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You are an absolute moron. One of the biggest I have seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I don't care your still a hypocrit. Wlad is boxing shite opponants, but your fine with that cuz it's wlad and you have your nose up his arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Wlad fights shit opponents? Look at the resume, clown. Now compare it with Haye.
OK let's look at the FACTS...the Harrison fight is coming up soon (October/November I forget which month) and of course the WBA title holder likes to take time off after each fight. Wlad, who just fought this weekend is putting in 1 more fight this year which should keep him on schedule for a Summer showdown with the WBA title holder and you think its poor form? Why? What do you want Wlad to do? Do you want him to wait, because he tried it once during the whole "I injured my back shadow boxing" drama and we'd still be waiting right now if it weren't for Wlad wanting to prove he's the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
My honest opinion on the quick turn around #1 He can get a lot of title defenses in he's only 34 I haven't looked at the numbers but maybe they make a run on Louis' 25 in a row #2 Manny wants Wlad to get credit in the US (same as he wanted for Lennox Lewis) and he's turning Wlad back from safety first to throwing big bombs earlier and it'll take a while for Wlad to get comfortable with that but he will eventually and it'll be good for everyone.
You're a bit too much of an optimistic person.Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
I think Haye was justified in pulling out of the first fight and in turning down Vitali's offer. However, those moves did begin to cast doubt on how truthful he was being with his claims about cleaning up the HW division etc. and it is very hard to defend him turning down Klitscko's last offer in favor of a fight with Harrison.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
There was a sheer gulf in class Saturday night and Wlad should have had him out of there early - would have got people talking more.
Haye would have had Peter inside 3 I reckon
3! What are you smoking?!? A guy that cautiously boxed Nicolay Valuev would steamroll Sam Peter?!?! Wow... Just wow.
Maybe not inside 3, but I have no doubt the result vs Haye would have been the same.
I'd seriously doubt Peter vs even Audley.
Anyone who could survive that first round can beat Peter. He was woeful.
Sam may well be shot now but keep in mind, just because Wlad makes someone look bad doesn't mean its easy to beat them.
You are right, Haye would not have Koed Peter that early, you cannot criticise Wlad for beating what is out there. At least he is taking the best available fighters out there and not Audley Harrison.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
that would have been my bet yes, Haye in 3 - I don't smoke, it's bad for youQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If I got in the ring with Ronnie Corbett and he went for me gung ho style I would say "Ronnie are you fucking mental ??" Then twat him big time.
So of course Haye fought Valuev cautiously, he's fucking massive ! - as he would have to do Klits too
Haye probably wouldn't even step into the ring with Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou are right, Haye would not have Koed Peter that early, you cannot criticise Wlad for beating what is out there. At least he is taking the best available fighters out there and not Audley Harrison.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'm taking nothing away from Wlad, he got the job done efficiently and never really looked in any difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ita just a shame that Peter couldn't really do his game plan for longer than 90 seconds. You could see how he wanted to fight when he started, loads of head movement, throwing big shots, ducking and weaving around the ring. After that he just plodded forward taking punches.
It's a shame as he did look decent coming up to the fight, but he clearly wasn't. Even the Wlad fans must be disapointed it wasn't more of a challenge.
I have no problem with 10th round KO's, to me it doesn't mean you are any worse than someone who blows them away in 3 rounds, the late KO's generally come from the more experienced pros who have learnt not to throw it all on the line to get an opponent out early.
I just think that both Haye and the K's are milking this a bit and neither is an inocent part in all this.
No, but when "Fat" Eddie Chambers beats someone it probably means they aren't championship material.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Guys much worse then Eddie Chambers have won heavyweight titles in recent years. Chambers has one of the better skillsets in the division but absolutely no size to match.
Anyways, there are only 4 people I would even be mildly interested in seeing face Wlad.
Povetkin
Solis
Haye
Vitali
Obviously he's not fighting Vitali. Povetkin is to slow and small probably. Solis would be interesting but he's a pretty big unknown at this point. And Haye I think we know who he is. He miiight have some speed to trouble Wlad but I doubt it.
Listen, Chicken Little might win a UD vs Sam Peter MAYBE if he turned the gas way up on him he could make Sam quit but I HIGHLY doubt he'd stop him....why? Because this is the first time it's been done and it took 9 1/2 rounds of big bombs to do it....but I guess if you're allowed (as Chicken Little is [and if you don't believe me just watch the Ruiz fight]) to land repeatedly to the back of the head with no warning, then maybe he'd stop him.....eventually.
Saying Sam Peter wouldn't beat Audley is just childish...Audley couldn't even beat a top 10 British Heavyweight much less a top 10 WORLD class heavyweight. Sam Peter is exactly that, he is world class, yes he flailed around quite a bit and it looked like he lacked any talent....but being a slugger that's part of the game, how many times did you see Joe Frazier wildly swing and miss? How about George Foreman? Earnie Shavers? Ron Lyle? Gerry Cooney? Tommy Morrison? Razor Ruddock? Guys who hit hard and are just being out classed can look silly....it doesn't mean they aren't dangerous.
Eventually Chicken Little will be forced to step up the class of his opponents: Barrett, Valuev, Ruiz, Harrison.....that just doesn't cut it. Why no Arreola? Why no Povetkin? Why no Dimitrenko? Dimitrenko would be an EASY fight for Chicken Little! It would prepare him for the height, reach, and size of a Klitschko with 0 danger!!! Dimitrenko is easy to hit, he has fast hands but doesn't hit hard, he's only been beaten once (by Eddie Chambers a top fighter) and I do honestly think he would be the first fighter to stop Dimitrenko. Harrison is preparing him for the size of a Klitschko, but Audley's not fresh, he may punch a bit harder than Dimitrenko and hell Audley has been violently KO'd before....and shit Audley couldn't even beat Dominick Guinn! I would be impressed if Chicken Little KO'd Guinn, he's never been stopped either...doesn't mean he's good or anything, but it would allow me to accurately judge his power.