Re: Kirkland fight SPOILERS!!
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miles
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TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.
Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.
And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.
You don't hold a fighter to the ground when he is obviously trying to get up. He was losing the round horribly, but quite in control of his senses. Maybe it would have made no difference. But just as he probably wouldn't have put on a Marquez masterclass, he might very well have cleared his head between rounds and gone on to knockout the profoundly civilised person that was very clearly Japanese.
I ALWAYS disagree with premature stoppages. You only stop a fight if the legs have turned to jelly or you are cut down to the skull. Anything else is the ref trying to take centre stage and Cortez is the king of that.
Was this fight under the 3-KO rule? If so, then he made the right desicion to stop it :-\ . Just following the rules.
not the 3-0 rules, but the fight wasn't ending any different no matter when it was over, in my opinion.
is it me or have a lot of americans and american prospects been biting the dust recently? paul williams, danny jacobs, james kirkland, kelly pavlik for that matter, cris arreola etc.
Re: Kirkland fight SPOILERS!!
Kirkland has lost his mind and hell yes the fight should have been stopped. Just because you can get up forty times doesn't mean the ref should let you. This you hit me and i'll just hit you back harder eventually style he has is gonna get him beat by a lot of the top guys. The japanese guy would have continued to give himself space and pick his shots all night. Kirkland only knows one thing, come forward and punch repeat. Ref just got everyone to the next fight quicker is all.
Re: Kirkland fight SPOILERS!!
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
TBH I really don't see too many people complainig about the stoppage, well on other forums that is.
Because let's be honest, someone will always have something to complain. If it gets stopped too late, people complain, if it's too soon they still complain.
And Kirkland I'm pretty sure doesn't have the boxing IQ of JMM to turn fights around when he's on his back. Just a gut feeling.
You don't hold a fighter to the ground when he is obviously trying to get up. He was losing the round horribly, but quite in control of his senses. Maybe it would have made no difference. But just as he probably wouldn't have put on a Marquez masterclass, he might very well have cleared his head between rounds and gone on to knockout the profoundly civilised person that was very clearly Japanese.
I ALWAYS disagree with premature stoppages. You only stop a fight if the legs have turned to jelly or you are cut down to the skull. Anything else is the ref trying to take centre stage and Cortez is the king of that.
So you're saying Kirkland wasn't hurt right? He was hurt bad. I don't think that's up for discussion. Those weren't flash knock downs.
JMM got a pass because that was a championship unification fight where the one holding the titles get the benefit of the doubt and are allowed to continue. This was no championship fight. Just a prospect getting his ass whipped.
Re: Kirkland fight SPOILERS!!
He fought like a dickhead. Went in unprotected and had a scare. Instead of adjusting and tightening his defense up, kept going unprotected and got the inevitable. You would hope he learns from this but I have my doubts, especially after hearing his view of what went wrong with the fight.
Re: Kirkland fight SPOILERS!!
Apparently Kirkland hasn't had any sparring and hasn't been talking to his trainer Kenny Adams for the past 4 weeks. It's absolutely ridiculous to think you can go in against a guy who has fought at championship level (I thought he beat Canelo's brother) without that. He needs to get on his hands & knees and beg Ann Wolfe to take him back.
As it is, I don't think he's chinny. He got dropped only by Allen Conyers previously, and he can really punch, and was up immediately & dropping him. Maybe something did happen in prison, but I suspect that his current training system is fucking him. I also think GBP should have given him another easy fight after the Berrio one, there was too much of a jump imo.
Still it all added to a good card for the fans. I've got to say Golden Boy get a lot of stick, but I'm impressed by their willingness to put their guys (Ortiz, Jacobs, Khan, Broner & Kirkland) in tricky fights even if it doesn't always work out.
