Re: Fighters From Europe Are really overrated
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I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.
For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?
As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.
Nobody is talking about it though. Everyone on here knows his win over Jones means hardly anything. His win over Hopkins took on more value when Hopkins schooled Pavlik - Now if you want to talk about hyping a fighter....
With Hatton i think you have confused his fan-base with hype. Nobody believes he is/was the 2nd coming. Pretty much everyone on here knew where he was at.
You're a good and sensible poster, so I apologized to people out there that are offended by this thread I made, and you do have a point with fan base and hype. It's just that some posters on the internet and real life makes some ridiculous statements, like "Hatton will knock out Floyd or Pacman." I just knew that Hatton is a good fighter but in my eyes isn't within the same realm as Floyd or Pacman. Dariusz Michalczewski, a solid fighter but not an elite fighter like RJJ, neither is Calzaghe in my opinion.
And as a new poster I didn't know about the Mighty Mike joke, its just that I read some old posts here and many posters were making even more riduculous statements like, "Floyd duck fighters" or "Pacman fought a drained DeLaHoya at 147 and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight fair." Which in my opinion are idiotic statements themselves. SO it's hard to tell which is joking and which are real statements.
I mean everyone has their own opinion and it's my opinion that Calzaghe has done enough to be considered elite. Ok he didn't fight Jones or Hopkins in their prime but Hopkins shown what he has left when he destroyed Pavlik so it's fair to say he had something left.
Fact is Pac did fight a weight-drained Oscar, he needed a rehydration drip before the fight which suggest he wasn't keeping food down or able to eat food for some reason. He looked like total shit aswell. Still not Pac's fault. He did what he had to do and did it well.
A lot of people on here don't like Floyd. There is an argument for him avoiding certain fighters so people tag on to that. It's not a joke. I don't think he is that guilty, not to the extent where it would make me angry anyway.
Finally the sort of people who think 'Hatton will fucking smash Pac and mayweather' are the same sort of people who think Tyson is the greatest fighter of all time. In other words, they are uneducated and in fairness you aren't likely to come across them on this board. Maybe in the pub or in the comments section of a youtube video. They're most likely just general sports fans and not enthusiastic boxing fans.
Anyway if you stick around you'll most likely be able to tell the jokes from the serious stuff. ;)
Re: Fighters From Europe Are really overrated
Mike Tyson is the most overrated European heavyweight in the history of British boxing. That is all I will say more on this issue. :cool:
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Who's this Roy Jones guy :confused:
He's one of the Americans who ducked Sven Ottke.
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I don't think they are overrated at all I just think they are never known until they cross the Atlantic, that's when the media in the U.S starts to fidget including the fans and boxers.. all in all I think European boxers have proved themselves in their prime.. So Overrating is done only by the Media because the boxers you named above have competed against the best from the U.S and Around the world.
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Who's this Roy Jones guy :confused:
He's one of the Americans who ducked Sven Ottke.
Who's Sven Ottke :confused:
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Who's this Roy Jones guy :confused:
He's one of the Americans who ducked Sven Ottke.
Who's Sven Ottke :confused:
The greatest 168 lb fighter you are ever likely to see.
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He's one of the Americans who ducked Sven Ottke.
Who's Sven Ottke :confused:
The greatest 168 lb fighter you are ever likely to see.
damn straight, also the great Audley Harrison should get mention of P4P greats of all time;D damn Klitschko's dodging him left and right
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Who's Sven Ottke :confused:
The greatest 168 lb fighter you are ever likely to see.
damn straight, also the great Audley Harrison should get mention of P4P greats of all time;D damn Klitschko's dodging him left and right
Audley is a prospect.. his time will come.. ;D
better both klits to retire or else will get exposed.. both should nowhere near audley.. :wackomz4:
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The greatest 168 lb fighter you are ever likely to see.
damn straight, also the great Audley Harrison should get mention of P4P greats of all time;D damn Klitschko's dodging him left and right
Audley is a prospect.. his time will come.. ;D
better both klits to retire or else will get exposed.. both should nowhere near audley.. :wackomz4:
hope no guests have been readin this thread cause then they'd probably think we're all complete idiots lol
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;D (this thread)
Regarding Benn-Jones ducking each other. As most things in boxing it is just business.
Both Roy and Benn were willing to fight. There was talk of a $25million pot. However, Don King was Benn's co-promoter at the time. He wanted Jones to sign to options should he win. Jones didn't want to be tied to King. Also King's TV deal was with Showtime. Roy's HBO. And, of course, with big fighters from different sides of the pond you have a problem with what country it's staged in.
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some fighters are over rated from all over the world, i dont think your list has very good examples of over rated fighters from britain
But to look at the ricky hatton example for example, if you knew the outcome of every fight (or any sporting event for that matter) at that level (or at any level in fact) what would be the point in sport
people thought ricky had a chance, i certainly did, he was the best around at light welter, a world class fighter, alright floyd was cream of the crop but it has only been wins in the latter part of his carear included the win over hatton where people have started to realise just how good he is
i have to say this thread is sh!t, there arent many views in the op with any substance
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One of my favorite threads.
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One of my favorite threads.
That was one of your 1st posts here right General? Stirring the pot a bit there old boy, weren't we. ;)
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Re: Fighters From Europe Are really overrated
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No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.
A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.
A prime example would be everyone on this board was going on and on about how Hatton and some in the media was going to knock out Floyd then later Pacman in a few rounds. And that Floyd and Pacman were garbage fighters who cherry pick their fights and fought at home. But I guess fighting 90% of your fights against bums and in England or other places in Europe isn't right? :rolleyes:
And then when these Euro fighters beat elite fighters that are shot or past their primes like Calzaghe against Hopkins, JOnes Jr. as if its a celebration. And Nigel Benn revered in England ducked a prime Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins and would only want to fight them in Wembley. lol
Now I know some people wants to root for one of their own, but come on and be realistic. Sorry to say this but most fighters from Europe are really overrated. Hatton, Prince Naseem, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, etc. That Hatton and Pacman fight was plain garbage, Pacman and Floyd fought a club fighter that didnt' belong in the ring with them.
Wow! glad i seen this post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are bordering on foolish.
Everyone is wise after the event but as someone said if we knew the outcome before the fights had started what would be the point?
I have previously stated that JC is overrated in another thread but i am still a fan. I think he could have had a better career or carried on longer. Hopkins might have been 'past it' but he is still on top today.
I believe Hatton would have lost those 2 fights regardless but switching trainers at such a pivotal moment in his career was not the best move and his years of bad living between fights caught up with him.
Lennox Lewis overrated? just because he wasn't a devastating aggressive monster does not mean he was not great. He beat everyone he faced and his record reads like a who's who of the heavyweight division of his era.
There's a Nigel Benn interview after one of his fights (possibly Mcclellan) I watched it 2 days ago and he says he is prepared to face Jones but in the same sentence he says Jones is a different class. I don't believe for 1 second that Benn would duck anyone. When Jones was the man he refused to travel anywhere and had everything in his favour, now he is washed up he has gone abroad and lost because he has not many other options open to him. Do you believe Jones would have travelled far away from home in his prime to the other guys country with little support?
Naz was a love him or hate him guy. I loved him i loved the way he was so confident and he was a brutal finisher. He lost against MAB, no shame in that but he was not at his best by a mile. Another thing, for his comeback fight he fought Manuel Calvo and boxed his way to a wide decision (has been revealed since that he suffered from damaged hands most probably due to being such a hard hitter). Calvo was the European champ how many guys after suffering their first defeat would go straight back in to that level of fight.
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25 European champions. Wow that is pretty impressive. Considering there are about 100 alphabet soup organizations out there. lol What happened to the European Hype Hatton that would KO Floyd and Pacman? Hatton is a club fighter that made a name for himself for beating a shot Tzyu.
How about Calzaghe that won against shot fighters like Hopkins and Jones Jr.? Where was he when those 2 were in their prime? Why didn't Nigel Benn greatly revered in the UK fight a prime Hopkins and Jones Jr?
Hope you've been eating some words since that one GB. Ha....
