Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
There should be a ban on posters attempting to do these VD-esque threads like these. He gets the balance right, so at least if you don't agree you at least get something funny out of it. Now whenever I read these kind of threads, I just feel disappointed.
This is like turning up to see a Manny Pacquiao fight & getting to watch Mark Melligen instead.
Anyway, no Haye isn't manufactured. You could accuse almost any of the hyped Brits of recent years (Hatton, Calzaghe, Khan) of being manufactured and taking weak opposition, but you just can't say that about Haye. He's always taken tough challenges and chances, and with confidence I can say he will have fought a Klitschko by the end of the year.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
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generalbulldog
David Haye in my opinion is another Amir Khan or should I say Con?
Just like Con boy he picks up an alphabet strap by fighting the worst champion in the division in Con boy's case it was Kotelnik, in Haye's case Valuev. Valuev retained his belt via controversial decision against Holyfield and Kotelnik via controversial decision against Maidana. Just like Con boy he is also the holder of the WBA belt. Arguably the worst major organization out there with super champions and interim champions. And he also defended his strap against a weak mandatory, in Con boy's case Salita and Haye's case Ruiz (now all of a sudden people are acting like Ruiz was elite.)
Haye and Con boy also ducked the real champ of the division and the elite contenders. Con boy ducks Maidana, an somewhat elite contender with dangerous power, and Tim Bradley considered by many to be the man of the 140 pounders. Haye ducks an elite contender in Vitali (with the WBC strap) and punked out against the champ/man of the HW division, Wladimir.
Haye just like con boy gets hyped up, so called savior of the HW division and will supposedly beat the Klit Bros easily.
Both Con boy and Haye are what boxing fans like me would like to called manufactured "champs." And please stop calling Haye the HW champ, he's not, that's like calling Con boy 140 pound champ, he's not. Last I checked Wladimir is still the man at HW and Bradley is the man at 140. Having a trinket don't mean shit in today's boxing.
What I just typed out is the truth. Ain't no exaggerating anything.
Your timing with this topic just come off as sour grapes for me.
Haye wins a fight and now you feel the need to start a little Haye hating eh?
Champs, manufactured or not are still champs. If it was so easy then everyone would do it now wouldn't they? Ah right, but they can't.
I disagree. I beat up Valuev last week. Had him crying and everything. ;D
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
To be honest i'm not sure of either guy really...haye had even me going for a bit. But now that i look back i don't think he ever intended on fighting either klitch. I think the talk and t shirts were more meant to help him sell lesser fights against valuev, ruiz, arreolla, chambers people like that. I actually feel kinda bad for doubting the brothers for not fighting haye when he was just using thier names the same way people use floyd. But hey it worked so can't knock him for it. I know everyone hates khan but he's another i'm not sure about. He does have some potential there and one loss can be better for some guys than bad.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
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Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?
People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?
And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.
He's british get over it.
Him being British has nothing to do with it.
Half of this forum said he was the next Evander Holyfield. He is the savior of the HW division, he beats the Klit Bros easily because Wlad is chinny, and Vitali is 38 and old and doesn't look good in his past fights. Was these not the arguments? And some even think he has just as good a resume or better than the Klit bros. Oh yeah, the Klit bros are afraid of Haye because they supposedly priced themselves out by offering Haye an unfair contract.
The truth is David Haye has not taken on great opposition at HW by fighting Valuev, 38 year old Ruiz, Monte Barret. The guy avoided the Klit bros, not once but twice.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
I Really Don't Get This Manufactured Crap Very Boxer Has To Learn His Trade & David Has & Is Doing This Better Than Most Self Promotion Is Not A Sin It Is All Part Of The Same Plan To Maximise Earning Power.
He Has Not Ducked Anyone He Has Stormed The Heavyweight Division After Cleaning Up The Crusiers Just What More Does The Guy Have To Do To Stop Your Whinging BULLDOG
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
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I Really Don't Get This Manufactured Crap Very Boxer Has To Learn His Trade & David Has & Is Doing This Better Than Most Self Promotion Is Not A Sin It Is All Part Of The Same Plan To Maximise Earning Power.
He Has Not Ducked Anyone He Has Stormed The Heavyweight Division After Cleaning Up The Crusiers Just What More Does The Guy Have To Do To Stop Your Whinging BULLDOG
Become a yank probably.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
Haye has done better than I thought He would. Now I wouldnt Bet against Him.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
Haye has done more than Khan. Haye was undisputed cw kingpin. At HW he is still a question mark but he is more proven than Khan.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
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generalbulldog
Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?
People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?
And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.
He's british get over it.
Him being British has nothing to do with it.
Half of this forum said he was the next Evander Holyfield. He is the savior of the HW division, he beats the Klit Bros easily because Wlad is chinny, and Vitali is 38 and old and doesn't look good in his past fights. Was these not the arguments? And some even think he has just as good a resume or better than the Klit bros. Oh yeah, the Klit bros are afraid of Haye because they supposedly priced themselves out by offering Haye an unfair contract.
The truth is David Haye has not taken on great opposition at HW by fighting Valuev, 38 year old Ruiz, Monte Barret. The guy avoided the Klit bros, not once but twice.
So if it's not about his nationality whats your problem?
He dominated his previous weightclass and now he's moved up and beaten everyone put in front of him, called out wlad to his face and would have fought him already if he hadn't got injured. And now he's looking to fight Wlad at wembley or in america or whereever.
Now please. Stop talking crap.
Personally after recently watching vids of both wlad and vit I think Vit would be the easier fight for him.
Re: David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"
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So if it's not about his nationality whats your problem?
Um he talks shit non-stop but then when those fights are offered to him he balks at taking them because he's a punk b*tch. Sure we all understand the Setanta deal, but after that was resolved the dude made the logical decision to go for the least respected/most easily accessable belt. Good for him BUT if that was the goal all along then why make all the fuss with the trash talk?
I don't care if the guy was from the fucking moon, you don't talk shit like that and then run away....but far be it from me to try and explain to you fans why it's wrong to talk shit and then get the hell out of dodge.
