Fighters Who Never Ducked Anyone.

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

Naseem Hamed? The same Hamed that didn't fight Juan Manuel Marquez?

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Hamed ducked no-one.

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Markus, you blow my mind! After seeing your posts and how you get defensive on fighters you like is appaulling! Seriously...you believe Hamed never ducked Marquez?!?!

Boxingfanatics.com
This one is a long article but it says "He quickly climbed his way up the rankings with wins over Julian Wheeler, Darryl Pickney, and Agapito Sanchez, until he finally became the WBO Featherweight #1 contender. Soon, he became known as the fighter Naseem Hamed shamelessly ducked for 22 months. Tired of waiting for a crack at The Prince, Marquez moved on..."

ESPN - The champ most avoid meets king without a crown - Boxing
In this article Rafael says, "When Naseem Hamed was featherweight champ, he ducked Marquez for years, even when he became the mandatory challenger."

Hamed Under Fire | British Boxing Heroes
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Bruce Williams, writer, Boxing Update: “Juan Manuel Marquez was screwed out of his too-long-overdue mandatory with WBO feather champ Naseem Hamed, who didn’t even have the huevos to come to Puerto Rico and make his own appeal for more dispensations to seek world title unifiers.

Ivan Goldman, writer, KO Magazine: “Should Hamed ultimately forsake his WBO belt to go after another title, it won’t be because he suddenly decided the WBO belt was beneath his dignity. It will be because he’s run out of ways to duck Marquez.”

Teddy Atlas, ringside analyst, ESPN: “Juan Manuel Marquez is a very good fighter. You can tell how good he is by the way Naseem Hamed won’t fight him.”

Anymore rebuttals for this debate?

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I dont like Hamed! lol. Fact is the WBO refused to make Marques his mandatory and big money was else where.

Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
Evander Holyfield
Julio Caesar Chavez
Roberto Duran
Tommy Hearns
Ray Leonard
Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Marco Antonio Barrera
Zab Judah


Damn there are so many names

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by caleoh12

Markus, you blow my mind! After seeing your posts and how you get defensive on fighters you like is appaulling! Seriously...you believe Hamed never ducked Marquez?!?!

Boxingfanatics.com
This one is a long article but it says "He quickly climbed his way up the rankings with wins over Julian Wheeler, Darryl Pickney, and Agapito Sanchez, until he finally became the WBO Featherweight #1 contender. Soon, he became known as the fighter Naseem Hamed shamelessly ducked for 22 months. Tired of waiting for a crack at The Prince, Marquez moved on..."

ESPN - The champ most avoid meets king without a crown - Boxing
In this article Rafael says, "When Naseem Hamed was featherweight champ, he ducked Marquez for years, even when he became the mandatory challenger."

Hamed Under Fire | British Boxing Heroes
In this article:

Bruce Williams, writer, Boxing Update: “Juan Manuel Marquez was screwed out of his too-long-overdue mandatory with WBO feather champ Naseem Hamed, who didn’t even have the huevos to come to Puerto Rico and make his own appeal for more dispensations to seek world title unifiers.

Ivan Goldman, writer, KO Magazine: “Should Hamed ultimately forsake his WBO belt to go after another title, it won’t be because he suddenly decided the WBO belt was beneath his dignity. It will be because he’s run out of ways to duck Marquez.”

Teddy Atlas, ringside analyst, ESPN: “Juan Manuel Marquez is a very good fighter. You can tell how good he is by the way Naseem Hamed won’t fight him.”

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Hang on a minute. There's more to the story than that.

1. Marquez TURNED DOWN the Naz fight in 2000. Fact.

2. Marquez wasn't a BIG name back when he was the WBO mandatory. HBO weren't interested in him.

It's the WBO that treated Marquez unfairly.

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Them turning the fight down in 2000 was about Nacho being spiteful not because they were afraid to fight.

I'll take he wasn't a big name back then. But I honestly do believe he was ducked...

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Spiteful? Could be, Nacho has made some shocking career choices on Marquez behalf.

But it's not like Naz needed Marquez, is it?

So.. i would say it was either stupid or sensible. If Marquez and Nacho believed they could beat Naz, then why turn down half-a-million (a HUGE payday for Marquez)? That's just stupid.

If they thought they weren't ready for Naz, then turning down the fight is clearly sensible. ;)

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Originally Posted by leftylee

What about Ricky Hatton ?

Or does Junior Twitter count against him :rolleyes:

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He ducked Miguel Cotto.... Well they ducked each other really. They were both guided so, you know...


Btw has anyone got the stones to mention the Pretty one? ;D

Juan LaPorte:

How about a fighter that "ONLY" fought HOF Salvador Sanchez, HOF Eusebio Pedroza, HOF Wilfredo Gomez, HOF Barry McGuigan, Future HOF Julio Cesar Chavez, Future HOF Kostya Tszyu, HOF Azumah Nelson, Ex World Champ Rocky Lockridge, Ex World Champ John John Molina, Ex World Champ Zack Padilla, Ex World Champ Billy Costello, Ex World Champ Charles Murray.... besides EX World Title Challengers Ruben Castillo, Dwight Pratchet, Johnny de la Rosa, Lupe Suarez, Hector Lopez,.... beat some and NEVER NEVER NEVER was knocked off his feet!!! Who? Juan "Tony" La Porte, that's 'WHO'!!!! Laporte faced them all. Had alot of class. NEVER a bad word, NEVER a trash talker, NEVER belittled his victims, NEVER a bad influence on the younger fighters, ... AND NEVER KNOCKED OFF HIS FEET. Spends his days training youngsters in the Bronx. A real 'good guy' of the sport

Won't go all ape shit on this...

Do me a favor and someone check who was Naz #1 challenger and who held the WBO NABO title which is the title that's held by the closest/#1 challenger to their title... :)

It's a well known fact JMM should have fought Naz.
Naz turned it down and after JMM lost to Norwood THEN and only then did Naz return the offer.

But anyway regardless of how it went JMMs legacy and continious career has overshowed everything that went bad for him in the past.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Won't go all ape shit on this...

Do me a favor and someone check who was Naz #1 challenger and who held the WBO NABO title which is the title that's held by the closest/#1 challenger to their title... :)

It's a well known fact JMM should have fought Naz.
Naz turned it down and after JMM lost to Norwood THEN and only then did Naz return the offer.

But anyway regardless of how it went JMMs legacy and continious career has overshowed everything that went bad for him in the past.

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But why did Marquez then turn down Naz?

It don't make sense :-\

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Originally Posted by Jimafee

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Originally Posted by leftylee

What about Ricky Hatton ?

Or does Junior Twitter count against him :rolleyes:

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He ducked Miguel Cotto.... Well they ducked each other really. They were both guided so, you know...


Btw has anyone got the stones to mention the Pretty one? ;D

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It's a shame Cotto and Hatton didn't meet at 140 but like you said Cotto was being guided and groomed perfectly to flourish as a Welterweight. Hatton was champion so I would have liked him to persue Cotto.

Mayweather did well at 130-135. As he moved up he really bacame more business oriented. He prepared himself for retirment and judging by his last two fights he did a hell of a job. Although there is a rumor that he's coming back for money.

Floyd really did have a hell of a chance to cement a legacy for himself at 140 after he beat Corley and demolished Gatti. A victory over Hatton would have looked much better had it happened at 140lbs for the Linear title at that weight.

Filipino Roger Monserto (0-6)

Medgen Sinsurat 55-5
Chatchai Sasakul 60-3
Ratnchaie Sor Vorapin 69-9
Medgoen Singsurat 45-4
Medgoen Singsurat 42-4

He fought Sod Looknongyangtoy, 36-2, in his last fight.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Glen Johnson. The Road Warrior has always sought the best, IMO.

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Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Glen Johnson. The Road Warrior has always sought the best, IMO.

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He ducked Calzaghe for years ;D

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Originally Posted by Jimafee

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Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Glen Johnson. The Road Warrior has always sought the best, IMO.

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He ducked Calzaghe for years ;D

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LOL classic;D

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Originally Posted by irons

Not 100% on these but they've not been mentioned yet, thought I'd throw them in.

Marvin Hagler.
Mike Tyson.

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Agreed with Hagler fo'sure.

But in my opinion Mike Tyson pretty much ducked all the good heavyweights of the 90's aside from Lewis and Holyfield, both of whom whipped his ass.

And I'm a Tyson fan.

Lot of old fighters -

Harry Greb
Maxie Rosenbloom
Barbados Joe Walcott
Sam Langford
Joe Grim
Battling Nelson
Joe Gans
Archie Moore
Fritzie Zivic
Henry Armstrong

etc etc

Love him or hate him...no denying that Delahoya's resume is pretty damn good.