I think he probably is not as bad as some say but he just doesn't finish well which unfortunately is kind of a big deal, he missed a one on one already today.
He's better than Eddie ;D
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I think he probably is not as bad as some say but he just doesn't finish well which unfortunately is kind of a big deal, he missed a one on one already today.
He's better than Eddie ;D
As for American comparisons I guarantee Donovan and Dempsey would do a better job than Voronin if played the same. Doesn't mean there necessarily big four players, neither is Voronin. :-\
Babel should just move on. I'm not sure he'd be in great demand but even if it meant back to the Netherlands why not, if you can't get a start in this lineup?
I agree, but not being a big four player doesn't mean you're crap....that's all I'm saying. I think Voronin's issues are #1 Coaching and #2 Liverpool buying him, he's good at what he does but what he does, Liverpool doesn't use it.Quote:
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Liverpool had Robbie Keane, nobody doubts his skill, but you saw how they used him...I think Rafa likes to play favorites with his players rather than play to win titles.
I never really understood the Keane buy. Didn't seem to really fit with what Benitez wants to do.
I mean you have Torres as the only true out and out striker with Gerrard behind him in the hole, Kuyt and Babel/Riera on the outside and Mascherano and Alonzo/Lucas behind them and Keane can play that role that Kuyt does but he's probably best as a striker in a 4-4-2, why not just buy an out and out winger instead?
For whatever reason I didn't really see Liverpool much when Keane was there (seemed like when I did see them he was on the bench) but I assume he was playing a similar role to what Kuyt does.
haha Ryan Babel just saved Benitez, brilliant goal.
Oh that was cruel ;D Sorry.
What the fuck is Benitez's end game anyway?!?!?? If he had any players in the world and could do anything he wanted what formation would he run, what players would he have and who would he bring off the bench??? I simply for the life of me do not know!!! Most managers have a SYSTEM, they have a set of core beliefs that if they do they WILL WIN.
For example, in American Football, Coach Paul Johnson of Georgia Tech. I know what he wants to do with his team, efficient yet time consuming option offense and a stout defense that gets 3 and outs. He wants a true running back as the "A Back" (the Fullback in the double wing formation) and he wants speedsters on the wings, he also needs a big fullback for blocking purposes, but he comes in as a substitute. I know exactly how Roy Williams wants to run UNC basketball as well. But for the life of me, I can't figure Benitez out....they never seem to have a plan, it just sort of comes to them as they are playing.
In the end, the American owners aren't the guys keeping Liverpool from winning, it's Benitez and his meddling with the fucking lineups!!!
Well... yeah, I know what I was talking about otherwise I would not have said freely; Alonso wanted to leave for a llonnngg time, I didn't find every articles I wanted (they seem to be offline for most of them now) but I found one article where Gerrard confesses it. Also, talks for Alonso occured before, informally but his name already circulated before, the new "big boss" at Madrid just decided to make of him a priority. Anyway, here's an article about it:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI totally disagree, 2 years ago there were already rumors that alonso wanted to go play back into Spain but it hasn't been "fire sprayed", knowing he could possibly leave eventually, BEnitez tried to secure the Barry deal but it felt out, Alonso had a good season and he couldn't say no to Madrid, especially as it is home, sunny, one of the best team available ever and the best way to impress the manager of Spain for the next European and world cup. now that the Barry deal felt off Benitez look like the evil wolf but there is reasons for what he has done.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
As for money, yeah they spend quite a lot for the last 3 years but wouldn't have they done that they would have gone nowhere (and spending that money doesn't mean they could afford every penny they spent, unfortunately)
Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.
Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.
4 Nov 2009 08:18:33
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By Adithya Ananth
Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed that he was "devastated" when Xabi Alonso left the club to ply his trade with Spanish heavyweights Real Madrid.
The Basque midfielder moved to the Bernabeu during the summer after five seasons at Anfield, and not a few have attributed the Reds' recent nosedive to his absence.
When asked how he felt about Alonso's departure, Gerrard told FourFourTwo magazine: "Devastated. But there was nothing I could do about it.
"Xabi said a long time ago that he wanted another chapter in his career and finally he got it and his team-mates and the coaches couldn't stand in his way.
"We just have to say thanks and move forward without him."
The Merseysiders sold Alonso for fee of around £30 million, and splurged most of the proceeds on bringing in Alberto Aquilani from Roma.
The new arrival has only recently recovered from injury, and Gerrard - who had a near-telepathic understanding with Alonso - believes that it will take some time for the Reds to move on without the midfield maestro.
"It's always going to be different when you lose one of the best players in the world - and people are finally realising that's what he is, on the back of his form for Real Madrid and the difference in us from last year," he said.
"We've got other midfielders here doing a good job but it will take a while before Alonso's out of our system because he was such a top player."
I was 'devastated' when Xabi Alonso left Liverpool for Real Madrid - Steven Gerrard - Goal.com
well done lyon;D
Drago... COME ON!!.... we are a bit despaired about what,s going on this year if you haven't already noticed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessDrago... COME ON!!.... we are a bit despaired about what,s going on this year if you haven't already noticed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
being a man united fan i am aware of liverpools situation & thats why i am enjoying it so much;D
when united lose my fkin mobile never stops with liverpool fans textin me takin the piss!
;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
oh noooo, you're for the empire of evilness of the premiereship (though slowly that title might switch from red to blue but remain into the same city).... is there anything we can do to save your soul? You know, cure for that exists ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessDrago... COME ON!!.... we are a bit despaired about what,s going on this year if you haven't already noticed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
being a man united fan i am aware of liverpools situation & thats why i am enjoying it so much;D
when united lose my fkin mobile never stops with liverpool fans textin me takin the piss!
;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
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Originally Posted by NamelessWell... yeah, I know what I was talking about otherwise I would not have said freely; Alonso wanted to leave for a llonnngg time, I didn't find every articles I wanted (they seem to be offline for most of them now) but I found one article where Gerrard confesses it. Also, talks for Alonso occured before, informally but his name already circulated before, the new "big boss" at Madrid just decided to make of him a priority. Anyway, here's an article about it:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Mate I dont want to be rude but you seriously dont know what the fuck your talking about, Alonso was not touted to go to Madrid till Perez became President in 2009. The previous president didnt want Alonso where the hell did you get that information from?? Every time the new president comes in at Madrid they lay the cards out on who they are going for to secure the vote. Alonso was never talked about till 2009 to Madrid, the only club who wanted him before that was Juventus and Alonso didnt want to go.
Alonso was told by Benitez he needed to be sold to raise funds for Gareth Barry, so how would you feel about that your manager doesnt think your good enough, thats why he left. Im 120% certain he would still be there if Benitez didnt do what he did in 2008, ask any Liverpool fan why Alonso left.
4 Nov 2009 08:18:33
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By Adithya Ananth
Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed that he was "devastated" when Xabi Alonso left the club to ply his trade with Spanish heavyweights Real Madrid.
The Basque midfielder moved to the Bernabeu during the summer after five seasons at Anfield, and not a few have attributed the Reds' recent nosedive to his absence.
When asked how he felt about Alonso's departure, Gerrard told FourFourTwo magazine: "Devastated. But there was nothing I could do about it.
"Xabi said a long time ago that he wanted another chapter in his career and finally he got it and his team-mates and the coaches couldn't stand in his way.
"We just have to say thanks and move forward without him."
The Merseysiders sold Alonso for fee of around £30 million, and splurged most of the proceeds on bringing in Alberto Aquilani from Roma.
The new arrival has only recently recovered from injury, and Gerrard - who had a near-telepathic understanding with Alonso - believes that it will take some time for the Reds to move on without the midfield maestro.
"It's always going to be different when you lose one of the best players in the world - and people are finally realising that's what he is, on the back of his form for Real Madrid and the difference in us from last year," he said.
"We've got other midfielders here doing a good job but it will take a while before Alonso's out of our system because he was such a top player."
I was 'devastated' when Xabi Alonso left Liverpool for Real Madrid - Steven Gerrard - Goal.com
:vd:
Mate we know the day Bentiez tried to flog Alonso in the summer of 2008 he wanted to leave, that is what Gerrard is reffering too, what im trying to get through to you is Madrid did not come in for Alonso till Perez came in 2009, is that to hard to understand??
The only team who wanted Alonso in 2008 was Juventus Alonso didnt fancy a move to Italy.
Let's put it this way Liverpool were prepared to sell Alonso for around |15 million, so if Madrid were after him like you say they were ( which 100% FACT they were not) why not buy him when he was available for 15 million?? No i mean better business sense would be not buy him then buy him after 12 months when Liverpool dont want to sell and pay 30 million.
Go look for some articles when perez became president it will make things alot clearer and while your at it go google when Liverpool tried to sell Alonso in the summer of 2008 you will fins hundreds of links with Juventus after buying him but not one for Madrid??????????
not trying to be a nob here but telling you 100% Madrid did not want Alonso till Perez came in FACT.
I know the Juventus tried to land him IN, more than Madrid, I agree on that. What I say is that Madrid were thinking a bit about him (at the time), it was just not one of their priority so to speak, there was an interest, an eye on the guy but it was not a priority. Perez made him a priority when he kicked in. That year, Alonso had one of the best years of his life (if not the best). These 2 facts: 1) Alonso having a killer year + 2)Perez deciding to make of him one of his priority (and not only an interest) changed the whole equation and why the price for him did soar big time.Quote:
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Originally Posted by NamelessWell... yeah, I know what I was talking about otherwise I would not have said freely; Alonso wanted to leave for a llonnngg time, I didn't find every articles I wanted (they seem to be offline for most of them now) but I found one article where Gerrard confesses it. Also, talks for Alonso occured before, informally but his name already circulated before, the new "big boss" at Madrid just decided to make of him a priority. Anyway, here's an article about it:Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
4 Nov 2009 08:18:33
http://i.media.goal.com/g/54518_news.jpg
By Adithya Ananth
Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has revealed that he was "devastated" when Xabi Alonso left the club to ply his trade with Spanish heavyweights Real Madrid.
The Basque midfielder moved to the Bernabeu during the summer after five seasons at Anfield, and not a few have attributed the Reds' recent nosedive to his absence.
When asked how he felt about Alonso's departure, Gerrard told FourFourTwo magazine: "Devastated. But there was nothing I could do about it.
"Xabi said a long time ago that he wanted another chapter in his career and finally he got it and his team-mates and the coaches couldn't stand in his way.
"We just have to say thanks and move forward without him."
The Merseysiders sold Alonso for fee of around £30 million, and splurged most of the proceeds on bringing in Alberto Aquilani from Roma.
The new arrival has only recently recovered from injury, and Gerrard - who had a near-telepathic understanding with Alonso - believes that it will take some time for the Reds to move on without the midfield maestro.
"It's always going to be different when you lose one of the best players in the world - and people are finally realising that's what he is, on the back of his form for Real Madrid and the difference in us from last year," he said.
"We've got other midfielders here doing a good job but it will take a while before Alonso's out of our system because he was such a top player."
I was 'devastated' when Xabi Alonso left Liverpool for Real Madrid - Steven Gerrard - Goal.com
:vd:
Mate we know the day Bentiez tried to flog Alonso in the summer of 2008 he wanted to leave, that is what Gerrard is reffering too, what im trying to get through to you is Madrid did not come in for Alonso till Perez came in 2009, is that to hard to understand??
The only team who wanted Alonso in 2008 was Juventus Alonso didnt fancy a move to Italy.
Let's put it this way Liverpool were prepared to sell Alonso for around |15 million, so if Madrid were after him like you say they were ( which 100% FACT they were not) why not buy him when he was available for 15 million?? No i mean better business sense would be not buy him then buy him after 12 months when Liverpool dont want to sell and pay 30 million.
Go look for some articles when perez became president it will make things alot clearer and while your at it go google when Liverpool tried to sell Alonso in the summer of 2008 you will fins hundreds of links with Juventus after buying him but not one for Madrid??????????
not trying to be a nob here but telling you 100% Madrid did not want Alonso till Perez came in FACT.
I recall something like 2 years ago on Eurosport.fr, there was an interview with him and he did state that "playing at Madrid would be an absolute dream for him but that he was feeling good at Anfield", which means "I would love to play for Madrid but I can't shout it too loud, especially as I am ok here". I just didn't find the article, unfortunately as Eurosport.fr do not keep long track of such interviews.