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06-15-2009, 03:02 PM
CFH

Re: they robbed clottey

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Originally Posted by RP33

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

no it shouldn't a KD is a KD, and in the rules of professional boxing if you score a knockdown, and don't get knocked down in return, you win the round by a score of 10-8, it's clearly stated in the rules of scoring, and to say Clottey won 8 rnds is upsurd, IMO Cotto won by ONE round and an extra point in the KD

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.

Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

I believe that on a "10 point must" system, you cannot score a 9-9 round. Not sure if that rule was in effect during this fight, but if that was the case then 10-8 for Cotto is the only way to score the round.

I am not a Cotto fan, but I had Cotto winning by a point, and the knock down was the reason for it. I did feel that Clottey landed the bigger shots, though. Especially considering that the knock down was from a Cotto jab. So if you used the Max Kellerman approach to scoring a round ("Who would you rather be at the end of the round?"), then i can see how anyone could have Clottey winning. At the end of the fight, i said that the fight could go either way, but i see Cotto as the winner, and felt that it was deserved.. no robbery in my eyes.

Could round have been scored 10-9 Cotto instead of 10-8?
06-15-2009, 06:40 PM
El Kabong

Re: they robbed clottey

I haven't seen the fight yet, I just saw the ESPN highlight which wasn't much. When I watch it without sound or disturbance, I will post my scoring on this thread. Sure I am a Cotto fan, but I will put that aside and be as honest as I can with the way I think the fight went.....I am very interested in watching the fight too, but I was on vacation for the weekend
06-15-2009, 06:42 PM
JonesJrMayweather

Re: they robbed clottey

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by RP33

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.

Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

I believe that on a "10 point must" system, you cannot score a 9-9 round. Not sure if that rule was in effect during this fight, but if that was the case then 10-8 for Cotto is the only way to score the round.

I am not a Cotto fan, but I had Cotto winning by a point, and the knock down was the reason for it. I did feel that Clottey landed the bigger shots, though. Especially considering that the knock down was from a Cotto jab. So if you used the Max Kellerman approach to scoring a round ("Who would you rather be at the end of the round?"), then i can see how anyone could have Clottey winning. At the end of the fight, i said that the fight could go either way, but i see Cotto as the winner, and felt that it was deserved.. no robbery in my eyes.

Could round have been scored 10-9 Cotto instead of 10-8?

Well like the rules state..in a ten point must system it's rare that a knocked down fighter wins the round and in that rare case its then scored 9-9...but i guess its moot because he lost by five on one card and by 3 on the other one. which it to say he was there to lose anyway..much like sturm-delahoya
06-15-2009, 06:47 PM
JonesJrMayweather

Re: they robbed clottey

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

no it shouldn't a KD is a KD, and in the rules of professional boxing if you score a knockdown, and don't get knocked down in return, you win the round by a score of 10-8, it's clearly stated in the rules of scoring, and to say Clottey won 8 rnds is upsurd, IMO Cotto won by ONE round and an extra point in the KD

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.

Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

so according to that Jones/Calzaghe rnd 1 should have been 9-9, cause aside from the KD Jones did jack shit, yet i scored the rnd 10-8 Jones

neither jones nor calzaghe did anything in the first round of that fight and the KD was the high point. so it was a 10-8 round...cotto lost every sec of the round until the balance shot happened..9-9 round, so according to what you've been saying if you knew how to score properly then cotto didn't win it was a draw...since you had cotto winning by one point...
06-15-2009, 06:52 PM
RP33

Re: they robbed clottey

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by RP33

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

dude no it isn't, you pulled that shit out of the air...so I'll refer you to this

Awarding Points
For each round, judges determine the score using the ten-point must system. This means that (usually) the winner of the round gets ten points, and the loser gets nine points. There are exceptions to this rule. For example, when a fighter is knocked down, that fighter loses a point. So if the fighter that was knocked down loses the round the score would be 10 to 8 for that round. If the fighter that was knocked down wins the round (which is rare) the score would be 9 to 9. If a fighter is knocked down twice, the score would normally be 10 to 7 for the round. If three knockdowns occur you should have a 10 to 6 round, etc. Also, it is possible for a judge to score a round as a tie, which is exceedingly rare. In this case the score for the round would be 10-10.

Boxing scoring@Everything2.com

I believe that on a "10 point must" system, you cannot score a 9-9 round. Not sure if that rule was in effect during this fight, but if that was the case then 10-8 for Cotto is the only way to score the round.

I am not a Cotto fan, but I had Cotto winning by a point, and the knock down was the reason for it. I did feel that Clottey landed the bigger shots, though. Especially considering that the knock down was from a Cotto jab. So if you used the Max Kellerman approach to scoring a round ("Who would you rather be at the end of the round?"), then i can see how anyone could have Clottey winning. At the end of the fight, i said that the fight could go either way, but i see Cotto as the winner, and felt that it was deserved.. no robbery in my eyes.

Could round have been scored 10-9 Cotto instead of 10-8?

don't believe so.. it can either be 10-8 Cotto, or 9-9 tie.
06-15-2009, 07:42 PM
Pugilistic

Re: they robbed clottey

Bullshit thread.

The fight was close and could of went either way.

Clottey had the fight going into the 10th round and did nothing to win those last three rounds, I'm not saying Cotto was great in those rounds but he did more.

The way i see it, Clottey had a man who looked beaten and was clearly discouraged by the cut and he did nothing to take advantage in the championship rounds. Cotto proved his heart by gutting out those last three rounds.

I hope there is a rematch.

If there is a rematch i expect Cotto to win a more clear decision.

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