What's next for Haye

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Originally Posted by X

I don't think we should get over excited about the magnitude of this fight.

Yes, they were well matched, and yes haye and Chosora used their usual bombast and unpleasantness to sell the fight to a public starved of seeing world class fighters ..... but what actually happened was that a B Grade fighter beat a C Grade fighter here.

Chisora was slow and ponderous, he does not have the skills to compete at high level, and Haye (while showing decent power) was technically poor and at least 2 sto9ne lighter than a world class heavyweight needs to be these days.

Haye will continue to demonstarte his lack of taste and respect for the sport by howling and insulting whichever Klitschko is in his sights at the moment. He shouldn't get into the ring with either of them as they would still both beat him, and Vitali might actually hurt him a lot too.

Chisora will 'sink back into Bolivian.' (to quote a genuine world class fighter from the past :-)

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Originally Posted by X

I don't think we should get over excited about the magnitude of this fight.

Yes, they were well matched, and yes haye and Chosora used their usual bombast and unpleasantness to sell the fight to a public starved of seeing world class fighters ..... but what actually happened was that a B Grade fighter beat a C Grade fighter here.

Chisora was slow and ponderous, he does not have the skills to compete at high level, and Haye (while showing decent power) was technically poor and at least 2 sto9ne lighter than a world class heavyweight needs to be these days.

Haye will continue to demonstarte his lack of taste and respect for the sport by howling and insulting whichever Klitschko is in his sights at the moment. He shouldn't get into the ring with either of them as they would still both beat him, and Vitali might actually hurt him a lot too.

Chisora will 'sink back into Bolivian.' (to quote a genuine world class fighter from the past :-)

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Haye shouldn't get in the ring with a Klitschko but Mormeck, Thompson, Chisora and Charr Should.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Originally Posted by X

I don't think we should get over excited about the magnitude of this fight.

Yes, they were well matched, and yes haye and Chosora used their usual bombast and unpleasantness to sell the fight to a public starved of seeing world class fighters ..... but what actually happened was that a B Grade fighter beat a C Grade fighter here.

Chisora was slow and ponderous, he does not have the skills to compete at high level, and Haye (while showing decent power) was technically poor and at least 2 sto9ne lighter than a world class heavyweight needs to be these days.

Haye will continue to demonstarte his lack of taste and respect for the sport by howling and insulting whichever Klitschko is in his sights at the moment. He shouldn't get into the ring with either of them as they would still both beat him, and Vitali might actually hurt him a lot too.

Chisora will 'sink back into Bolivian.' (to quote a genuine world class fighter from the past :-)

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Who is grade b? The former unified CW champion and former WBA HW champ?

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by X

I don't think we should get over excited about the magnitude of this fight.

Yes, they were well matched, and yes haye and Chosora used their usual bombast and unpleasantness to sell the fight to a public starved of seeing world class fighters ..... but what actually happened was that a B Grade fighter beat a C Grade fighter here.

Chisora was slow and ponderous, he does not have the skills to compete at high level, and Haye (while showing decent power) was technically poor and at least 2 sto9ne lighter than a world class heavyweight needs to be these days.

Haye will continue to demonstarte his lack of taste and respect for the sport by howling and insulting whichever Klitschko is in his sights at the moment. He shouldn't get into the ring with either of them as they would still both beat him, and Vitali might actually hurt him a lot too.

Chisora will 'sink back into Bolivian.' (to quote a genuine world class fighter from the past :-)

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Who is grade b? The former unified CW champion and former WBA HW champ?

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Dont even waste your fingers repyling this anti-boxing, joke of a post

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Chisora is very inconsistent in his fighting. When determined and focused he can put forth a great effort....when he's "a little mental" he can swing wildly and come to fight out of shape. Dereck Chisora is the new Danny Williams....except with less power.

Chisora was 241 for the fight with Vitali and he looked good even considering Vitali's injury in that fight. VS Haye Chisora was 247 vs Helenius he was 243....so maybe he wasn't in the greatest of shape for Haye.


Still, styles make fights and I think Vitali (providing he fights Haye...he may he may not) would still whip his ass pretty easily. Haye seems to shell up and run away when he senses danger....people talk about the Klitschko's not taking risks, well Haye is a master of that 12-14 punches a round vs Valuev.....Valuev, not a power puncher, just a big oaf. Plus Vitali is still a little ticked off at Haye because he had the chance to sign to fight Vitali 2 times and both times HAYE was the one that went after the ever so dangerous Valuev and Chisora :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Chisora is very inconsistent in his fighting. When determined and focused he can put forth a great effort....when he's "a little mental" he can swing wildly and come to fight out of shape. Dereck Chisora is the new Danny Williams....except with less power.

Chisora was 241 for the fight with Vitali and he looked good even considering Vitali's injury in that fight. VS Haye Chisora was 247 vs Helenius he was 243....so maybe he wasn't in the greatest of shape for Haye.


Still, styles make fights and I think Vitali (providing he fights Haye...he may he may not) would still whip his ass pretty easily. Haye seems to shell up and run away when he senses danger....people talk about the Klitschko's not taking risks, well Haye is a master of that 12-14 punches a round vs Valuev.....Valuev, not a power puncher, just a big oaf. Plus Vitali is still a little ticked off at Haye because he had the chance to sign to fight Vitali 2 times and both times HAYE was the one that went after the ever so dangerous Valuev and Chisora :rolleyes:

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I think we all know there are 3.5 million reasons he chose that fight over Vitali. Booth pretty much said that the cock sucking lying wanker that is Boente sent an insult of a fight contract. Haye knew he could do a far better job on Chisora than Vitali did, and to be fair I acknowledged he was injured when he did fight Chisora all the way through the build up to Haye - Chisora and people should stop reading into it too much because Haye was going to KO him. So Haye took the fight and did a number on someone that took Vitali all the way and caused him problems and had him backing up too BUT with a clear injury!

Would Vitali have taken Chisora out as well as Haye had he not been injured? I don't think so to be honest. To me it was a great piece of business to take the Chisora fight as it would get people talking about a Vitali fight without having to get mouthy about it again.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I think we all know there are 3.5 million reasons he chose that fight over Vitali. Booth pretty much said that the cock sucking lying wanker that is Boente sent an insult of a fight contract. Haye knew he could do a far better job on Chisora than Vitali did, and to be fair I acknowledged he was injured when he did fight Chisora all the way through the build up to Haye - Chisora and people should stop reading into it too much because Haye was going to KO him. So Haye took the fight and did a number on someone that took Vitali all the way and caused him problems and had him backing up too BUT with a clear injury!

Would Vitali have taken Chisora out as well as Haye had he not been injured? I don't think so to be honest. To me it was a great piece of business to take the Chisora fight as it would get people talking about a Vitali fight without having to get mouthy about it again.

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Given Haye's performance vs Wladimir and the way he acted prior to and after the fight Haye was lucky to even be considered as an opponent by Vitali.

This money issue is another thing that pisses me off about Haye. I'm fucking sick of that excuse, all of Haye's worries seem to be about money...not being a worthy challenger, not earning a title shot, not titles, just money. Wlad fights Mormeck to stay busy and people especially Haye fans call him out on it why? I'm certain Wlad made a nice bit of change on that fight....or is it only ok for Haye to fight for money? Or if you don't have a title and just love to talk shit then 0 is expected of you so you're free to fight just for money?

Haye's no more dangerous than he was 4 years ago he just seems dangerous when he fights opponents that allow him to land punches.

Oh not again.....the Haye promotion train is running full speed ahead (*shakes head*) since Chisora had never been stopped and went the full twelve rounds against the heavyweight champion!

On paper, it seems that the Ukrainian behemoth would face a daunting challenge from the brash Brit Haye. Yet, giant hurdles exist for Haye to overcome before rationally concluding that Vitali Klitschko should be quivering in his boots right now. First, Haye looked--and acted--absolutely pathetically in his fight against Wladimir Klitschko. What would be different this time against the 'harder' man?

Second, if one uses the logic being banded around following saturday night then mikkel kessler would decimate andre ward second time round following his brutal stoppage of allan green (ward went 12 with green). Triange theorists are rarely correct, and even a 41 yr old vitali has the beating of haye imo...this is vitali (ageing or not) we are talking about here! He's not valuev (who haye barely beat anyway) ruiz or chisora!! Holmes struggled with ken norton, i guess larry would have no chance against cooney who kayoed norton in 1 round then? Haye is explosive yes, but he's also vulnerable and body language alone tells me he is threatened by vitali.

What can also be plausibly argued that, while Vitali did not kayo Chisora, the beating Del Boy took from Dr. Ironfist softened up Chisora enough for the Hayemaker to deliver the knockout blow Chisora had not yet received. Also, Vitali is well known for sporting titanium whiskers--having never tasted the canvas in his professional boxing career. And can anyone imagine david haye with only one fully functioning arm in the ring lol?? Or a 41 yr old haye? That is the gulf in class right there!!!

Most importantly and what ppl are neglecting to mention is Vitali badly injured his left shoulder in the 5th round, saying “I have no strength in my left arm.” Vitali was able to beat Chisora with his right hand only, After the fight, Vitali went to the clinic Atos in Munich.

Chisora seemed proud of his performance after the fight despite having been defeated. Unfortunately, the injury by Vitali will keep Chisora from getting the full credit he would have received had Vitali not been injured. But never the less, the fact remains that Vitali pretty dominated the entire fight using just his right hand after the 4th round and Chisora had no answers. He didn’t throw enough punches and missed with many of shots he did throw. He just didn’t have the talent to win, and his comments after the fight suggesting that he lost because lacked experience doesn’t give the true picture. It wasn’t about a lack of experience; it was about a lack of talent.

Experience won’t bring Chisora the talent to beat Vitali. He could beat him if the fight takes place in two or three years when the 40-year-old Vitali ages to the point where he’s no longer the fighter he once was.

If Vitali decides to face Haye, and if Haye decides to actually trade punches toe-to-toe with Dr. Ironfist, the Hayemaker train is likely to be derailed.

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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

Oh not again.....the Haye promotion train is running full speed ahead (*shakes head*) since Chisora had never been stopped and went the full twelve rounds against the heavyweight champion!.

On paper, it seems that the Ukrainian behemoth would face a daunting challenge from the brash Brit Haye. Yet, giant hurdles exist for Haye to overcome before rationally concluding that Vitali Klitschko should be quivering in his boots right now. First, Haye looked--and acted--absolutely pathetically in his fight against Wladimir Klitschko. What would be different this time against the 'harder' man?

Second, if one uses the logic being banded around following saturday night then mikkel kessler would decimate andre ward second time round following his brutal stoppage of allan green (ward went 12 with green). Triange theorists are rarely correct, and even a 41 yr old vitali has the beating of haye imo...this is vitali (ageing or not) we are talking about here! He's not valuev (who haye barely beat anyway) ruiz or chisora!! Holmes struggled with ken norton, i guess larry would have no chance against cooney who kayoed him in 1 round then? Haye is explosive yes, but he's also vulnerable and body language alone tells me he is threatened by vitali.

What can also be plausibly argued that, while Vitali did not kayo Chisora, the beating Del Boy took from Dr. Ironfist softened up Chisora enough for the Hayemaker to deliver the knockout blow Chisora had not yet received.

Also, Vitali is well known for sporting titanium whiskers--having never tasted the canvas in his professional boxing career.

Most importantly and what ppl are neglecting to mention is Vitali badly injured his left shoulder in the 5th round, saying “I have no strength in my left arm.” Vitali was able to beat Chisora with his right hand only, After the fight, Vitali went to the clinic Atos in Munich.

Chisora seemed proud of his performance after the fight despite having been defeated. Unfortunately, the injury by Vitali will keep Chisora from getting the full credit he would have received had Vitali not been injured. But never the less, the fact remains that Vitali pretty dominated the entire fight using just his right hand after the 4th round and Chisora had no answers. He didn’t throw enough punches and missed with many of shots he did throw. He just didn’t have the talent to win, and his comments after the fight suggesting that he lost because lacked experience doesn’t give the true picture. It wasn’t about a lack of experience; it was about a lack of talent.

Experience won’t bring Chisora the talent to beat Vitali. He could beat him if the fight takes place in two or three years when the 40-year-old Vitali ages to the point where he’s no longer the fighter he once was.

If Vitali decides to face Haye, and if Haye decides to actually trade punches toe-to-toe with Dr. Ironfist, the Hayemaker train is likely to be derailed.

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didn't read lol :lickish:

But u quoted it! Idiot alert.

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Chisora is very inconsistent in his fighting. When determined and focused he can put forth a great effort....when he's "a little mental" he can swing wildly and come to fight out of shape. Dereck Chisora is the new Danny Williams....except with less power.

Chisora was 241 for the fight with Vitali and he looked good even considering Vitali's injury in that fight. VS Haye Chisora was 247 vs Helenius he was 243....so maybe he wasn't in the greatest of shape for Haye.


Still, styles make fights and I think Vitali (providing he fights Haye...he may he may not) would still whip his ass pretty easily. Haye seems to shell up and run away when he senses danger....people talk about the Klitschko's not taking risks, well Haye is a master of that 12-14 punches a round vs Valuev.....Valuev, not a power puncher, just a big oaf. Plus Vitali is still a little ticked off at Haye because he had the chance to sign to fight Vitali 2 times and both times HAYE was the one that went after the ever so dangerous Valuev and Chisora :rolleyes:

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haye battered him a lot better than vitali did tho

top fight want tit?

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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

But u quoted it! Idiot alert.

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didn't read it though! idiot alert.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

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Haye and Khan are not at all comparable. Haye lost to Thompson because he punched himself out and dropped a play it safe decision against Wladimir whilst taking a few big right hands. Khan lost because his chin is made of wet tissue paper and he has a ring IQ of zero.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

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Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.