Jubilee

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Miles you are the worst kind of snob. You question the ability of anyone who does not share your views to be able to string a sentence together and use words like "Chav" to dismiss them. For someone who has supposedly come from a working class background you seem very eager to distance yourself from it. Working class people up and down the country are partying in the streets and hanging out miles of bunting and yet you and a minority of Republican fascists would deny them them this to make a stupid point. You are an elitist. Politicians do not represent the populace and are far more out of touch than the Royals. The occupy movement are another elitist institution with a poor grasp of how to effectively demonstrate and absolutely no backbone. If they had any they would have occupied the cities banks and financial district, instead of an easy target like a public church. They are so lame, the hundreds of CND women who chained themselves to military bases and Greenpeace activists who ram whaling ships ,the miners who fought running battles with police over their right to protest and strike, and the anti Nazi league who took it to the racists would shudder at the pathetic occupy lot.

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People who support the Royal family are snobs. They support a system of inherited privilege and luxury. They support a head of state that is unelected. Those are the views of elitists and are clearly not ideals that I adhere to. I support the complete opposite.

I am of working class origins and my politics has never ran from those origins. I believe in equality of opportunity and a Royal family goes against that. The Royal family should be private like every other family and be divorced from state involvement. For them to be held as different or special is something that runs against my principles of equality for all.

Politicians do not represent the populace right now. Mainstream politics is divorced from reality. People do not buy into the system. They know Thatcher sold them out, they know Labour let in the immigrants, they know Cameron refuses to reform the banking sector. Not since the war has there been a party putting forward true change in the interests of the populace. I see an angry country (from afar) and I see a lot of disenfranchised people angry at the system and apathy regarding the Jubilee. I would love to know how many on here celebrated. I bet few really give a damn.

Occupy is struggling because they cannot even exercise their right to protest without police victimization. Britain is not a democratic country. People really cannot even protest peacefully without the police intimidating and arresting wantonly. The backbone is there, but the system is rigged against them. They went to the Bank of England and look what the police did. Mind you, I agree that the occupy movement needs to get stronger and I advocate greater militarism. But if you do, the system eats you up. You become a terrorist. The media spins it against you to represent their wealthy backers.

People know it's a scam. We all do. I'm not an elitist when it comes to politics. I am a snob when it comes to things like music, but when it comes to labour rights and a fair system I am far from a snob.

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The country at the moment is anything but apathetic and is embracing the Jubilee in a spirit of celebration and camaraderie. The Union Jack has been reclaimed and I have never seen so many fluttering on flag poles or as much bunting proudly displayed in my lifetime, so your assertions are just whiffy farts disappearing on the breeze. I have marched with the anti nazi league in England and Italy, and taken part in peace camps and other demonstrations and have as yet to meet such a useless diss-organised, agendaless and privileged group of wasters as the occupy movement. They are spineless. If you cant even live up to your unimaginative moniker and actually occupy you don't deserve to have a voice. If you are unable to out think the media or the authorities when it comes to having a meaningful demonstration then why should people invest time in listening to your ideas on how to re balance society.

Miles, I like you in small doses, but really all you seem to do is moan that the world does not conform to your narrow perceptions. You moan about being old at 32 as though your life is over, and moan about people enjoying themselves and moan about a Queen who as a mother and grandmother and head of state is far more experienced and savvy than you are. Think of who she has met and how the world has changed in her lifetime, you can not live through that having met generations of Presidents, Prime ministers, scientists, philosophers, religious leaders, relief workers, surgeons, soldiers, sports men and women, etc and not grow as a person. You are suggesting we disregard that experience and have a bland republic with no colour or variety.

Equality does not exist, it is a pipe dream, like inexperienced children, those who advocate it really mean, if i cant have it nobody should. Women are not equal to men, they are worthy of equal respect but they are very different.The idea of Royalty is a symbolic one. it is why Johhny Rotten can dismiss them as largely irrelevant to everyday life. but still enjoy a picnic during the royal wedding. I don't want to live in a country where everyone is the same and thousands of years of history are thrown away overnight to appease a generation who seem to share a sense of spoilt entitlement. The same generation that have spawned an occupy movement can't even bear the thought of being arrested or portrayed badly by the media, so won't go after the needle in their fat asses.

Gaw'd save the Queen!













That is all :)

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Originally Posted by Master

The reason why do not invest in education like the high social mobility countries do is because Turkey do not vote for Christmas, it will stop their children from getting the jobs they have lined up for them.

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It's a little more complicated than that. The offspring of the people in charge aren't ever going to have a problem getting top jobs. You'll always be able to look after your kids if you have enough money and connections. The problem is the kind of funding necessary to provide quality tertiary education to intelligent members of the 99%, or should I say the 90%. If you're going to provide that level of funding then societal pressure to provide similar funding for healthcare, primary and secondary education, adult training etc. pushes you in the direction of a Scandanavian-style egalitarian society, with the wealthy paying a vastly increased share of the tax burden, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Miles you are the worst kind of snob. You question the ability of anyone who does not share your views to be able to string a sentence together and use words like "Chav" to dismiss them. For someone who has supposedly come from a working class background you seem very eager to distance yourself from it. Working class people up and down the country are partying in the streets and hanging out miles of bunting and yet you and a minority of Republican fascists would deny them them this to make a stupid point. You are an elitist. Politicians do not represent the populace and are far more out of touch than the Royals. The occupy movement are another elitist institution with a poor grasp of how to effectively demonstrate and absolutely no backbone. If they had any they would have occupied the cities banks and financial district, instead of an easy target like a public church. They are so lame, the hundreds of CND women who chained themselves to military bases and Greenpeace activists who ram whaling ships ,the miners who fought running battles with police over their right to protest and strike, and the anti Nazi league who took it to the racists would shudder at the pathetic occupy lot.

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People who support the Royal family are snobs. They support a system of inherited privilege and luxury. They support a head of state that is unelected. Those are the views of elitists and are clearly not ideals that I adhere to. I support the complete opposite.

I am of working class origins and my politics has never ran from those origins. I believe in equality of opportunity and a Royal family goes against that. The Royal family should be private like every other family and be divorced from state involvement. For them to be held as different or special is something that runs against my principles of equality for all.

Politicians do not represent the populace right now. Mainstream politics is divorced from reality. People do not buy into the system. They know Thatcher sold them out, they know Labour let in the immigrants, they know Cameron refuses to reform the banking sector. Not since the war has there been a party putting forward true change in the interests of the populace. I see an angry country (from afar) and I see a lot of disenfranchised people angry at the system and apathy regarding the Jubilee. I would love to know how many on here celebrated. I bet few really give a damn.

Occupy is struggling because they cannot even exercise their right to protest without police victimization. Britain is not a democratic country. People really cannot even protest peacefully without the police intimidating and arresting wantonly. The backbone is there, but the system is rigged against them. They went to the Bank of England and look what the police did. Mind you, I agree that the occupy movement needs to get stronger and I advocate greater militarism. But if you do, the system eats you up. You become a terrorist. The media spins it against you to represent their wealthy backers.

People know it's a scam. We all do. I'm not an elitist when it comes to politics. I am a snob when it comes to things like music, but when it comes to labour rights and a fair system I am far from a snob.

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The country at the moment is anything but apathetic and is embracing the Jubilee in a spirit of celebration and camaraderie. The Union Jack has been reclaimed and I have never seen so many fluttering on flag poles or as much bunting proudly displayed in my lifetime, so your assertions are just whiffy farts disappearing on the breeze. I have marched with the anti nazi league in England and Italy, and taken part in peace camps and other demonstrations and have as yet to meet such a useless diss-organised, agendaless and privileged group of wasters as the occupy movement. They are spineless. If you cant even live up to your unimaginative moniker and actually occupy you don't deserve to have a voice. If you are unable to out think the media or the authorities when it comes to having a meaningful demonstration then why should people invest time in listening to your ideas on how to re balance society.

Miles, I like you in small doses, but really all you seem to do is moan that the world does not conform to your narrow perceptions. You moan about being old at 32 as though your life is over, and moan about people enjoying themselves and moan about a Queen who as a mother and grandmother and head of state is far more experienced and savvy than you are. Think of who she has met and how the world has changed in her lifetime, you can not live through that having met generations of Presidents, Prime ministers, scientists, philosophers, religious leaders, relief workers, surgeons, soldiers, sports men and women, etc and not grow as a person. You are suggesting we disregard that experience and have a bland republic with no colour or variety.

Equality does not exist, it is a pipe dream, like inexperienced children, those who advocate it really mean, if i cant have it nobody should. Women are not equal to men, they are worthy of equal respect but they are very different.The idea of Royalty is a symbolic one. it is why Johhny Rotten can dismiss them as largely irrelevant to everyday life. but still enjoy a picnic during the royal wedding. I don't want to live in a country where everyone is the same and thousands of years of history are thrown away overnight to appease a generation who seem to share a sense of spoilt entitlement. The same generation that have spawned an occupy movement can't even bear the thought of being arrested or portrayed badly by the media, so won't go after the needle in their fat asses.

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I don't have time to respond in detail as I am a working man and need to earn my dollars, but I disagree strongly with your assertion in the second paragraph. The Queen will have learned very little by meeting an awful lot of these people. Politicians? Sportspeople? Other monarchs? Religious leaders? Even scientists as all the Queen would ever do is make them kneel and proffer a sentence or two before wandering off. I see no reason to respect her intellect as we have no evidence of it. Far more savvy than me? I've lived in the real world and struggled through it. The Queen has had it handed on a plate. A big difference.

Of course equality does not exist, but we aspire to a more equal society. With privatisation, a move to a financial sector and mass immigration social mobility does not exist anymore. It's an exception to be able to rise above ones station. It is something that has become worse over the past 30 years and youth unemployment is at shocking numbers. Let's not pretend that such a system is in anyway to be defended.

That's all as unlike some who can waltz around in fancy dresses I have to plan and work.

Miles you are 32 she is 86. You have a very inflated view of yourself if you think you can learn nothing from an 86 year old.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Miles you are 32 she is 86. You have a very inflated view of yourself if you think you can learn nothing from an 86 year old.

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Miles you are going older mellow a bit, or you will turn into a bitter and twisted old twat like myself;D
and in mature to boot or so some people think:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Miles you are 32 she is 86. You have a very inflated view of yourself if you think you can learn nothing from an 86 year old.

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OMG, now I've got a picture in my head that I wouldn't wanna see. :p

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Miles you are 32 she is 86. You have a very inflated view of yourself if you think you can learn nothing from an 86 year old.

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There are plenty of older people I like to learn from, but the Queen hasn't really ventured forth any real views beyond 'Ooh it's Christmas. I like turkey and I hope you do too. Don't forget to eat your veg and be nice to your neighbor'.

I see she didn't even bother to attend half of the concert paid for by the taxpayer in her honour. Mind you, seeing the dross on offer I don't really blame her.

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Miles you are 32 she is 86. You have a very inflated view of yourself if you think you can learn nothing from an 86 year old.

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Miles you are going older mellow a bit, or you will turn into a bitter and twisted old twat like myself;D
and in mature to boot or so some people think:rolleyes:

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I don't really want to mellow. It makes me feel alive to be kicking at some absurdity or other.

I loathe the Queen with a passion, but my words sound angrier than I really am. Distance reduces the impact somewhat. I've avoided most of the Jubilee.