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That's a dumb-assed off target statement. I mean really @ 168 these are the best in the world, all of them, and its certainly not like any fighter in the tourney black or white is light years ahead in terms of talent or skill over the others. Dirrell may be physically gifted, but he doesn't have any power, his defensive skills are border line roller skating. This tourney has matched them almost perfectly because on any given night either of them could beat the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
The super-six tournament has shown that white fighters get hyped up and over-rated. Abraham wouldn't have got to Dirrell even if the fight had been 15 rounds. He has NO SKILLS. He just comes forward and that's it. No feints, no headmovement, no bobbing and weaving, no combos, he's got nothing apart from strength. He should take up MMA, that's not diss to him. It's just that I think his style of fighting would be more suited to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
And as far as your second statement, do you honestly know how much skill it takes to be able to win a fight without those skills? I mean this plodding heavybag still had dirrell on his bike the last third of the fight and still managed to drop him however unofficial. Next time try to make a point without racial statements, because truthfully the most technically sound fighter in the tourney is Mikkell Kessler (a white guy), but that alone isn't going to win as you see he's already lost...
quit with the black / white crap...which you've done elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Abraham is a average fighter, but white fighters tend to get hyped up, same with Kelly Pavlik, when they are faced with movement and speed they struggle. Abraham struggled against a faded Jermain Taylor. So what was gonna happen when faced with fresh fighter in his prime ? It was a no brainer. Ward and Dirrell are the two best fighters in the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
banned from thread.
A-men. IMO he was acting up a bit but the foul was as ridicilously blatant as they come, crazy how this thread dissing Dirrell is joint longest cpncerning this fight. Maybe a different type of fighter would have jumped up and steadied himself to payback, but bottom line this type of foul when done so blatant is an instant dq anyway, far worse than Jones-Griffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
No, because it wasn't all that flush and it was an arm shot at best. He looked back at him and then touched his face like it physically hurt him. Seriously, i've never ever seen someone wince from pain, take a second to think about it and then flop. Especially when the shot wasn't anything special.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestySo now Dirrell taking that shot flush unexpectedly on the canvas isn't a real injury? Please tell me I'm not hearing thisQuote:
Originally Posted by onoYou can't even compare the two incidents. For a start one was a real injury, the other one wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by markb018
You can point out at a thousand similar incidents, but i know what i saw. I saw a man taking the easy way out.
Nothing adds up. Hel felt the pain of the shot, and he was cleary annoyed with the shot, then he paused, then he went down. He rolled in and out of the ring, before he started twitching his leg. He wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes.
When he came round he acted like he thought he'd lost, but as soon as someone mentioned he'd won, his memory came back in a flash, which wouldn't happen, and his recollection of the knockout blow would in all probability not come back to him, certainly not that quickly. He was also coherent enough to hear somebody ringside questioning the knockout, which again is strange. He then got upset at what he'd heard. Again, bizarre behaviour for somebody who had been out cold for a while.
But what's even more bizarre is that despite apparently being unconscious for a good while and despite suffering a convulsion, no sign of even the mildest concussion showed up on the scans.
I see you're a neurologist. Regardless, any boxer who has been a pro longer than a year knows it's an automatic DQ when you hit an opponent while he is down. So, if Dirrell 'thought about it' as you say, why go through the embarrassment and subject himself to scrutiny by falling onto his back, flopping around and endanger his career by presenting himself as completely disoriented during the post-fight interview. None of these things engender themselves to prolonging one's career. For the next half dozen or so fights, definitely for the remainder of this tourney, people are going to be questioning if Dirrell should be in this tourney, if his head is right, if he has the ability to be effective. Fighters sometimes fake being hurt, but they don't fake discombobulation. It calls into question too many things they need to have established in order to be considered elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoNo, because it wasn't all that flush and it was an arm shot at best. He looked back at him and then touched his face like it physically hurt him. Seriously, i've never ever seen someone wince from pain, take a second to think about it and then flop. Especially when the shot wasn't anything special.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestySo now Dirrell taking that shot flush unexpectedly on the canvas isn't a real injury? Please tell me I'm not hearing thisQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
You can point out at a thousand similar incidents, but i know what i saw. I saw a man taking the easy way out.
Nothing adds up. Hel felt the pain of the shot, and he was cleary annoyed with the shot, then he paused, then he went down. He rolled in and out of the ring, before he started twitching his leg. He wouldn't let the Dr look into his eyes.
When he came round he acted like he thought he'd lost, but as soon as someone mentioned he'd won, his memory came back in a flash, which wouldn't happen, and his recollection of the knockout blow would in all probability not come back to him, certainly not that quickly. He was also coherent enough to hear somebody ringside questioning the knockout, which again is strange. He then got upset at what he'd heard. Again, bizarre behaviour for somebody who had been out cold for a while.
But what's even more bizarre is that despite apparently being unconscious for a good while and despite suffering a convulsion, no sign of even the mildest concussion showed up on the scans.
Haha, then stop. It's not like your arguing with the same person over and over, it's just you you you you... Relax. It's not false logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Would of, could of.....Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
didn't.
Irrelevent.
Thanks for your contribution.
Sorry, Im tired of arguing the same thing over and over and then someone comes and posts the exact same false logic again.
Logic is defined by the application of knowledge and I think enough is known about both fighters to to assume that a stoppage (whether voluntary or involuntary) was still a viable outcome in that fight... Even at that point.
I'm not saying this is truth. No not at all... but to call it false logic IS actually nonsense. It's with the whole ''it's irrelevant'' opinion.
Again, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just opening up the dynamic of this supposedly black & white argument.
Lastly... Shouldn't Abraham be docked points for a disqualification? I mean it's not quite the same as loosing fairly, is it? The fact that AA is still top of the table is just wrong!
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Originally Posted by eagleskinsAnd it shows black fighters are absolute pussies with zero power, and can only win when the ref and all 3 judges are from the same place as the contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200The super-six tournament has shown that white fighters get hyped up and over-rated. Abraham wouldn't have got to Dirrell even if the fight had been 15 rounds. He has NO SKILLS. He just comes forward and that's it. No feints, no headmovement, no bobbing and weaving, no combos, he's got nothing apart from strength. He should take up MMA, that's not diss to him. It's just that I think his style of fighting would be more suited to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleskins
Thats just racist abraham was gonna win by knockout i admit if he just had patient i think abraham was gonna knock him out them body shots were 2 much. But u def need to grow up and leave race out of this it has nothing to do with it. I'd play dead 2 if i was gonna get knocked out and he would actually do a dumb foul like that. lol call it what you want but how can you cheat a cheater???
Can we just ban denilson & eagleskins from the forum?
They're clearly both racists & we don't need retards like that around here.
I second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
yes, dirrell just showed that AA is just human...He dominated AA...I think dirrell got hurt pretty bad by that illegal blow..:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by sumkalambaydid you even watch the fight? it was entertaining. fucking dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
it's an illegal punch and dq was the proper decision. no question about that. in the heat of the fight and the growing objective of abraham to ko dirrel, that illegal punch could be intentional or not intentional.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherYoure missing the point, Dirrell didn't make AA hit him while he was down. Even if he got up the fight would or could have been called anyhow. The foul is why he was DQ'd not because dirrell was "acting"...Quote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
dirrell found a way to eliminate the possibility of him being ko'ed in the last remaining 5 minutes of the fight. why risk further when you can already secure a "sure win by dq" by not standing up. if he stood up and brush the punch as if nothing happens, there's a possibility that abraham is just penalized with points deduction.
Ok, first off hitting someone while down isn't an automatic dq. I've seen it done many times and the ref usually takes into consideration whether it was intentional or not. The severity and situation surrounding the foul dictates when someone is dq'd. Same as a low blow. Unless a fighter obviously and maliciously throws a low blow or a punch way after the bell, they are usually penalized or warned before ending the fight.
My opinion is that AA didn't intentionally foul him. It was heat of the moment and he was loading up cause he had Dirrell hurt and was looking for a ko.
Dirrell's response is hard for me to determine. My first thought was he faked it. His initial response was very odd after receiving a knockout blow. However, his responses and behavior after the dq make me wonder. I'm undecided, I watched it several times and still can't make up my mind whether he faked it or not.
Overall, the foul and Dirrell not being able to continue left the ref with only 2 options. He could have dq'd or went to the scorecards, just like an accidental headbutt. Either of those would have left Dirrell with a win. So it's very unfortunate that AA threw that punch. I felt like Dirrell was in big trouble and very well may have been ko'd in the 12th. I'm sure if AA could do it over he wouldn't have thrown that punch. It was a terrible ending no matter how it really happened. If Dirrell faked that, he's a fruitcake. If AA threw it on purpose he's a dirty punk. If it was an accidental punch, it ruined AA's chance of winning and possibly severely injured a young and very talented fighter.
No matter how you skin it, it sucks.:(:(:(
it was funny when abe said "he is good actor" after the fight.
direll was hitting him low the whole night,and when abe knocked direll down from a punch,they called it a slip.by the time abe saw him slip,he was so aggrivated he just hit him anyway. :)
i blame most of it on bad refereeing in the first place.
still,cant hit a guy when he's down,be it a knock down or a slip.
they need to get joe cortez in there or something.
is mills lane still coming back anytime soon?