a recession, to drive inflation out of the economy. Electoral suicide but the right thing to do, the thing a moral and courageous national leader would do. And he did it.

Now look at the situation today. Faced with the same problems, the US needs somebody to get a grip on the current problems. McCain would cut huge chunks of tax for the nation's elites, causing bigger deficits and no economic growth. He'd have to print more dollars to cover the deficits which means increased inflation and consequently big increases in the price of the commodity most sensitive to Washington's print button, oil. And big increases in the oil price mean big increases in the price of goods and services which mean more inflation.....


Obama would probably make a reasonable attempt at tackling the problem. He'll have to contend with conservatives screaming for tax cuts for the wealthy as the only way to save the economy, but he can remind them how they reacted when Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy to balance the budget :

"I want to predict here tonight, that if we adopt this bill the American economy is going to get weaker and not stronger, the deficit four years from today will be higher than it is today and not lower ... When all is said and done, people will pay more taxes, the economy will create fewer jobs, the government will spend more money, and the American people will be worse off."

That was one of McCain's chief economic advisors in 1993.

Jimmy Carter was a simple minded peanut farmer and a PUSSY. I'm sure you only liked him because of NORML

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well if we're going to have to wait for it then all the more reason to start right now AND we need more refineries and that will drop the price of oil.


Natural gas is also something we need more of and we could drill for that as well.


Global Warming (supposedly) isn't going to dramatically affect us for 10-20 years so why worry? Want to rethink your reasoning now?

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The energy policy of the US government is to continue helping the oil and gas industries make as much money as possible. Energy policy is bought and paid for by the energy companies. This has to change. Neither guy goes remotely far enough, but Obama is the better guy.

....Sorry, I don't like him...I don't know how many more times we have to go through this but I'm not voting for Obama. If something was to happen to McCain before the election I would be voting for Bob Barr and if something happened to him I'd vote for Nader......I'm not voting for Obama it's just that simple

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Jimmy Carter was a simple minded peanut farmer and a PUSSY. I'm sure you only liked him because of NORML

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I make a reasoned post full of facts and evidence and you reply by calling Carter a pussy. It's the facts and the evidence that'll get you every time.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Jimmy Carter was a simple minded peanut farmer and a PUSSY. I'm sure you only liked him because of NORML

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Great points here Lyle.

Cold War and Iran Hostage.....Jimmy Carter = Pussy


And it's not just the way he acted it's the results he got. Reagan did the whole Iran-Contra deal but he got the RESULT of free hostages and Americans were mighty happy.

Jimmy Carter was an awful President!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Cold War and Iran Hostage.....Jimmy Carter = Pussy


And it's not just the way he acted it's the results he got. Reagan did the whole Iran-Contra deal but he got the RESULT of free hostages and Americans were mighty happy.

Jimmy Carter was an awful President!

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Carter did an amazing job with Iran. If he'd sent troops to keep the Shah in power that'd be the equivalent of George Bush sending troops to Iraq to keep Saddam in power. He would have lumbered the US with a hugely expensive occupation facing an insurgency supplied by the USSR and China in a country four times bigger than Iraq with a ten times bigger (by number of people) insurgency. The country was already bankrupted by one needless dumbass foreign war in Vietnam and couldn't have managed another.


Reagan negotiated with the Iranians before the 1980 election and gave them arms in exchange for the release of the hostages, an epic act of scumbaggery that he eventually had to admit to :



Let's start with the part that is the most controversial. A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.


They were released during his inauguration. American networks showed a split screen of the hostages getting off the planne and Reagan taking the oath.

Jimmy Carter = bad President end of story