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Finally got the fight. Ive seen the first 3 rounds and definately PAC won 1 and 3. and good claim at round 2 as well.
Pugilistic
since no one among the 5 of you gave round 3 to PAC are you willing to debate with me that Pacquiao won round 3? lets make a thread about it.
I am watching ROUND 3 right now for the 2nd time and IMO it is a CLEAR ROUND for Pacquiao.
I will rewatch it tomorrow and post my scores,etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
P.S Round 1 was not a clear Pacquiao round. Neither fighter did alot, i gave it to Pac for being slightly busier.
It could of easily of went Marquez's way though.
Rounds 2 through to 5 were obviously for Marquez. Going into the second half he was up 4-2. You could make a claim for it being 5-1 if you edge the first to Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
ElTerribleMorales obviously missed that. He gave round 4 to Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
the mere fact that Miron is trying to give the 2nd round a clear cut round for Marque to Manny just proves that all of you fanboys are just reaching for everyone to accept the bullshit that Manny got the nod, it's as simple as this, Manny never landed anything as cleanly or as sharply as Marquez did, and Marquez landed and he did so oftenQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerElTerribleMorales obviously missed that. He gave round 4 to Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
all these round to fighter A fighter B are meaningless unless you give the time and how they landed.
Stop cheer leading for your fighter. and open your eyes and see the rounds and mark the time and lets compare.
Round 1 is indeed clear for Pacquiao here's why
no one landed in a war of jabs but @ the 30 secs and 10 secs marks. Pacquiao landed two left straights
Round 2 is up for grab defending on what you are looking for ( We call this Variable round :) )
Round 3 is clear for Pacquiao and here's what i saw
Pac landed a right hook @2:41
JMM landed an uppercut and a right straight combination @ Pac's shoulders
Pac land a good straight left @ 2:13
JMM landed a stiff left jab @ 46 mark
Solid right hook to end the round @ 8 by Pac ( Best punch of the round )
JMM left to the body @04
Pac finishes with a flurry
*if i miss something tell the time we'll add it up and compare.
im at round 4 now
I don't think any Pac fanboy here is trying to convince anyone that Manny clearly won the fight. As you can see, noone is even gloating from that win. As I have said before, it is a very close fight that could have gone either way. It's the claim of robbery that miron_lang came up with what seems to be a compelling reason as to why it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthe mere fact that Miron is trying to give the 2nd round a clear cut round for Marque to Manny just proves that all of you fanboys are just reaching for everyone to accept the bullshit that Manny got the nod, it's as simple as this, Manny never landed anything as cleanly or as sharply as Marquez did, and Marquez landed and he did so oftenQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerElTerribleMorales obviously missed that. He gave round 4 to Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
In a very close fight, the bias will definitely show. And I agree that there is a bias in the way a judge scored it hugely in Pac's favor.
I already put in my main critiquesQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
You have round 2 as clear cut for Marquez ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
can u post the time at which he landed those shots pls.
lets not antagonize each other and contribute inputs in determining who won these rounds. Anything you say againts those who support Pacquiao applies to those who support JMM as well.
What are the time marks EL Terrible?
we can consolidate later.
i am at round 4 but i need to do something for a while. i'll post tomorrow.
Just watch the whole fight jesus, how can you enjoy a fight watching one round at a time. Trying to over analyze every situation, its not rocket science JMM landed the more eye catching cleaner blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
exactly, i saw the fight twice already once on tv live, the 2nd on a stream site, i already gave my reasoning why Marquez won the fucking round, i'm not gonna go around jotting down the exact time when each guy landed each individual fucking punch, I swear these guys are a desperate bunch hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBJust watch the whole fight jesus, how can you enjoy a fight watching one round at a time. Trying to over analyze every situation, its not rocket science JMM landed the more eye catching cleaner blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Yes, it is getting a bit pathetic now. Cheating by standing on feet? Slow motion time checks on individual punches? A cross check of 5 random posters who ALL have Marquez the winner?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesexactly, i saw the fight twice already once on tv live, the 2nd on a stream site, i already gave my reasoning why Marquez won the fucking round, i'm not gonna go around jotting down the exact time when each guy landed each individual fucking punch, I swear these guys are a desperate bunch hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBJust watch the whole fight jesus, how can you enjoy a fight watching one round at a time. Trying to over analyze every situation, its not rocket science JMM landed the more eye catching cleaner blows.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
What next? The old Manny didn't wash his underwear argument? :confused:
Based on your premise JMM won the 1st and 2nd fight .....Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Suggestion watch the fight twice: one without audio as the HBO telecast omits almost everything JMM does.then view it again with audio and see the non verbal communication in Roach and PAC. Listen to Pac's corner advice . Based on the announcers painting of the fight it appears as though it was another day in the park for PAC. If this fight was for the blind then it was not a robbery. Truth is it was an embarrassment. A JMM win would have been better for boxing. Now who wants a 4th fight with similar results or a PBF destruction of Pac ? No way Pac deserves to have the larger purse than PBF after this last fight. QUOTE=armyash;1026375]Great thread that has sparked a great debate!
Thing is some of the rounds that were given to Pac could have been given to JMM too and vice versa as has been pointed out BUT JMM won his rounds more convincingly and in my eyes more of them. Seen the fight twice and to be honest i could score some rounds differently each time i watch it but that means rounds i gave to pac i might give to JMM - He might even win it by a wider margin next time i win it.
But there's not a cat in hells chance that i can ever give it to Pac, not even a draw. The closest it could possibly get is JMM by a round.
Anyone scoring for Pac has to be judging it solely on Pac going forward but look how wary he was of letting his shots go because he knew he was getting countered all night long!!
Just because you fight on the back foot does not mean you are not landing the better more hurtful shots.
Whether it's outside the pub, in an actual bout or even just sparring you know when someone gets the better of you and that's the look Manny has had since that final bell went. Dejected. Possibly even since a few rounds from the end.
So even though i disagree with you that it was not a robbery 'cool' post for the hard work and sparking a good debate.[/QUOTE]