yes. if it wasn't for the cut Barrera would have killed Amir somewhere round the 9/10th round.
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yes. if it wasn't for the cut Barrera would have killed Amir somewhere round the 9/10th round.
Here's an article where MAB's cutman talks about the cut. I guess it was 3 inches long, and he ended up getting 30 stitches.
Michael Marley'�s Boxing Confidential� News, Analysis, and Commentary
That was a NASTY cut indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
If I am not mistaken, the score cards come into effect after the 4th round. It looked like Barrera was given the opportunity, and was probably advised at the time. So the loss is all on Barrera and his team.
obviously every fighter thinks they can win the fight, no one is gonna go on with an attitude of "shit, i'm done and have nothing left, but let me continue to take damage" :rolleyes: that'd be an idiot bud, stop trying to instigate, Arce aside from maybe one round was getting hammered and mauled against Darchinyan yet continued on until they finally stepped in and decided he couldn't continueQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIMO, Barrera decided to fight on thinking of winning the fight by shatering Amir's glass jaw... What's the purpose of continuing to fight is definitely to eventually win the fight... I still have to met a boxer who decided to fight on just to achieve a draw or worst, to get a loss...Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI don't know. I would love to find out what the doctor said to Barrera and what Barrera said back to him. There was no need to carry on with such a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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It is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I think it is 100% safe to blame MAB entirely on the cut. That cut was horrible, MAB would have beaten Khan if it weren't for the headbutt.
I didn't really give it that much thought........... I'm convinced... yep... your right! so then why didn't they stop it sooner? I'd still give 40% of the blame to MAB. How do I change my vote? :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeIt is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
It's a disgrace. And I'm still livid about it all. :mad::mad::mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeIt is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
They could see the bloody skull?? How was this fight not stopped? This is borderline criminal that Barrera was allowed to continue!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
They decided to continue fighting coz they're still hoping to land that punch that can turn the fight around... Warrior attitude is also one reason... They're hesitant to call it quits... They want a 3rd party (doctor, referee) to do it for them to save them the criticism of being labeled as a quitter...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesobviously every fighter thinks they can win the fight, no one is gonna go on with an attitude of "shit, i'm done and have nothing left, but let me continue to take damage" :rolleyes: that'd be an idiot bud, stop trying to instigate, Arce aside from maybe one round was getting hammered and mauled against Darchinyan yet continued on until they finally stepped in and decided he couldn't continueQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIMO, Barrera decided to fight on thinking of winning the fight by shatering Amir's glass jaw... What's the purpose of continuing to fight is definitely to eventually win the fight... I still have to met a boxer who decided to fight on just to achieve a draw or worst, to get a loss...Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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You can't really please everybody...
Boxer quits and he's criticized being a quitter...
Boxer fights on and he's criticized for being too brave for his own good...
Referee/Doctor stops the fight and criticized doing it too early...
Referee/Doctor didn't stop the fight and criticized being incompetent...
Only a few had called it correctly on the right time... Well, this is boxing... and surely you'll still encounter more of these situations in the future...
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I hope I never see a fighter with an injury like that allowed to go on EVER again. It doesn't matter who they are, and it's not about quitting or showing heart, it's about doing the right thing and looking after the safety of the fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I agree, it should have been a no contest had Barrera decided to quit. However, Barrera did not quit because he wanted to take the risk. Probably thinking that he could TKO khan. Khan did not give him the chance to do that so I give credits to Khan.
Had Barrera incidentally TKoed Khan with a lucky shot, the story would have been different. People would praise him for it and he will be back in the game again. Unfortunately for him, the tide did not go with him. Barrera took the risk and must suffer for it. Credit should be given to Khan.
It's not about quitting it's about looking after the health interests of the fighter. Barrera never quit, he doesn't have that in him, but it should have been stopped by those officiating and his corner should have pulled him out. There was no way the blood could be stopped and his performance suffered immensely because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
You are just trying to twist things, using words like quit.
How can Khan be given credit for that victory? I give him credit for winning rounds against a fighter cut as badly as can possibly be. But Khan hasn't proven anything with that empty win. Of course, Barrera would have been given credit if he managed to stop Khan after that butt, it would have shown a win in the face of terrible adversity. Khan wins by technicality only and even then it should have been a void fight.
Barrera took the risk and must suffer for it? What kind of talk is that? We have no idea what was said by the doctor in round 4. For all we know the doctor might have said Barrera would lose by tko if he couldn't continue, we don't know the full situation. At the end of the day that fight was not managed professionally and what should have been a fun fight got tarnished, I'm ashamed by how the fight was managed.
Your right! Would they have let him fight on if he was clearly in trouble and taking too much punishment? No chance! Warriors like Barrera will fight to the end regardless, that is why doctors have the power to stop a fight when injuries like this occur. The cut was horrible from the start, the ref took MAB to the doctor for a look and he let the fight go on. The gash needed 33 stitches to close, what doctor would ever say "that's ok he can fight on"Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
It is also the job of the ref, and the ringside doctor, to look out for the best interest of a fighter. When a man has a 3 inch gash on his head, that is spewing blood uncontrollably, then the doctor should be stopping the fight even if the fighter thinks he can continue. What doctor would allow a person that gets a 3 inch cut on his head in the 1st round, to continue fighting, and risking the cut to be ripped open even more? That was an incompetent doctor if you ask me.