Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight,
moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit.
Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
1. True he did stop all of those guys, but they're also a group of guys with poor defensive skills, something you would expect a boxer of Mosley's calibre to take advantage of.
2. I don't see anyone saying Corrales is ducking a fighter now he's dead do you? ;)
If you want to talk about a theoretical fight between Mayweather & Mosley fine, but I think people just think you should accept that as of now PBF is retired so is not ducking anyone. Also could you deal with the point about Mosley rejecting 2 fights with Mayweather before, as a number of posters have raised it but you haven't responded to that point, at least that I've read.
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight,
moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit.
Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
1. True he did stop all of those guys, but they're also a group of guys with poor defensive skills, something you would expect a boxer of Mosley's calibre to take advantage of.
2. I don't see anyone saying Corrales is ducking a fighter now he's dead do you? ;)
If you want to talk about a theoretical fight between Mayweather & Mosley fine, but I think people just think you should accept that as of now PBF is retired so is not ducking anyone. Also could you deal with the point about Mosley rejecting 2 fights with Mayweather before, as a number of posters have raised it but you haven't responded to that point, at least that I've read.
I'm not saying he's ducking, I stand by the belief that he retired to protect his record. And as far people saying mosley ducked him, that's fine, but the last thing that happened with situation was shane asked him for a fight While he was still active, and he dismissed it to mosley looking for a payday. So....I won't officially say ducking until he comes back and fights pacman or hatton over mosley... esp if he fights Hatton. That's why i'm pulling for Hatton so then in term of legacy, mosley should be priority one for floyd. in terms of money then fight pac and stop crying about not getting full credit at the end of every fight...and say at least i made a lot of money.
Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight,
moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit.
Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
1. True he did stop all of those guys,
but they're also a group of guys with poor defensive skills, something you would expect a boxer of Mosley's calibre to take advantage of.
2. I don't see anyone saying Corrales is ducking a fighter now he's dead do you? ;)
If you want to talk about a theoretical fight between Mayweather & Mosley fine, but I think people just think you should accept that as of now PBF is retired so is not ducking anyone. Also could you deal with the point about Mosley rejecting 2 fights with Mayweather before, as a number of posters have raised it but you haven't responded to that point, at least that I've read.
same with floyd...i.e baldomir and corely two guys that he hit at will and couldn't stop. but that's just being subjective and defending mosley.
Objectively i'd say baldoblaster has one of the toughest chins, hardest heads in the game, and floyd does have brittle hands so why risk injury when he could win the fight with pot shots. chop is just a tough contender.
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PBF will fight again if he runs out of $.
Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
For all of his incredible skills, Floyd is ultimately an attention whore. A fighter who is concerned about money first, legacy/challenges second. Unfortunately not all fighters consistently seek the best fighters and fights available. Not all fighters are going to have the mentality and courage of greats like Morales, Barrera, Pac, Mosley, etc. Floyd is going to milk this retirement business for all he can. But with his lust for attention and $$$...he will certainly come back. I just hope he looks for the great fights instead of the "event" fights...but that's highly doubtful.
Re: floyd turns down Mosley....
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is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
Who did Mosley fight at lightweight? Holiday?
IN the first Vargas fight, the only thing he was doing to Vargas was swelling up his eye, and thats what stopped the fight, Vargas was walking right through his punches, in the second fight Vargas was so badly weightdrained a breeze could have blown him over.
Against Mayorga it took him 12 rounds before the KO came. The reason why MayweatherJonesJr is an idiot is that Mosley KO's came against guys who sucked at LW, he was really good, but they weren't. Also he hasn't ko'ed a valid opponent in his career since moving up. De La Hoya, Collazo, Wright, Forrest, even Miguel Cotto. He stunned Cotto once or twice, but never really hurt him at all, people use Cotto slipping on a wetspot late as evidence of him being hurt, but fail to recognize Mosley actually slipped and fell in the same spot while no punches were being landed on him.
Mosley is a solid puncher no doubt, but he isn't a huge puncher above lightweight.
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
Who did Mosley fight at lightweight? Holiday?
IN the first Vargas fight, the only thing he was doing to Vargas was swelling up his eye, and thats what stopped the fight, Vargas was walking right through his punches, in the second fight Vargas was so badly weightdrained a breeze could have blown him over.
Against Mayorga it took him 12 rounds before the KO came. The reason why MayweatherJonesJr is an idiot is that Mosley KO's came against guys who sucked at LW, he was really good, but they weren't.
Also he hasn't ko'ed a valid opponent in his career since moving up. De La Hoya, Collazo, Wright, Forrest, even Miguel Cotto. He stunned Cotto once or twice, but never really hurt him at all, people use Cotto slipping on a wetspot late as evidence of him being hurt, but fail to recognize Mosley actually slipped and fell in the same spot while no punches were being landed on him.
Mosley is a solid puncher no doubt, but he isn't a huge puncher above lightweight.
thats weird because you claimed that delahoya punches harder than mosley and was a bigger threat than shane...yet they've kayoed the same people since moving up to 147 even 154...
take away the victories over the ruined vargas and mayorga...and shane still has the stoppage over margarito, which trumps any stoppage delahoya would have....and you sound stupid when you say "ALL HE WAS DOING WAS SWELLiNG UP HIS EYE", what!?!?!?!?!?!? That like moralles after the Rahem fight saying "he just kept hitting me and moving away"
damn you really are slow....and its funny that you're all of sudden super gung ho floyd when you thought hatton would give him problems....where I told you that fight would be easy and floyd would stop him easily. Like I said before you really dont like mosley...when I prove that he punches harder i.e. his kayo percentage you respond with he didn't stop a valid opponent...just like floyd will be in canasota as will mosley and it won't be because he didn't stop anybody...
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First of all Mayweather-Hatton wasn't easy for Mayweather, he was pressed against the ropes all night, but his defensive was just too tight, and Joe Cortez didn't let Hatton fight on the inside.
Oscar and Mosley have ko'ed a lot of the same guys but lets compare how they did it.
Lets go back to Jesse James Leija. Oscar ko'ed him in 2, it took Mosley 9 rounds. Wilfredo Rivera it took Oscar 8 rounds(where he won virtually ever round), it took Mosley 10 rounds(one person even had it just a round apart. Oscar KO'ed Vargas in 11, but this was Vargas in or near his prime, Mosley fought him 4 years later. The first fight Mosley stopped Vargas, but like I said Vargas wasn't being hurt by anything MOsley threw and was walking through it. Your example of Morales against Raheem is idiotic. How the fuck did you draw a comparison out of the two fights? I am stating that Mosley's power wasn't bothering Vargas, while you are trying to find some relation between me talking about punching power and someone being outboxed. The next fight MOsley did stop Vargas in 6, but he was badly weight drained. Lets compare Mayorga against both, Oscar stopped him in 6, he dropped him with a left hook in the first round, outboxed him with that jab every round. Mosley fought an ugly battle, and literally knocked Mayorga out in the last second of the last round.
Oscar was the first guy to stop JCC and did it twice(though once was a cut). JCC was ten times the fighter even at the end of his career that Margarito ever was, and ever will be.
Basically Mosley is KO'ing the same guys Oscar was, but after Oscar already did it, in a less impressive form. THere could be an arguement that Trinidad did it before either of them more impressively than either of them.
Back to my original conclusion Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, and Margarito all either badly hurt Cotto or stopped him, while Mosley couldn't. The first is a hard puncher, but a natural 140 pounder, the second is hardly a puncher at all, and the last isn't a big puncher either.
Right now I am not argueing whether Mayweather beats Mosley or not, just that people would have to be retarded to think Mosley stops him. There is no evidence to back this up.
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Exactly the reason why floyd will never get the respect he thinks he deserves. Every time he has a live challenge he turns it down and goes for a vulnerable option. Coward is probably my best description of him.
He wants Pac and doesn't want Mosley. Go figure. Mosley right now is in a great position that has opened up many options and has put any fighter willing to fight him in position to make more money. floyd has no excuse besides the fact the he's just no willing to risk losing his "0".
Hey Bx , he just don't like competitive opponents , don't misunderstand me , i don't mean that Pac isn't a competitive fighter i really like him as a real boxer and the best P4P , but Floy never liked to face any good WW since he retired........................... ;)
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First of all Mayweather-Hatton wasn't easy for Mayweather, he was pressed against the ropes all night, but his defensive was just too tight, and Joe Cortez didn't let Hatton fight on the inside.
Oscar and Mosley have ko'ed a lot of the same guys but lets compare how they did it.
Lets go back to Jesse James Leija. Oscar ko'ed him in 2, it took Mosley 9 rounds. Wilfredo Rivera it took Oscar 8 rounds(where he won virtually ever round), it took Mosley 10 rounds(one person even had it just a round apart. Oscar KO'ed Vargas in 11, but this was Vargas in or near his prime, Mosley fought him 4 years later. The first fight Mosley stopped Vargas, but like I said Vargas wasn't being hurt by anything MOsley through and was walking through it. Your example of Morales against Raheem is idiotic. How the fuck did you draw a comparison out of the two fights? I am stating that Mosley's power wasn't bothering Vargas, while you are trying to find some relation between me talking about punching power and someone being outboxed. The next fight MOsley did stop Vargas in 6, but he was badly weight drained. Lets compare Mayorga against both, Oscar stopped him in 6, he dropped him with a left hook in the first round, outboxed him with that jab every round. Mosley fought an ugly battle, and literally knocked Mayorga out in the last second of the last round.
Oscar was the first guy to stop JCC and did it twice(though once was a cut). JCC was ten times the fighter even at the end of his career that Margarito ever was, and ever will be.
Basically Mosley is KO'ing the same guys Oscar was, but after Oscar already did it, in a less impressive form. THere could be an arguement that Trinidad did it before either of them more impressively than either of them.
Back to my original conclusion Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, and Margarito all either badly hurt Cotto or stopped him, while Mosley couldn't. The first is a hard puncher, but a natural 140 pounder, the second is hardly a puncher at all, and the last isn't a big puncher either.
Right now I am not argueing whether Mayweather beast Mosley or not, just that people would have to be retarded to think Mosley stops him. There is no evidence to back this up.
Who said he was going to stop him? Even if someone did ,its far more plausible for shane to stop him than it is for him to stop shane...and who hurt cotto argument is silly because john ruiz knocked holyfield down...does this mean ruiz hits harder than Tyson and Lewis?
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I'm not arguing who beats who, but whether Mosley will beat Mayweather up, and I am saying he wouldn't Mayweather is too good defensively and he would tie Mosley up the same way SHane tied up Margarito.
Mosley-Mayweather is definitely a competitive fight, I just think their styles match up in Mayweather's favor.
MayweatherJonesJR after the Oscar fight for awhile I did see the MOsley-Mayweather fight going the same way you did. I even made a thread about if Oscar could make Mayweather defensive in their fight then the faster Mosley would take Floyd to the ropes and not allow Floyd to get anything off, but then I watched the fight more, and Oscar wasn't able to land anything effective. His jab wasn't working, and he landed clean shots only a handful of times against Mayweather. Also the guy who had been most effective against Floyd fought more like Cotto, and thats why I think Miguel is a more difficult guy for MAyweather, because his body is the easiest place to hit Floyd, and Shane is a good body puncher, but not a punishing one like Cotto is.
As for Mayweather stopping MOsley who said that he would? I never did. Floyd would break both his hands long before he would even hurt Shane.
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honestly Floyd could comeback next month and he would pick up right where he left off, he'd beat all of the following with little to no problem...
Berto
Collazo
Cintron
Margarito
Hatton (again)
Clottey
Judah (again)
Quintana
only ones to me that would actually challenge him and i still think he'd win cause of his stamina, skill, and defense are...
Cotto
Mosley
Williams
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i can no longer defend the guy in terms of where he stands in the all time ranks. whether he's retired or chooses to come back and fight. as it stands he not an all time great. He's on the same page as calzaghe IMO. Good fighters with great numerical numbers.
I agree with that. Id say where ever they stand on the ATG rankings, they should be close...and neither too close to the top ;)
Me too.
Both great fighters with huge skills, maybe the best, but both left a few unanswered questions by treading too carefully when the time was ripe to go for it.
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is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.
Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.
And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....
And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.
Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?
If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.
HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
You really are an idiot. Where in my post did i try to talk down Mosley's power? I said using YOUR logic, which is comparing fighters by who they could/couldn't knock out in their past, that Mosley isn't as powerful as Pac-man considering Pac knocked out ODLH and Mosley didn't.
I think Mosley/Floyd would be a great fight, but just like you, i have an opinion on the outcome, and that would be that PBF takes it. I can accept someone differing from my opinion QUITE fine.. But when you come here and try to say things are facts because in the past this guy couldn't KO someone is ridiculous, and thats when i get irritated to the point where i have to post..
Styles make fights. To say that Castillo doesn't have power because of the Hatton fight is real amateurish of you. Along with most of your other comments.
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HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.
I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.
Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.
idiot.
I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.
32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.
The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent.
It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"
There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.
And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"
You really are an idiot. Where in my post did i try to talk down Mosley's power? I said using YOUR logic, which is comparing fighters by who they could/couldn't knock out in their past, that Mosley isn't as powerful as Pac-man considering Pac knocked out ODLH and Mosley didn't.
I think Mosley/Floyd would be a great fight, but just like you, i have an opinion on the outcome, and that would be that PBF takes it. I can accept someone differing from my opinion QUITE fine.. But when you come here and try to say things are facts because in the past this guy couldn't KO someone is ridiculous, and thats when i get irritated to the point where i have to post..
Styles make fights. To say that Castillo doesn't have power because of the Hatton fight is real amateurish of you. Along with most of your other comments.
those comments about mosley's power weren't directed at you. they were toward taeth who claimed castillo and corrales are p4p bigger punchers than shane...which is clearly false. I honestly hadn't paid attention what you were saying any how. I think perhaps i quoted you by accident. Where you can clearly read that it was Taeth that claimed the p4p power comment..so that was a mistake on my part. And you can also further read that I make the point of how silly it is to determine who hits harder based off how they faired against the same opponent. By stating that just because ruiz scored a knockdown on holyfield doesn't mean he hits harder lewis and tyson who couldn't.
And I never said castillo didnt have power..i said he doesn't have as much p4p power as shane....to me p4p power means he carries it up to the next weight which shane has clearly done more effectively than both corrales and castillo. Based off the fights they've had at the higher weights.
