Re: Award Vernon Forrest honorary title at 154
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I vote no. Nothing against Forrest but whats the point of awarding a championship when he never meet our conditions since they were established? We have set in place certain rules & conditions & I think its wise to stick to them. Plus it would look bad for our ratings imo to have a dead man advance through our rankings & become recognized as our champion.
I dunno ....... it worked for John Ruiz in real life, after all?
Re: Award Vernon Forrest honorary title at 154
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I vote no. Nothing against Forrest but whats the point of awarding a championship when he never meet our conditions since they were established? We have set in place certain rules & conditions & I think its wise to stick to them. Plus it would look bad for our ratings imo to have a dead man advance through our rankings & become recognized as our champion.
I don't really think its about maintaining the rating as much as it is just giving a guy a salute.When two credible pool members,ranked members get it on and fill out the spot,so be it.We're not talking permanent here.In hindsight and respectfully,I have no problem with Lopez,Vanes,Lattimore waiting a bit and it came off as just a bit rushed Imo.He was a champion,and he was killed.Hopefully we don't need exceptions like this again.Rules are rules...you are correct and 100% right but we have made exceptions on maintaining ranks before.Izzy?
Re: Award Vernon Forrest honorary title at 154
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I vote no. Nothing against Forrest but whats the point of awarding a championship when he never meet our conditions since they were established? We have set in place certain rules & conditions & I think its wise to stick to them. Plus it would look bad for our ratings imo to have a dead man advance through our rankings & become recognized as our champion.
I don't really think its about maintaining the rating as much as it is just giving a guy a salute.When two credible pool members,ranked members get it on and fill out the spot,so be it.We're not talking permanent here.In hindsight and respectfully,I have no problem with Lopez,Vanes,Lattimore waiting a bit and it came off as just a bit rushed Imo.He was a champion,and he was killed.Hopefully we don't need exceptions like this again.Rules are rules...you are correct and 100% right but we have made exceptions on maintaining ranks before.Izzy?
Give the guy a salute by all means... but there's no need to give him our championship! Sure he was a top fighter & a nice guy but he didn't meet our conditions. I can't see any reasonable reason to have a guy who's passed away included in our ratings! Especially if we want them to be credible... which is the reason I assume we maintain them in the 1st place, or else whats the point?
I know your opinions about filling vacancies but imo it give guys options... if we hadn't voted Antillon in to 10th at 135; Acosta victory would have only earned him a pool entry, where I feel he totally deserved ranking after defeating the highly touted prospect. Plus other places that maintain rankings don't leave positions vacant, if they have a top ten & someone drops out they fill the vacancy with a guy they feel is best by discussion, as we did by votes.
In regards to Vasquez' exception, he was out with a legitimate eye injury & there was the potential for him to return at that weight & we only maintained his ranking, we didn't award him the championship! There's no chance Forrest will return. Our ratings should be about the best current fighters in those divisions & due to tragic circumstances Forrest is no longer included in that group...
How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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How far should Karoly Balzsay (currently #7) fall after being stopped by unranked Robert Stieglitz in 10 rounds? 1-3 spots?
I vote 2 spots to settle at 9 pushing down the man he defeated recently Denis Inkin.
Should Jean Pascal remain in the pool at 168?
Should Jean Pascal be removed from the pool at 168 as he is now rated #6 at 175? His last fight at Super-Middle was April 4th ’09 so he still meets our requirements but what is the possibility of him returning to 168?
I think he should remain in the pool at 168 for a little while longer
Re: Should Jean Pascal remain in the pool at 168?
his last fight and next fight are/were at 168. Most of the guys that he could challenge for a spot will be tied up in the tournament. I think he will stay at 175.
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
Steiglitz dominated him I say 3 spots it was definately a complete one sided beat down. I am sending out a prayer for Balzay and am waiting for some kind of news from the hospital saying he's ok.
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
I'd have liked an option to the pool, I can't see ranking him above Dirrell (let alone Ward who's in the pool) on the basis of that performance. I'd personally say he should drop to the pool
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
I'd have liked an option to the pool, I can't see ranking him above Dirrell (let alone Ward who's in the pool) on the basis of that performance. I'd personally say he should drop to the pool
Considering he lost to someone not even in the pool, I agree. This was a shock. I expected this outcome. But the other way around.
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
Dirrell will get back on if he wins any matches in the tournament he will be back on and bump Balzay out. This will work it's way out once the tournament gets going.
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Dirrell will get back on if he wins any matches in the tournament he will be back on and bump Balzay out. This will work it's way out once the tournament gets going.
Yeah it will. Gotta trust the system.
Drop him 3 slots
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Dirrell will get back on if he wins any matches in the tournament he will be back on and bump Balzay out. This will work it's way out once the tournament gets going.
Yeah it will. Gotta trust the system.
Drop him 3 slots
You could say the same thing about Inkin losing to someone not in the pool, when he lost to Balzsay, yet he still remains ranked. I think you guys are being a little hard just because of a loss! Sure he was stopped, but Stieglitz isn't a bad fighter & packs a punch. I think a 3 place drop at most is fair considering he defeated a ranked fighter earlier this year...
As killer said the system will sort itself out as the tournament starts, it could also be argued that who has Dirrell beat that was better than Inkin?
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Dirrell will get back on if he wins any matches in the tournament he will be back on and bump Balzay out. This will work it's way out once the tournament gets going.
Yeah it will. Gotta trust the system.
Drop him 3 slots
You could say the same thing about Inkin losing to someone not in the pool, when he lost to Balzsay, yet he still remains ranked. I think you guys are being a little hard just because of a loss! Sure he was stopped, but Stieglitz isn't a bad fighter & packs a punch. I think a 3 place drop at most is fair considering he defeated a ranked fighter earlier this year...
As killer said the system will sort itself out as the tournament starts, it could also be argued that who has Dirrell beat that was better than Inkin?
I was being serious about my concern for his health, he was stretchered out of the ring.
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
Dirrell will get back on if he wins any matches in the tournament he will be back on and bump Balzay out. This will work it's way out once the tournament gets going.
Yeah it will. Gotta trust the system.
Drop him 3 slots
You could say the same thing about Inkin losing to someone not in the pool, when he lost to Balzsay, yet he still remains ranked. I think you guys are being a little hard just because of a loss! Sure he was stopped, but Stieglitz isn't a bad fighter & packs a punch. I think a 3 place drop at most is fair considering he defeated a ranked fighter earlier this year...
As killer said the system will sort itself out as the tournament starts, it could also be argued that who has Dirrell beat that was better than Inkin?
That's fine, butI think that with him only in 7th we should have been given the option of dropping him to the pool. Whether or not you believe we're being harsh, I think the option for him going to the pool off that loss should have been available
Re: How far should Karoly Balzsay drop?
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Yeah it will. Gotta trust the system.
Drop him 3 slots
You could say the same thing about Inkin losing to someone not in the pool, when he lost to Balzsay, yet he still remains ranked. I think you guys are being a little hard just because of a loss! Sure he was stopped, but Stieglitz isn't a bad fighter & packs a punch. I think a 3 place drop at most is fair considering he defeated a ranked fighter earlier this year...
As killer said the system will sort itself out as the tournament starts, it could also be argued that who has Dirrell beat that was better than Inkin?
That's fine, butI think that with him only in 7th we should have been given the option of dropping him to the pool. Whether or not you believe we're being harsh, I think the option for him going to the pool off that loss should have been available
The option wasn't given because it isn't in our rules. Balzsay has been active, has one a fight in a year & hasn't lost 2 fights in a row...
Many times before I have suggested stuff along the lines of if a fighter in the bottom 5 of the top 10 loses the option to drop him to the pool should be an option, but everyone seems to change their mind when its brought up, which is why we went with the 2 loses in a row option instead.
Maybe we should just revamp the whole process of dropping: If a fighter loses to a lower ranked fighter we should have the option to drop them 1 place all the way to the pool, I think bottom 5 would be the best option & leave 1-3 spots for top 5 rated guys
