Giving Joe Calzaghe Credit For Beating This Version Of RJJ.....

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Originally Posted by jack2121

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by jack2121

sorry fenster i am a big jc fan but its IMPOSIBLE to give jc credit for beating a washed up roy jones, hes not even half the man he was. like ive said so many times the fight would have meant so much more 8 years ago heck even 10 yrs ago!

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Yes, Roy was past his best, everyone can acknowledge that. But enough people thought Roy would win to make Calzaghe deserve SOME credit.

Anyone BEFORE the fight that said - "this is a pathetic shit mismatch, Roy is beyond SHOT, Calzaghe will humiliate and destroy him" .. then I don't expect them to give Calzaghe any credit. ;)

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rjj fans and americans picked jones to win so they could stick it to us calzaghe fans if he did but they all knew deep down the outcome, and also after any fight everyone always looks for whom to give credit regardless, joe will not gain much from this fight, (apart from another notch on that amazing record) and its not joes fault he wont gain credit from it, he beats who ever they put in front of him its just the cicumstances unfortunatly.

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A little dramatic dont you think, I picked Jones because I am a fan of his;)

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by jack2121

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Yes, Roy was past his best, everyone can acknowledge that. But enough people thought Roy would win to make Calzaghe deserve SOME credit.

Anyone BEFORE the fight that said - "this is a pathetic shit mismatch, Roy is beyond SHOT, Calzaghe will humiliate and destroy him" .. then I don't expect them to give Calzaghe any credit. ;)

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rjj fans and americans picked jones to win so they could stick it to us calzaghe fans if he did but they all knew deep down the outcome, and also after any fight everyone always looks for whom to give credit regardless, joe will not gain much from this fight, (apart from another notch on that amazing record) and its not joes fault he wont gain credit from it, he beats who ever they put in front of him its just the cicumstances unfortunatly.

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A little dramatic dont you think, I picked Jones because I am a fan of his;)

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I'll never understand this country vs country business, you should just root for whichever fighter you want regardless of where they come from. Im English and i was rooting for RJJ.

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Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Fenster is right IMO, I was hoping and searched the clash in styles for reasons why Jones could beat Joe, and I stand by that.. I will not take the hindsight high road on this one.

I mean for the reasons I stated, albeit a little wrist got in there, Jones dropped and hurt Joe really bad and should have finished him off, that would have been something remarkable and Roy had greatness in the palm of his hand and he pissed it away, shame on him,, Joe did what he had to do, would the win be shinier if it was Roy of 2002?? Of course it would have but it stil has some gloss on it.. Roy fought tough and battled and despite him letting Joe clown him around he still was game.. Jones at that stage is still a pretty good fighter, just not as good as Joe is at this stage... Joe deserves his credit

I only wish he fought Hopkins and Jones sooner, as I feel a bit like I do when I think of Lennox's fights against Holyfield and Tyson. Just a few years to late.. But again Joe deserves his credit

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This fight is just the icing on the cake and a scalp to nail on to the end of the resume. Calzaghe was clear favourite to win this fight and he did what was expected. Couldnt ask for anything more really. Eleven rounds taken and a shocker to open proceedings with. All cracking fun.

And Ice, its just getting boring hearing you go on about Calzaghe all the time. Fenster and Conrad made some good points. You do sure talk a lot about Calzaghe, considering he's a fighter you dont have all that much time for. :rolleyes:;D

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Uhh i've got nothing against Joe Calzaghe Miles, if i hated him that much as your saying i wouldn't have bought his career set would i ? all i have basically said is that im not giving him credit for beating a fighter 7 years past his prime.

And i don't care if people think im a hater i know im not, i just speak my mind thats it. I give Joe Calzaghe credit for beating Bernard Hopkins, because he clearly has alot left in the tank. But RJJ ever since the John Ruiz fight has showed no signs of being the fighter he was once. And has looked pretty bad in every single fight since the John Ruiz fight.

You say Conrad, Fenster, make some good points but all they've done is basically agree with me that RJJ is no longer the fighter he was once was. Nowhere even near it, and just because a few other people picked him to win, doesn't chance the fact he is indeed shot.

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well said!

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by jack2121

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Yes, Roy was past his best, everyone can acknowledge that. But enough people thought Roy would win to make Calzaghe deserve SOME credit.

Anyone BEFORE the fight that said - "this is a pathetic shit mismatch, Roy is beyond SHOT, Calzaghe will humiliate and destroy him" .. then I don't expect them to give Calzaghe any credit. ;)

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rjj fans and americans picked jones to win so they could stick it to us calzaghe fans if he did but they all knew deep down the outcome, and also after any fight everyone always looks for whom to give credit regardless, joe will not gain much from this fight, (apart from another notch on that amazing record) and its not joes fault he wont gain credit from it, he beats who ever they put in front of him its just the cicumstances unfortunatly.

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A little dramatic dont you think, I picked Jones because I am a fan of his;)

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Al give you that a little dramatic;) but did you actully think jones could do it considering his last 3 oposition and performances, and i did say that rjj fans picked jones to win so what are you trying to say? (apart from the dramatic part ).

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

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Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by jack2121

rjj fans and americans picked jones to win so they could stick it to us calzaghe fans if he did but they all knew deep down the outcome, and also after any fight everyone always looks for whom to give credit regardless, joe will not gain much from this fight, (apart from another notch on that amazing record) and its not joes fault he wont gain credit from it, he beats who ever they put in front of him its just the cicumstances unfortunatly.

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A little dramatic dont you think, I picked Jones because I am a fan of his;)

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I'll never understand this country vs country business, you should just root for whichever fighter you want regardless of where they come from. Im English and i was rooting for RJJ.

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i dont like country v country either doesnt mean its not there, i said rjj fans and americans picked jones which is true even americans who are not rjj fans picked him so you must be an rjj fan? not saying theres any thing wrong with that because i do aknoledge that in his prime he was second to none, iam not hater

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Originally Posted by jack2121

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by jack2121

rjj fans and americans picked jones to win so they could stick it to us calzaghe fans if he did but they all knew deep down the outcome, and also after any fight everyone always looks for whom to give credit regardless, joe will not gain much from this fight, (apart from another notch on that amazing record) and its not joes fault he wont gain credit from it, he beats who ever they put in front of him its just the cicumstances unfortunatly.

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A little dramatic dont you think, I picked Jones because I am a fan of his;)

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Al give you that a little dramatic;) but did you actully think jones could do it considering his last 3 oposition and performances, and i did say that rjj fans picked jones to win so what are you trying to say? (apart from the dramatic part ).

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My point is, Jones has a ton of fans and is a living legend, were as if Calzaghe was fighting an unknown or little known than I would buy into the whole picking fighter B just to stick it to Calzaghe fans

Hell I am a Calzaghe fan and was rooting for him to kick the crap out of Hopkins, but my loyalty is what it is toward my fighters especially when they are fighting each other, I been a fan of Roy's alot longer than Joe

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Originally Posted by Napolis

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

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i am a joe fan but of corse rjj was a shell b4 the fight cmon be real!

Nvm.

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Originally Posted by jack2121

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Originally Posted by Napolis

To deny Calzaghe credit at all speaks of churlishness, but it's everyone's right to be churlish, even if it says more about them than Calzaghe.
He didn't just beat a past his prime RJJ, he put his nose between RJJ's guard and dared RJJ to hit him....and this was less than four minutes after being put on the deck and hurt. Not one of us would have expected Calzaghe to do that, and Roy Jones certainly didn't expect it. It takes a very special fighter indeed to do that, whether the guy in front of him is past his prime or not. Roy Jones was, at that point, still very dangerous....but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous thereafter.
Many people fancied RJJ to win. Those that didn't expected maybe a tricky fight with Calzaghe winning on workrate.
I didn't see ANYWHERE any predictions that Calzaghe would take a rather chiselled looking Roy Jones to school for 11 rounds.

Hindsight is a funny thing. Lacey is no longer the mini-Tyson he was before Calzaghe boxed his head off. RJJ is a shell (he didn't look like a shell before the fight). Byron Mitchell was past it....etc etc.
Perhaps, just perhaps, this is just what a supreme boxing talent does to an opponent: destroys their spirit.

I for one will give him credit for putting away what was in front of him in a fashion that left no doubt at all about his supremacy in all departments. After all, we wouldn't have bothered watching if that supremacy was so obvious before the fight.

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i am a joe fan but of corse rjj was a shell b4 the fight cmon be real!

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What is this guy Napolis talking about ? i said RJJ was a shot fighter before the fight, i gave people the thread which was a good few weeks before the fight.

This guy can't be serious in what comeback fight did RJJ look impressive ? the struggle against the mediocre Anthony Hanshaw ? or losing 4 rounds to a blown up Welterweight who hadn't fought since 2005 ?

Go watch a prime RJJ then watch the RJJ of the last few years, theres a massive difference.

Why should you get credit for beating a shot fighter? Not to mention he was a massive favourite to win beforehand.

Good Lord, was RJJ good in his prime? Well I never. I take it all back.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by jack2121

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A little dramatic dont you think, I picked Jones because I am a fan of his;)

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Al give you that a little dramatic;) but did you actully think jones could do it , and i did say that rjj fans picked jones to win so what are you trying to say? (apart from the dramatic part ).

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My point is, Jones has a ton of fans and is a living legend, were as if Calzaghe was fighting an unknown or little known than I would buy into the whole picking fighter B just to stick it to Calzaghe fans

Hell I am a Calzaghe fan and was rooting for him to kick the crap out of Hopkins, but my loyalty is what it is toward my fighters especially when they are fighting each other, I been a fan of Roy's alot longer than Joe

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fair enough your loyal, but my point is i think everyone knew joe wud out point him. Once again did you actually think rjj would win considering his last 3 fights and performances, and that ton of fans were rooting for him but like i said thats why they were rooting for him there rjj fans, your making me repaeat myself

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Originally Posted by Napolis

Good Lord, was RJJ good in his prime? Well I never. I take it all back.

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And you are ?

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Originally Posted by Napolis

Good Lord, was RJJ good in his prime? Well I never. I take it all back.

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What ?