Well when he first uttered the words "I'm a libertarian" then those quotes I just posted should never have been said by him unless they were in jest.
Are you confused or just terrified of me whuppin your ass in a debate AGAIN?
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Well when he first uttered the words "I'm a libertarian" then those quotes I just posted should never have been said by him unless they were in jest.
Are you confused or just terrified of me whuppin your ass in a debate AGAIN?
You two are outrageous. This is a thread about Michael Moore, the moral guardian of the self destructing USA. I hereby order you to go and get a room and a packet of extra strong durex! :D:p
In response to my last posting in this thread I would like to say to myself and anyone who is interested, you can now find a camera version of "Capitalism" on The Pirate Bay here:
Capitalism: A love story (real) [CAM] (download torrent) - TPB
I haven't watched it yet and am not too sure of the quality, but I am downloading it now and can't wait to watch it. I can't believe there are people that think Moore is the devil and that things are really okay economically. It's quite the opposite, fucked in fact. But the media is full of propaganda and people will believe whatever they are spoonfed, I guess.
I've downloaded half, the quality isn't perfect but it's quite watchable.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Changing your mind doesn't make you a hypocrite. It should be impossible for any libertarian to have lived through the financial crisis and still think ending all government regulation of the financial industry is a good idea, so if he now thinks the government should be doing more regulating then that just makes him smart, not a hypocrite. What you need to do to demonstrate hypocrisy is to show something like this :
The right-wing American commentator Rush Limbaugh has blamed the National Football League Players Association, the media and "race hustlers", such as Al Sharpton, for his being ousted from a bid to purchase the St Louis Rams.
Limbaugh was quoted on Bloomberg.com as having said on his talk radio show that unfair media coverage and pressure from Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, two black clergyman and civil-rights leaders whom he called "race hustlers", had contributed to the failure of his interest in the Rams.
The Guardian
16 October 2009
"So Much for the Post-Racial America. That's how Rush treats people — in the Martin Luther King aspiration that the content of one's character is what matters, not the color of one's skin. Yet, in the media narrative, he's somehow the one who's got a race issue — and the guys who trade on race, live and breathe it 24/7, are held up as our public conscience."
Andrew McCarthy
National Review
October 16th, 2009
As I explained on my radio show, this spectacle is bigger than I am on several levels. There is a contempt in the news business, including the sportswriter community, for conservatives that reflects the blind hatred espoused by Messrs. Sharpton and Jackson. "Racism" is too often their sledgehammer. And it is being used to try to keep citizens who don't share the left's agenda from participating in the full array of opportunities this nation otherwise affords each of us. It was on display many years ago in an effort to smear Clarence Thomas with racist stereotypes and keep him off the Supreme Court. More recently, it was employed against patriotic citizens who attended town-hall meetings and tea-party protests.
These intimidation tactics are working and spreading, and they are a blight on our society.
Rush Limbaugh
The Race Card, Football and Me
Wall Street Journal op-ed
October 16th, 2009
"He's a racist"......."He's an angry racist."
Rush Limbaugh on Professor Henry Gates
2009
"She's a bigot. She's a racist."
Rush Limbaugh on Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor
2009
"The biggest reverse racist in history."
Rush Limbaugh on Barack Obama
2009
"Just as he is ACORN, just as he is Van Jones, he is racism."
Rush Limbaugh on Barack Obama
2009
"How do you get promoted in a Barack Obama administration? By hating white people."
Rush Limbaugh on the Obama administration
2009
"You know, racism in this country is the exclusive province of the left."
Rush Limbaugh
2009
"We're witnessing racism all this week that led up to the inauguration. We're being told that we have to hope he succeeds. That we have to bend over, grab the ankles, bend over forward, backward, whichever, because his father's black, because this is the first black president."
Rush Limbaugh
2009
"The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry. And they want to use their power as a means of retribution. That's what Obama's about, gang. He's angry, he's gonna cut this country down to size, he's gonna make it pay for all the multicultural mistakes that it has made, its mistreatment of minorities. I know exactly what's going on."
Rush Limbaugh
2009
".....an outpost of racism and liberalism."
Rush Limbaugh on the NFL
2009
"They're moving to the back of the bus. They're saying, 'I can't use that drinking fountain? Okay. I can't use that restroom? Okay.' That's the modern day Republican Party. The equivalent of the Old South. The new oppressed minority."
Rush Limbaugh
2009
"Obama’s America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety but in Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering, 'Yay, right on, right on, right on, right on,' and, of course, everybody says the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he’s white."
Rush Limbaugh
2009
"You let George Bush's Navy gun down three black teenagers out there on the open sea and I guarantee there would be hell to pay.... If only President Obama had known that the three Somali community organizers were actually young black Muslim teenagers I'm sure he wouldn't have given the order to shoot."
Rush Limbaugh
2009
And you're doomed never to beat me in any argument because you never use facts and evidence. If you ever do decide to use facts in making an argument you'll find yourself agreeing and not disagreeing with me. Until then you'll continue to be beaten like a gong every time we argue about anything. It's hard to imagine the level of arrogance and conceit you must have for you to believe that you can ever disagree with Kirkland Laing, The Infallible One, and be correct. If I have Written something, ergo it is correct.
Kirkland, he didn't change his mind he has ALWAYS been a LIBERAL and never been a libertarian.
What the fuck are you trying to prove with this Rush Limbaugh stuff??? Let me be plain as fucking day with you....how many times has Jay-Z said the N word? More or less than Rush Limbaugh? He is part owner of the New Jersey Nets and nobody has batted an eye about that.....so you can take that little liberal chip off your shoulder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFbWjG5_48E
Right there in the video you won't bother to watch is Jay-Z being a racist and yet he still owns the New Jersey Nets.
"You can keep you p***, I don't want no more Bush, no more war, no more Iraq, no more WHITE LIES, because my President is black"
That bold and underlined part is what we like to call a double entendre which means (because I know you're too slow to understand), that a phrase has two meanings, in this case #1 White Lies - deliberate untrue statements not meant to cause harm #2 WHITE lies - meaning untrue statements made by people of Caucasian race.
ALL DAY....I can whup your ass in this debate ALL FUCKING DAY son :shotgun5lu8:
A couple of posts ago you were arguing he's a libertarian. Now you're claiming he was never a libertarian and was always a liberal. I won't accuse you of hypocrisy just because you changed your mind about this. And the NBA have no problem with the rapper owning a club, while the NFL clearly had reservations about allowing the race-baiter Limbaugh to be involved with the NFL. True to type, Limbaugh responded to the NFL apparently putting the blocks on him by accusing them of........ racism.
you two are like watching Groundhog day.
The liberal commentator I hate is Chris Matthews. Not cause of what he says, I agree with much of it but just cause he never shuts the fuck up. Always talking, gibber gabber, etc., endless monologues and then he'll talk over his guests which annoys me even when its a conservative. He's the Teddy Atlas of political commentators.
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Well said.
OK Kirkland obviously you are lacking your A game todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
#1 I never argued that Bill Maher was a libertarian....FACT
#2 I quoted Maher saying that he considered himself a libertarian and then I quoted him saying things that contradicted the view point of ANYONE considering themselves a libertarian
#3 You call Rush a "race baiter" but what was Jay-Z doing when he used the lyric "no more white lies, because my president in black"???
...are you ready to give up yet???
Capitalism is a very good film and I think even Lyle should give it a chance. It's not about vacuous political party allegience, but about a bunch of heartless fuckwits screwing up everything for everyone no matter what the cost...which was of course tax payer money and a rising and uncontrollable debt to the rest of the world. Surely, left or right people all agree that what has passed has been throughly lacking in accountability and responsibility. It was tough for Moore to tackle this film because it is an area that reaches out into so many areas, but on the whole he does a very good job. And you cannot doubt that his heart is in the right place.
I'm sure you will get some brainless twits muttering about 'facts', but you cannot really argue with the 'fact' that Americans have been right royally screwed up the bum for a long, long time.
I recommend the film to anyone with a conscience or a pulse. It's a good watch whether you agree or disagree with the message.
I can't take any more of your FACTS Lyle. Facts only from now on please if you want a reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleOK Kirkland obviously you are lacking your A game todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
#1 I never argued that Bill Maher was a libertarian....FACT
#2 I quoted Maher saying that he considered himself a libertarian and then I quoted him saying things that contradicted the view point of ANYONE considering themselves a libertarian
#3 You call Rush a "race baiter" but what was Jay-Z doing when he used the lyric "no more white lies, because my president in black"???
...are you ready to give up yet???
And stop being so hypersensitive to anything you think is racist from a black person, it's like you're the white Al Sharpton. I see no racism in what the rapper had to say and I'm sure only people like Limbaugh can see the racism there. The fact remains that the world in general and the NBA in particular don't see any problem with anything he said, unlike the NFL with the race-baiter Limbaugh.
The heartless fuckwits would be the politicians, right? Say what you like about people running Wall Street, they're not fuckwits. They are heartless though. Michael Moore will be doing a sequel to this film in a year or ten in which he'll wonder why the government not only bailed the banksters out but didn't bring in any effective regulation and gave them trillions of taxpayer money to play with which eventually led to the future even bigger meltdown that the next film will chronicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
When I say "fuckwit" it is more a general term of abuse for all those who just don't care about what they have planted. I apply the term liberally to all of those who have helped bring about what has been going on. It's not really an attack on intelligence. Those Wall Street people are clearly no fools, whence the power they are able to exert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe heartless fuckwits would be the politicians, right? Say what you like about people running Wall Street, they're not fuckwits. They are heartless though. Michael Moore will be doing a sequel to this film in a year or ten in which he'll wonder why the government not only bailed the banksters out but didn't bring in any effective regulation and gave them trillions of taxpayer money to play with which eventually led to the future even bigger meltdown that the next film will chronicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I know I'm quoting myself which is gay, but I shall proceed nonetheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesWhen I say "fuckwit" it is more a general term of abuse for all those who just don't care about what they have planted. I apply the term liberally to all of those who have helped bring about what has been going on. It's not really an attack on intelligence. Those Wall Street people are clearly no fools, whence the power they are able to exert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe heartless fuckwits would be the politicians, right? Say what you like about people running Wall Street, they're not fuckwits. They are heartless though. Michael Moore will be doing a sequel to this film in a year or ten in which he'll wonder why the government not only bailed the banksters out but didn't bring in any effective regulation and gave them trillions of taxpayer money to play with which eventually led to the future even bigger meltdown that the next film will chronicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I agree totally about the lack of regulation. It is totally insane. There appear to be no checks and balances and this money is given to them by the government from the working people who are experiencing the worst economic crisis since the great depression. This is some nutty shit and I don't know how anyone can defend what has been going on here.