The only bad thing about impeaching Obama would be having Biden become President.
Printable View
The only bad thing about impeaching Obama would be having Biden become President.
Eight years of Bush, what is Biden for two? :-\
The US has invaded countries, spies on the world, tortures, kills, it isn't all that far away from the worst of the despotic states. The other despotic states certainly keep the laundry at home and seldom kidnap people in Libya, listen to Angela Merkel in private conversations, use drones, or have people locked up in Embassies via proxy states, etc etc.
When is enough enough? My allegations about America have only ever become more true with time. It is almost as though I am writing the history for them just to prove me right. It is too easy.
I am not looking for an argument as I am not into, I disagree with some of what you say but I won't say it is all wrong. As you know I am an American. I find one our bigger atrocities to be how our Supreme Court has been interpreting the Constitution. It opens the door to too much of this BS. I won't list cases as foreigners are probably not familiar with our internal affairs to such an extent. Unfortunately just about every President we have ever had lies and misleads. Both parties. If you can find me an honest politician in the world I will name my next cat after you. Every country has blood on its hands, and I am not using that as an excuse, just the truth. Certain parts of the American experiment has worked out well, a lot have not. I think one of our biggest problems is apathy. We just accept what they do. Look at the voting percentages, half the country doesn't even bother to vote. One of the best thing I can say about America is most of our politicians of great hair. Don't think for a minute that Americans our not aware of our problems. There are many here who make you look proamerican. Although you feel you wrote our history before it happens it has been done here by many authors long before you, and I don't say that as an insult
It'd be great if they actually released the files on world leaders. Berlusconi's phone taps would be amazing. You just know there's a giant file on Berlusconi's sex life on Glenn Greenwald's laptop.
Walrus, your country is spying on its own allies. It is spying on communications the world over. It is highlighting keywords of anything that anyone critical is saying. Your country is vanishing people, torturing people, making up lies to invade, droning. In many respects, I couldn't care less about America. Those people on high are scum. My only problem is that it is trying to play policeman and is the bankrobber in the room. 'Iran, we cannot let you have nukes, but yes, Israel will build more settlements, and we will nuke you if you don't agree'. The rhetoric is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
It is nothing against any American person, and I know that so many of you are adorable and beautiful people and I mean that. I upset people with my views though. I know that I am on the same side as most of you though. It's the same side really.
I see Menwith Hill is the UK base for spying upon the rest of Europe. It's a shame I was young and didn't know the reality of the place. I would have done more than have sex with the offspring of people who worked there. Unfortunately those people now have a greater grip on my country than I do.
I attack the UK too, but likewise, I have a love hate relationship. It's my home, but it's fallen apart. If conditions would be right, I would move there, but there is no sign on the horizon.
Every country is doing the spying thing. How many countries do you think refrain from spying on the US. China gets us good and many of our allies have their hand in the cookies jar. To be honest, I think whoever the NSA officer was that listened to Merkels conversation should get a promotion. That German pig is tough to listen to. Our allies are plotting against us. In this was before This whole NSA thing broke. We actually probably learned a lot from England, you guys like to know everything and you seem to always get the video, very impressive. My main question to you Gandalf, and I ask with all due respect, do you think anything you have written here is a major revelation to Americans? Do you think you brought anything up that made me say OMG. I think you are smart enough to know that isn't so but you present, at times as some major revelation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWalrus, your country is spying on its own allies. It is spying on communications the world over. It is highlighting keywords of anything that anyone critical is saying. Your country is vanishing people, torturing people, making up lies to invade, droning. In many respects, I couldn't care less about America. Those people on high are scum. My only problem is that it is trying to play policeman and is the bankrobber in the room. 'Iran, we cannot let you have nukes, but yes, Israel will build more settlements, and we will nuke you if you don't agree'. The rhetoric is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
It is nothing against any American person, and I know that so many of you are adorable and beautiful people and I mean that. I upset people with my views though. I know that I am on the same side as most of you though. It's the same side really.
Biden makes W look like EinsteinQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I told you Obama was a shit choice for President but no one listened.
Biden was a Senator in Deleware forever. Biden isn't even smart enough to be as stupid as W.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBiden makes W look like EinsteinQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I told you Obama was a shit choice for President but no one listened.
No, I don't present revelations. But to discover that EVERYTHING that you thought was private was a myth is a revelation. I am astounded that the secret services have potentially been listening to private conversations in the home due to the ability to turn on my phone microphone without me knowing. As an obscure, private person, that is a revelation to me. I knew it was bad, I knew social networking was little more than free spying, but I am appalled by how bad it really is. They have tracked your emails, your phone conversations, everything is on record. In fact today it was revealed that they know so much, but wanted to keep it hushed as they didn't want it public and the reason for that is because they knew they were acting in legally questionable ways. Well, now it is all out. We even have the evidence that they knew they were acting in the wrong, but wanted to get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusEvery country is doing the spying thing. How many countries do you think refrain from spying on the US. China gets us good and many of our allies have their hand in the cookies jar. To be honest, I think whoever the NSA officer was that listened to Merkels conversation should get a promotion. That German pig is tough to listen to. Our allies are plotting against us. In this was before This whole NSA thing broke. We actually probably learned a lot from England, you guys like to know everything and you seem to always get the video, very impressive. My main question to you Gandalf, and I ask with all due respect, do you think anything you have written here is a major revelation to Americans? Do you think you brought anything up that made me say OMG. I think you are smart enough to know that isn't so but you present, at times as some major revelation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfWalrus, your country is spying on its own allies. It is spying on communications the world over. It is highlighting keywords of anything that anyone critical is saying. Your country is vanishing people, torturing people, making up lies to invade, droning. In many respects, I couldn't care less about America. Those people on high are scum. My only problem is that it is trying to play policeman and is the bankrobber in the room. 'Iran, we cannot let you have nukes, but yes, Israel will build more settlements, and we will nuke you if you don't agree'. The rhetoric is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
It is nothing against any American person, and I know that so many of you are adorable and beautiful people and I mean that. I upset people with my views though. I know that I am on the same side as most of you though. It's the same side really.
Now what does any of that have to do with terrorism and national security? Spying on 35 world leaders, most of whom are allies? Snooping on emails of ordinary passport holders, who are no threat. Spying on Americans at the least should be something that you are against constitutionally, it is also against UN rules to invade privacy for no good reason. Being petty about Merkel is silly, but okay, let's stretch it and assume she is a public figure and all politicians should be targets, but what about everyone else? Should you really have to worry about them storing metadata? Potentially have them turn on the microphone when you are at home?
You shouldn't defend it as it is a slippery slope to saying that you don't have a right to privacy. Yes, you do! In America more people are killed with handguns by a multiple of 10 than those killed in 9/11. Since then the multiplication simply jumps to absurd levels. Terrorism is not a danger to ordinary Americans and this surveillance is just not justified.
You are a human and you should not reduce yourself just because psychopaths tell you it is for your own safety. They are not telling the truth. Their entire history shows that they have the jobs they do because they are good at telling lies.
Lyle is right about Obama. The man is a pathological liar. However, it clearly doesn't matter who is in the White House. More than ever the rogues have shown that it is all in their hands.
Forbes Magazine lists Putin as the most powerful man in the world. Obama is now #2. Lucky for him he is a lame duck as it would be a tough campaign.
like I said before, Obama sucks, Putin farts, Jesus rocks
You have such a way with words NVQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
I thought Jewish holy people were not particularly into the idea of Jesus as Son of God? That is surely a Christian deviation from Jewish orthodoxy.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
For me Obama represents just how far we have fallen when it comes to holding powerful people to account for their crimes. Nixon was impeached for far less than the accusations being levelled against Obama. Heck, they even tried to impeach Clinton over a bit of nookie. And yet Obama can just get away with serious crimes against humanity? The impeach word is barely on the radar. It is quite astonishing. Or perhaps it isn't at all when you accept just how far standards have fallen. Accountability is a word that does not compute and the word reflection does not exist.
We live in an age where powerful people do not get punished. You can commit war crimes, invade countries just like Adolf Hitler did, allow the entire financial system to collapse without any prosecutions, you can drone countries and walk in and kidnap people, you can spy on the private communications of anyone. Now why is Edward Snowden a man without a passport, and Obama a man who gets away with actual murder, torture, and mass surveillance on an unheard of scale, still there quite content in The White House?
The US media is generally speaking quite appalling and that is one the prime reasons. They won't hold people to account for their crimes and instead party with the whistleblower witchhunts. Julian Assange in an embassy, Snowden in Russia. What a joke. You have government figures and Obama himself telling lies on a daily basis. The America media simply won't pursue it. It is a free media in name only, the same in Britain too obviously with the authorities latest threats to ban Snowden stories and the actual destruction of Guardian computers.
Just ridiculous. Then you have have flustered Dave and his absolute refusal to answer any questions on this. It is constantly 'I won't discuss issues of national security'. Basically, what he is saying is that he knows he is wrong and thinks the government can have a monopoly on your private life and get away with it. The national security line is a false one, you are more like to be hit by a car, shot in the head, and fall off your bicycle on the same day than ever have your life taken by a terrorist.