Re: this is why pacquaio wants specifc test dates
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actually it's a little of all that killersheep. whether you believe it or not, it's ultimately all about control. just wait and see, this fight will still get done. pac will take a random test and we'll all be happy watching this 1st quarter of 2010.
Control for what? Everything else has already been agreed to. I had a lot of respect for Pacquiao, he was my fighter of the year vote no question. He has accomplished some amazing things. I don't understand the argument that Pacquiao is taking control by being ignorant to why testing procedures need to be random or being afraid of needles. Maybe he is just getting a jumpstart on his political career?
Also running around in a delirium of panic is hardly what I would call control, it's the exact opposite.
these are just big egos colliding. there's no question it would be fair if both fighters take the random test, but it's that mayweather dictating the terms of how it should be done that's unacceptable to team pac. floyd never asked previous opponents before for such test. now because sr. says pac is on roids and they have to have the test they have to do it? everything is just posturing and it'll get done in the end.
Re: this is why pacquaio wants specifc test dates
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KKisser
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killersheep
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KKisser
actually it's a little of all that killersheep. whether you believe it or not, it's ultimately all about control. just wait and see, this fight will still get done. pac will take a random test and we'll all be happy watching this 1st quarter of 2010.
Control for what? Everything else has already been agreed to. I had a lot of respect for Pacquiao, he was my fighter of the year vote no question. He has accomplished some amazing things. I don't understand the argument that Pacquiao is taking control by being ignorant to why testing procedures need to be random or being afraid of needles. Maybe he is just getting a jumpstart on his political career?
Also running around in a delirium of panic is hardly what I would call control, it's the exact opposite.
these are just big egos colliding. there's no question it would be fair if both fighters take the random test, but it's that mayweather dictating the terms of how it should be done that's unacceptable to team pac. everything is just posturing and it'll get done in the end.
further proving that Pacquiao is the one holding up the fight with his diva attitude, he's acting like a spoiled brat and a whiney bitch
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KKisser
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Control for what? Everything else has already been agreed to. I had a lot of respect for Pacquiao, he was my fighter of the year vote no question. He has accomplished some amazing things. I don't understand the argument that Pacquiao is taking control by being ignorant to why testing procedures need to be random or being afraid of needles. Maybe he is just getting a jumpstart on his political career?
Also running around in a delirium of panic is hardly what I would call control, it's the exact opposite.
these are just big egos colliding. there's no question it would be fair if both fighters take the random test, but it's that mayweather dictating the terms of how it should be done that's unacceptable to team pac. everything is just posturing and it'll get done in the end.
further proving that Pacquiao is the one holding up the fight with his diva attitude, he's acting like a spoiled brat and a whiney bitch
you could also say floyd asking for this kind of test which has never been done before in any championship fight is holding up the fight, and the same description can be said of money mayweather.
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you could also say floyd asking for this kind of test which has never been done before in any championship fight is holding up the fight, and the same description can be said of money mayweather.
You could, but both Pac and PBF are playing for their historical legacy now, and this narrative simply puts Pac on the wrong side: ie, on the side of sports authorities who've long enabled cheating by requiring testing standards that are easy to manipulate.
Since its unlikely a cheater would require strict testing, PBF has managed to transform himself into a good guy whose historical accomplishments now seem above rebuke, like Ken Griffey jr.
If PBF had required some obscure and unprecedented test never before used, I'd agree he's simply deploying a pretense to avoid fighting...but Olympic testing is considered fair and square, as is PBFs reputation now.
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Here’s what I don’t get about the article. You have this expert providing information on how specifically EPO is measured for by using the blood cells and then says random testing is essential.
If blood is taken immediately following the fight and it can be measured for increased capacity and then there is the fact that synthetic EPO molecule can be checked for in urine. http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/epo.html Random checking of urine is a direct method. Even if an undetectable masking agent is used, it wipes out all the EPO, not just the synthetic stuff so they will know it was washed. So why make the statement random blood testing is essential? I’m having a hard time believing the veracity of this article. It’s either that or this expert is lying.
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They're not just looking for an EPO though.
if you're tested post fight then you can have trained with PEDs, had your body respond in a more anabolic (therefore beneficial) way to the stimulus placed on it in training camp yet show up clean because you've cycled off them before the fight.
PEDs etc are not just a case of popping them before the fight and having them charge you up like a super shot of latte or something.
Trace amounts of stuff show up in urine, but not inter cellular stuff and the amounts you get in urine... it's pretty easy to argue that they're naturally there and just slightly above average... it's also far to easy to mask things in urine and the testing being random is a bit of a no brainer...
Like 100s of people keep saying - it's all to easy to cycle or mask things if you know exactly what and when the tests will be.
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Now that team pbf is withdrawing that, it means that they can't back up their claims. How many times do i have to say that the fight will move on. Do you think pac is backing up from a 40m payday? As a hater you fucking wish. That's because you label pac as a coward when your balls is'nt even the half of pac's balls. All of you fucking internet warriors are only brave when you're in front of your pc's. Can't be half the man pac is. Now that's a fact.
That's it. Keep going. Suck that Pac dikk. brucelee would be proud.
Fukking faggot
Re: this is why pacquaio wants specifc test dates
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Now that team pbf is withdrawing that, it means that they can't back up their claims. How many times do i have to say that the fight will move on. Do you think pac is backing up from a 40m payday? As a hater you fucking wish. That's because you label pac as a coward when your balls is'nt even the half of pac's balls. All of you fucking internet warriors are only brave when you're in front of your pc's. Can't be half the man pac is. Now that's a fact.
says the dude who went all Ahkmed the terrorist on everyone who disagrees with hiim "......PACQUIAO IS NOT A CHEAAAAAAAAT........I'll KEEL YOUUUUUU"
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but it's that mayweather dictating the terms of how it should be done that's unacceptable to team pac.
Mayweather dictating terms? Let's see here...
Pac: fight should be on March, $10 million for extra pound you go above the agreed 147, 8oz gloves, 50/50 split, etc.
Mayweather:.........blood test:rolleyes:.
Who's making demands here?
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but it's that mayweather dictating the terms of how it should be done that's unacceptable to team pac.
Mayweather dictating terms? Let's see here...
Pac: fight should be on March, $10 million for extra pound you go above the agreed 147, 8oz gloves, 50/50 split, etc.
Mayweather:.........blood test:rolleyes:.
Who's making demands here?
the $10m was a direct reaction immediately to mayweather's demand of olympic type drug testing so you got to see where it's coming from... all about control. 8 oz gloves never was an issue while the 50/50 split wasn't dictated by pac alone, in case you forgot both sides were demanding the bigger size of the pie so both camp have to agree to meet in the middle to make it happen.
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but it's that mayweather dictating the terms of how it should be done that's unacceptable to team pac.
Mayweather dictating terms? Let's see here...
Pac: fight should be on March, $10 million for extra pound you go above the agreed 147, 8oz gloves, 50/50 split, etc.
Mayweather:.........blood test:rolleyes:.
Who's making demands here?
the $10m was a direct reaction immediately to mayweather's demand of olympic type drug testing so you got to see where it's coming from... all about control. 8 oz gloves never was an issue while the 50/50 split wasn't dictated by pac alone, in case you forgot both sides were demanding the bigger size of the pie so both camp have to agree to meet in the middle to make it happen.
no buddy the $10 million per pound thing came before the blood tests, and Floyd accepted
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let me just make it clear that i'm not at all justifying pac's actions. what i'm just trying to say is that the reason why pac isn't keen on the demand of this type of testing is not because he's hiding something but because mayweather is demanding it and they do not want to be demanded upon. i think pac will eventually agree to a random testing but not the way floyd insisted on. both guys are divas and have big egos so they would like to make it appear that it's the other guy who needs the fight more. all of us wants to see this fight and all these brouhaha and posturing would make for a more interesting encounter once the fight happens.
Re: this is why pacquaio wants specifc test dates
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ElTerribleMorales
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KKisser
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Mayweather dictating terms? Let's see here...
Pac: fight should be on March, $10 million for extra pound you go above the agreed 147, 8oz gloves, 50/50 split, etc.
Mayweather:.........blood test:rolleyes:.
Who's making demands here?
the $10m was a direct reaction immediately to mayweather's demand of olympic type drug testing so you got to see where it's coming from... all about control. 8 oz gloves never was an issue while the 50/50 split wasn't dictated by pac alone, in case you forgot both sides were demanding the bigger size of the pie so both camp have to agree to meet in the middle to make it happen.
no buddy the $10 million per pound thing came before the blood tests, and Floyd accepted
can you show me a link. i've seen they demanded the amount only after floyd insisted on the testing.
decided to look for it meself:
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It is extremely unlikely that Mayweather will have trouble making the 147 pound limit, but it is telling that Pacquiao is making such an enormous demand; more than 30 times more severe than the penalty for the Mayweather/Marquez fight. On one hand you could say that Pacquiao is just trying to protect himself from any Mayweather hijinks, but I think the more interesting take on the situation is that it's a measure of vengeance for Mayweather's insistence on Olympic-style drug testing.
Pac/May - Psychological Warfare - 10 Million Dollar Penalty For Weight? - Avi \"Shoefly\" Korine - The Rumble - Sporting News
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They're not just looking for an EPO though.
if you're tested post fight then you can have trained with PEDs, had your body respond in a more anabolic (therefore beneficial) way to the stimulus placed on it in training camp yet show up clean because you've cycled off them before the fight.
PEDs etc are not just a case of popping them before the fight and having them charge you up like a super shot of latte or something.
Trace amounts of stuff show up in urine, but not inter cellular stuff and the amounts you get in urine... it's pretty easy to argue that they're naturally there and just slightly above average... it's also far to easy to mask things in urine and the testing being random is a bit of a no brainer...
Like 100s of people keep saying - it's all to easy to cycle or mask things if you know exactly what and when the tests will be.
That doesn't really address the question. I was pointing out that the expert in the article specifically identified EPO and why it was important for blood testing and that it be random. As an expert he knows what the effects are, what to look for, and how masking is done. So it's either the author how is intentionally changing context of the statements given by the expert or the expert is lying. Why?
I'm not try to argue that one method is better than the other and random testing has it's applications. I don't get the expert testimony having a bad conclusion with such an excellent supporting statements. Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org
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AdamGB
They're not just looking for an EPO though.
if you're tested post fight then you can have trained with PEDs, had your body respond in a more anabolic (therefore beneficial) way to the stimulus placed on it in training camp yet show up clean because you've cycled off them before the fight.
PEDs etc are not just a case of popping them before the fight and having them charge you up like a super shot of latte or something.
Trace amounts of stuff show up in urine, but not inter cellular stuff and the amounts you get in urine... it's pretty easy to argue that they're naturally there and just slightly above average... it's also far to easy to mask things in urine and the testing being random is a bit of a no brainer...
Like 100s of people keep saying - it's all to easy to cycle or mask things if you know exactly what and when the tests will be.
That doesn't really address the question. I was pointing out that the expert in the article specifically identified EPO and why it was important for blood testing and that it be random. As an expert he knows what the effects are, what to look for, and how masking is done. So it's either the author how is intentionally changing context of the statements given by the expert or the expert is lying. Why?
I'm not try to argue that one method is better than the other and random testing has it's applications. I don't get the expert testimony having a bad conclusion with such an excellent supporting statements.
Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org
From the link you have provided the blood is only an added measure for testing and in other article a screening of athlete to determine who they deem necessary for a urine test. But the urine is sufficient for detecting EPO.
