Seriously Chag, Haye and Byrd? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
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Seriously Chag, Haye and Byrd? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
A hepatitis patient, a glass jawed cruiser who ran the whole fight, and a blown up middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSeriously Chag, Haye and Byrd? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
lol.
Chagaev was a very good boxer but he was sick ... Haye was just a hype job ... and Byrd was only fighting in the heavyweight division to make money. 2 of the 3 aren't even real heavyweights.
Whos is way above them master i say maybe Rudduck but Page and Tucker not so sure. I mean none of those guys were greats. Tyson outstanding wins is lhw Spinks and Holmes who was retired for 2 years.
I do agree on the double standard thing. Wladimir had some less than dazzeling wins as well. (Ibragimov for example) To be fair to both fighters, I maintain that prime for prime they both have qualities to give each other trouble. I think the winner of a fight between Wlad and Mike would depend on how unnerved Wlad does or does not become and how far into the later rounds the fight goes. Early rounds advantage goes to Mike. Later round advantage to Wladimir.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Tyson doesn't KO Mitch Green so he "fails" even though he won the fight EASILY.
Wlad didn't KO Haye but won via decision but is still a huge success and exposed Haye, despite failing to achieve his promised 50th KO.
Nope no double standard at all.
And Wlad's resume is GARBAGE. Tyson's amateur resume is better.
Tyson never fought Page professionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Wlad gasses and tires out worst than Tyson. Wlad has HORRIBLE stamina and nearly punched himself out again against Wach.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3I do agree on the double standard thing. Wladimir had some less than dazzeling wins as well. (Ibragimov for example) To be fair to both fighters, I maintain that prime for prime they both have qualities to give each other trouble. I think the winner of a fight between Wlad and Mike would depend on how unnerved Wlad does or does not become and how far into the later rounds the fight goes. Early rounds advantage goes to Mike. Later round advantage to Wladimir.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Tyson doesn't KO Mitch Green so he "fails" even though he won the fight EASILY.
Wlad didn't KO Haye but won via decision but is still a huge success and exposed Haye, despite failing to achieve his promised 50th KO.
Nope no double standard at all.
And Wlad's resume is GARBAGE. Tyson's amateur resume is better.
He has absolutely NO chance of beating Tyson.
He would be scared to death.
I don't know why you shit on Bryde he did pretty well in hw divsion and had some good wins and defended the belt as well. Not the same can be said about people Tyson faced.
Undefeated Tucker and Briggs, Spinks, Thomas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
My bad i meant to say Thomas don't know why i got that mixed up. As for the question i had earlier who was better then Holmes because i don't Rudduck or Tucker were better wins at all.
That's because the division was crap. Tysons opposition was just fine and better than Wlads, whose best win was against a sick man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Just take a look at Holmes resume post Tyson. He only lost 3 fights after that (all of them were close) despite his advanced age. Tyson is the only guy to ever KO Holmes btw.
Spinks did nothing at heavyweight but get a gift from the judges and Holmes did not fight for 2 years. Thomas, Tucker and Rudduck were no greats they were ok fighters about the same as now.
Agreed they were not great but they were better than Byrd. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Don't think that there that far ahead i mean who did they beat to be better the Bryde. I mean i think Tua on Bryde resume is better then anything those guys have dont you think.
Also it still does not change what i said before hand about Holmes being his best win. Because i pretty sure that Spinks, Thomas and Rudduck i am pretty sure are not better wins then Holmes was.
(QUOTE) Who did he beat that was comparable to prime lewis.
Larry (abiet an older larry) and many other tall hard hitting long armed fighters with solid chins or not. Lewis was KOed by Rahman his chin cant take Tysons punch. Tysons chin on the other hand is much more likely to hold up..
[QUOTE] Do u mean FLOORED? LOL. And Tyson has been brutally stopped by much lesser punchers than K2!.
Yes I mean floored everyone makes a spelling error once in a while its not cool to insult someone based on that. Vitali has a weak punch, buster dougless hits alot harder than vitali. .
(QUOTE) Whats your point? How did Tyson do against lewis' and Williams punches and how did VK do? Being wobbled is not comparable to being KTFO by Douglas or Holyfield or Williams! Lewis and Sanders are giant punchers and he took there best shots....his chin is iron!.
His chin is not iron he has a solid chin and good defense he almost crumbled against sanders, and sanders is no where near as powerful as Tyson. A past prime Tyson took loads of flush shots from Lennox and he never got KOed fully, again another reason why he would beat Lewsis in his prime. .
Tyson was never KOTFO by anyone, missed the count sure never KOTFO and he takes an INSANE number of power punches to be put down. Huge numbers go check how many times danny hit him full power in the head in a row. (Which he never would have done to a prime Tyson with some of the best head movement).
[QUOTE] Only someone with an exceptional chin or power could beat a prime Tyson[/SIZE] e.g. holyfield ali for chin and perhaps a slugger like foreman could beat him too, buster dougless was a fluke 9/10 times Tyson would beat buster dougless.
And Douglas LOL.
And u never saw VK kickboxing. Kickboxing utilises legs aswell as punches it is a different sport. U probably don't even know about kickboxing anyway. Stop with the Pele Reid crap, he was brutalised by O Norris and J Francis both of whom Vitali stopped easily in boxing..
Bottem line Vitalis chin cannot take Tysons power if he is getting wobbled by much lesser punchers. Dougless hits harder than Vitali, just because he is low ranking in History dosnt mean he isnt a dangerous puncher. .
QUOTE U criticise VK's chin yet make out Ali's was better! He was sparked out by 185lb CW Henry Cooper. Point me to were that happened with VK.
Ali also took many full power shots from Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Liston, Joe, etc, .
IN CONCLUSION VITALI DOSNT HAVE THE CHIN OR THE POWER OR THE STYLE OR THE SPEED TO HOLD UP AGAINST A PRIME TYSON.
I LIKE VITALI HE IS A GREAT CHAMPION, BUT ITS A WEAK ERA HE HAS DOMINATED AND TYSON IS A VERY BAD STYLISTICAL MATCH UP FOR HIM.
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Originally Posted by omgwtf
1. Vitali got knocked out by pele reid with a spinning kick. A punch from tyson, shavers, or foreman doesn't hold a candle to a solid, flush kick from a professional kickboxer. You generate a lot more power with a kick than a punch. No one is taking that flush spinning kick from pele reid and staying conscious - i don't care how good your chin is. And that's not even mentioning the fact that vitali was a kid back then, with a lanky "praying mantis" frame that wasn't yet built to take a huge forceful blow.
2. Tall fighters were tailor made for tyson's style? Yeah, maybe guys like dave jaco. The truth is, like i mentioned he struggled with a complete can in 6'4'' jameson, struggled offensively against 6'5'' mitch green as well as 6'4'' bonecrusher smith. Took 10 rounds to finish 6'5'' ribalta, went the distance with 6'5'' tony tucker and took 7 rounds to finish 6'5'' tyrell biggs.then of course he got destroyed by 6'4'' buster douglas and was given hell by 6'4'' razor ruddock.
That's prime mike. If you want to go post-jail mike, who were his losses? Holyfield of course beat his ass twice, then 6'5'' lewis, 6'4'' danny williams and 6'6''/6'7'' kevin mcbride.
I don't know where you're getting this "tall fighters were made for tyson" idea, because historically his worst performances were against tall guys.
fair enough point about kickboxing, a spinning heel kick is one of the surest kicks to ko if it lands
all those tall guys you mentioned tyson smashed lol