Hatton vs Marquez

Style wise and skill, it is easy to pick JMM if weight and age is not an issue, but it is.

Marquez is older now, and I don't think his body type supports 140 lbs well without ring skills showing signs for loss of natural speed, quickness and agility. He needs all of these attributes, to go with his superior counter-punching in order to put a relentless attacker/rusher in Ricky Hatton to remain without control over fighting distance.

In the meantime, can Ricky Hatton still fit in a 140 lb fighting/punching machine body without suffering the ill-effects of weight reduction?

Maybe, but isn't that similar to the dangerous yo-yo diet, now made much worse, even life-threathing, for chained at its end is a life and death date against an elite fighter the caliber of Juan Manuel Marquez.

If both would only "wink-wink" and make money out of the opportunity, then it should be OK, it will be guaranteed entertaining for their respective fans.

The thing is tho', for true warriors like both of them, it'd be viewed, indeed an opportunity yes, but at the same time to mistakenly be, to recapture old glory.

Both Marquez and Hatton are bound by their rich past to over-reach and to over achieve, probable with youth on one's side, but dangerous at the actual present conditions for both. Scary really, for these scenarios are ripe for bad consequences.

A considerable amount for deep thinking is on call, and both should seek it! IMHO.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

JMM is not a front foot fighter. He's a versatile guy that can take little steps back and counter, he can come forward but its not his preference. I swear HattonTheHammer's just fucking with us sometimes ;D I refuse to accept any other explanation.

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Either that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;D

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

JMM is not a front foot fighter. He's a versatile guy that can take little steps back and counter, he can come forward but its not his preference. I swear HattonTheHammer's just fucking with us sometimes ;D I refuse to accept any other explanation.

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Either that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;D

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Ok so style wise, JMM and KT have nothing remotely in common??


riiiiiggghhhtt!!

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

JMM is not a front foot fighter. He's a versatile guy that can take little steps back and counter, he can come forward but its not his preference. I swear HattonTheHammer's just fucking with us sometimes ;D I refuse to accept any other explanation.

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Either that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;D

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Ok so style wise, JMM and KT have nothing remotely in common??


riiiiiggghhhtt!!

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ok, in what ways are they similar?

I'm with everybody else here. JMM beats Hatton like a gong (something I'm looking forward to seeing) and HTH is an idiot. Hatton would have been better off trying to beat Diaz, he's got no chance against JMM having been badly sparked last time out then having to come down from 200 pounds yet again, without Kerry Hope to do the weight properly too. I don't think it'll go the distance.

If Hatton carnt get him out of there by the 2nd i fear Marquez will just be to sharp of a counter puncher for him and stop him around the 8th.

A prime Hatton would be to big and strong for Marquez at 140 based on the Marquez - Daiz fight imo.But at this stage Hattons punch resinstance has dropped very low and confidence has gone.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

JMM is not a front foot fighter. He's a versatile guy that can take little steps back and counter, he can come forward but its not his preference. I swear HattonTheHammer's just fucking with us sometimes ;D I refuse to accept any other explanation.

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Either that or he's the new TM. Serious. ;D

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Ok so style wise, JMM and KT have nothing remotely in common??


riiiiiggghhhtt!!

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You just described Marquez as a come forward flurry punching fighter - you plonker. He is an expert counter puncher, versatile enough to adapt to his situation/opponent.

Hatton is perfect for him to pick apart. On the bridle to boot.

I think Hatton is out of his mind thinking he can win this fight. Marquez cannot be stopped, and Hatton blocks punches with his face. Unless the judges go blind Marquez can take the fight to his playground (backing up on and off the ropes throwing flurries) and win on points. Hatton would have been an exhausted mess if he lasted those first 2 rounds against Pac. I think he looking too lean to fight. It must really feel terrible.

I have no pity for him, he's won millions of $$$ and had a great career. Now he should step aside and let other people get hit in the head and box like an amateur in pro fights, DAMNIT!

And...

Tszyu made a career out of one weight class more or less. So it's a little defficult to compare his with Marquez. I think that Tszyu beats him well. He had great timing and was very patient and Marquez likes to counterpunch. Tszyu would walk him down and give him nowhere to punch from.
But, I consider Marquez a better fighter in history, because his opposition level was harder.

Tszyu si nothing like Marquez, though!
Tszyu - come forward offensive minded
Marquez - side to side conterpuncher

I think they had one big thing in common.. The ability to finish a fight

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I'm with everybody else here. JMM beats Hatton like a gong (something I'm looking forward to seeing) and HTH is an idiot. Hatton would have been better off trying to beat Diaz, he's got no chance against JMM having been badly sparked last time out then having to come down from 200 pounds yet again, without Kerry Hope to do the weight properly too. I don't think it'll go the distance.

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In my opinion he gets a far worse beating from Diaz. Juan doesn't have Marquez's punching power and will extend Hatton's beating by several more rounds before Ricky can't take anymore. I guarantee you Marquez was sorer than Diaz after they fought. Diaz does very well against brawlers. His two (three counting Malignaggi) losses came against slick fighters, guys who reduce an opponents capability to hit them in return. Sure, Marquez soaked up a lot of punishment first, but when he turned on Diaz didn't know what to do with himself. Ricky's style is tailor-made for someone like Juan Diaz.

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technically JMM is a class above and if this fight were in america id pick marquez every day of the week.

But the crowd will be rapturous, the ring will be small and the ref will have no option other than to allow the contest to turn into an out an out fight.

Key factor will be whether ricky has it in him to produce a Tszyu like performance 4-5years on or is he wasted goods??

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Hatton has never come close to replicating the Tszyu showing, two of the worst knockouts in recent memory belong to Hatton. And you want to suggest he can roll back the clock. :-\

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you mean to the 2 very fighters that are about to fight for the right to potentially call themselves the greatest of all time?? yeah real embarrasing

Marquez is the most tszyu-esque opponent out there. He leads in, throws punches in flurrys, looks to dominate on the front foot.

If he can beat tszyu he can more than handle marquez

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WTF??

Hammer have you actully ever seen Marquez fight?? He leads in, throws punches in flurrys and looks to dominate on the front foot????

He basically does the exapt opposite to what you just said, Marquez is a counter puncher he box's off the back foot looking for oppurtunites. Ricky is made for Marquez.

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Originally Posted by BritBox

Back to the point...Hatton is in serious danger of damaging his legacy. JMM is the wrong type of fighter for Hatton.

1) Hatton is mentally shot and lacks confidence, whereas JMM has shown time and time again that when he loses, he just comes back fighting physically and mentally.

2) Hatton cannot keep fluctuating in weight. look at him now...he's HUGE!

3) He needs a tune up fight like Lazcano. Get his confidence back a bit.

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:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?

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Back to the point...Hatton is in serious danger of damaging his legacy. JMM is the wrong type of fighter for Hatton.

1) Hatton is mentally shot and lacks confidence, whereas JMM has shown time and time again that when he loses, he just comes back fighting physically and mentally.

2) Hatton cannot keep fluctuating in weight. look at him now...he's HUGE!

3) He needs a tune up fight like Lazcano. Get his confidence back a bit.

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:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?

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Yes im with VD here, a loss to JMM doesnt really effect his so called legacy, he will go down as a decent world champion but nowhere near the top 100 fighters of all time.

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Back to the point...Hatton is in serious danger of damaging his legacy. JMM is the wrong type of fighter for Hatton.

1) Hatton is mentally shot and lacks confidence, whereas JMM has shown time and time again that when he loses, he just comes back fighting physically and mentally.

2) Hatton cannot keep fluctuating in weight. look at him now...he's HUGE!

3) He needs a tune up fight like Lazcano. Get his confidence back a bit.

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:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?

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Yes im with VD here, a loss to JMM doesnt really effect his so called legacy, he will go down as a decent world champion but nowhere near the top 100 fighters of all time.

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He's a domestic fighter with a big following. Nothing more. He has no legacy. Facts don't lie. His biggest win is over an aging fighter who had fought less than 2 rounds in 2 years. And was coming off multiple surgeries. And even than he still needed the assistance of a bias referee to get the win. Most of his career has been hand picked. It's no surprise that he remains undefeated in the UK. And all his losses have come away from home. Outside the UK Hatton is forced to fight live opponents and fight without a referee in his pocket.

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:lolhaha: Hatton has a legacy? Since when?

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Yes im with VD here, a loss to JMM doesnt really effect his so called legacy, he will go down as a decent world champion but nowhere near the top 100 fighters of all time.

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He's a domestic fighter with a big following. Nothing more. He has no legacy. Facts don't lie. His biggest win is over an aging fighter who had fought less than 2 rounds in 2 years. And was coming off multiple surgeries. And even than he still needed the assistance of a bias referee to get the win. Most of his career has been hand picked. It's no surprise that he remains undefeated in the UK. And all his losses have come away from home. Outside the UK Hatton is forced to fight live opponents and fight without a referee in his pocket.

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Oh come on! Hatton was better than that. He's just all fukd up in the head and the accumulation of punishment because of his fighting style and life style brought down his competitiveness.