Holyfield in hot water after making anti-gay comment on big brother

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Humans are animals, even a devout creationist wouldn't make qualms about that surely? We don't choose to be most things we are just like any other creature. Why would the earth want us to populate further if it were somehow a sentient thing? Don't have sex with men if you're worried about all the stds that are exclusive to gays, though I'm not aware of any myself.

I do agree gay men shouldn't raise children though:-X, but what do you think about lesbian couples who choose to? It's priceless that most of the religious twits practically disregard gay women as if that's another issue:rolleyes: God is fine with them I suppose?

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You might say that gay men shouldnt raise children but you are in the very small minority.

Its a shame because i agree with that and the same goes for two lesbians as well.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by imp

I dont think any person will say they chose to be gay.
They would probably say they always had feelings or urges to go that way.
Lets take someone like elton john who used to be married or whatever, perhaps he would say he suppressed those feelings during marriage or he might have felt completely straight.

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Have you ever knocked one out looking at a man? If not you're not gay. Simple.

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I havent yet fenster and dont intend to, but say ten years in the future someone does CHOOSE to...what does that make a person.?

There's over 200 million orphans in the world yet people think a same sex couple raising a child is wrong. Madness.

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by J_C

Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom too. That's about all you need to know on whether people choose to be gay or not. I doubt hedgehogs and dragonflies etc (yes there are gay hedgehogs and dragonflies) have well developed reasoning capabilities to decide their sexual orientation. Its clearly with you from birth in some shape or form.

And whats more, the world has a huge over population problem which is only going to worsen in the future. At least gay people aren't spawning 11 children like Holyfield has. The more gay the better is what the planet Earth would say if it had a voice.

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What on earth has the animal kingdom got to do with it?!

We are humans.

If the earth had a voice it wouldnt be saying more gays as the ability to populate the earth would stop.

And lets not get started on the many diseases that have or may not have been spread through certain acts.

Theres even two men that bring up children nowadays, surely the child will be influenced by that.

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You're assuming that Human population helps the planet? ???
If the Earth had a voice? It'd tell us to slow the fuck down with the breeding... :rolleyes:
Never heard of the Bubonic plague?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

There's over 200 million orphans in the world yet people think a same sex couple raising a child is wrong. Madness.

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Yea I hear that, it's a highly idealistic opinion I guess. I think children shouldn't grow up without a mother figure, and that men are inherently inferior parents, so I make that distinction as well however unpopular it is. Don't have any problem with two women adopting even if there were no true orphans in the world.

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Originally Posted by imp

But, its not natural for a man to sleep with another man no matter what anyones opinion be in evanders eyes.
Imagine your young son or daughter accidently seeing a couple of dudes snogging in the park or whatever i dont think its fair to lie to them and say that its natural.

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I agree it's not natural, but what is natural about heterosexual relationships? Is it natural to wear a condom? No, sex is supposed to be procreation. Having sex for any other reason than trying to make a child isn't natural. Is shooting a load on a chick's tits, in her mouth or bum, is that natural? Where do you see that in nature? Where do you see bondage, S&M, roleplaying, ect in nature? In nature, the male drops his load and takes off most often. Marriage itself is very unnatural, which I guess is why it mostly doesn't work out.

People say "it's not natural" about homosexuals like it's supposed to be something damning, that it justifies the hate against them. But what even about our everyday lives is natural? We're supposed to be hunter/gatherers. Being able to go to the fridge/grocery store/drive thru whenever we're hungry is unnatural (which is why there are so many fat motherfuckers). Sitting down all day is unnatural.

What about us even as a species is natural?

Being gay is not normal imo. If it was, then there would be no reproduction. Humans were made to procreate. If everyone was gay, humans wouldve died off a long time ago.

I have no issues with gay people, I just dont think it is normal. And no it cant be fixed.

Being gay doesn't prevent you from procreating. Over 150,000 people die everyday. There's around 7 billion people on Earth.

Have you noticed that this, essentially none boxing, thread is getting more posts than any other.
What I'm saying is that if you have a "reality show", and you want to ensure good ratings, throw in something controversial that everyone has a strong opinion about.
This time it did some good, I don't think anyone's mind has been changed, but maybe someone read a different point of view that, at least, made sense to them.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by imp

But, its not natural for a man to sleep with another man no matter what anyones opinion be in evanders eyes.
Imagine your young son or daughter accidently seeing a couple of dudes snogging in the park or whatever i dont think its fair to lie to them and say that its natural.

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I agree it's not natural, but what is natural about heterosexual relationships? Is it natural to wear a condom? No, sex is supposed to be procreation. Having sex for any other reason than trying to make a child isn't natural. Is shooting a load on a chick's tits, in her mouth or bum, is that natural? Where do you see that in nature? Where do you see bondage, S&M, roleplaying, ect in nature? In nature, the male drops his load and takes off most often. Marriage itself is very unnatural, which I guess is why it mostly doesn't work out.

People say "it's not natural" about homosexuals like it's supposed to be something damning, that it justifies the hate against them. But what even about our everyday lives is natural? We're supposed to be hunter/gatherers. Being able to go to the fridge/grocery store/drive thru whenever we're hungry is unnatural (which is why there are so many fat motherfuckers). Sitting down all day is unnatural.

What about us even as a species is natural?

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Wearing a condom is not natural but is essential if you dont want catch such fatal diseases like hiv.

Theres lots of ways to catch stds but using a condom is common sense.

How long is a piece of string? How deep do you want to go with this natural stuff beanflicker?

Lets stay on topic and not accuse those of being hateful just because they dont find putting their penise in another mans anus..natural.

You mentioned obesity which i agree with and its not natural for us a humans to be getting fatter and fatter but eating too many donuts is a bit different from eating other types of anatomy.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Being gay doesn't prevent you from procreating. Over 150,000 people die everyday. There's around 7 billion people on Earth.

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So its natural to use medical technology to produce children?

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Originally Posted by imp

How long is a piece of string? How deep do you want to go with this natural stuff beanflicker?

Lets stay on topic and not accuse those of being hateful just because they dont find putting their penise in another mans anus..natural.

You mentioned obesity which i agree with and its not natural for us a humans to be getting fatter and fatter but eating too many donuts is a bit different from eating other types of anatomy.

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I didn't accuse anyone of being hateful because they don't find homosexuality natural. The first thing I said in reply to your post was that I agree that homosexuality is not natural.

My point is that whether homosexuality is "natural" or not is irrelevant because there's basically nothing about our culture and the way we live anymore that's natural.

These are just pointless arguments. "Well homosexuality doesn't prolong the species". Well we have too many people on the planet as it is. We need less people making babies. And if that's the reason to hate gays, that they don't prolong the species, than why not hate people who jerk off, or people who are swore into celibacy, or people who just can't get laid?

The world is changing, attitudes are changing, and this nonsense that Holyfield and like-minded people are spouting is getting left in the dust.

It's not just about having an opinion. Holyfield and others who think that homosexuality is something that can (or should) be cured are just retarded, plain and simple.

We left "natural" thousands of years ago. I don't know why people bring up this "natural" nonsense.

"Natural" is a word used to sell products. It has no other relevance or practical applications in our current culture, unless you live in a tribe in the rain forrest somewhere.

Holyfield is one of my heroes & I felt let down by this..

I'd rather talk about his tremendous boxing achievements not his myopic view of the world.

You should probably study history before you make claims like that. Nobody gave shit about homosexuality in the old bath house days. Ceasars had statues built of their lovers. Greeks named cities after their lovers. The Japanese used to not differentiate between sexes at all. If a traveler stayed at your place you probably banged, they didn't care. You can see dude on dude in tantra, carved in hieroglyphs etcetera. Hate wasn't always taught about sexual preference.[/QUOTE]

So its okay then ronnie?[/QUOTE]

Of course it is. Around 10 percent of the population is gay or has tendencies. If you want to be religious about it either god intended for them to be gay or he's f'n incompetent.

Gay people should be afforded all rights straight people are allowed. We have a long history of bigotry and when we stop hating one group we move on to another(Irish, African, Chinese, etcetera) and time after time when we look back we realize we were wrong for hating. It's redundant and obvious. And you can't say I don't hate them but they don't deserve .... that's hate.

In many states you can still legally be fired for being gay, you can be evicted for being gay, you can be denied medical coverage for being gay. It's hate, it's ignorant and it's unacceptable.

Here's some facts about being gay. Gay people raise communities. It's studied and proven. Local businesses prosper, property values go up. Why you ask, because the average gay person is better educated and more successful than the average straight person.

As for the raising children, why the funk not. Are people worried that there will be more children more successful than them? Because, yes, you guessed it children raised by gay parents are on average more educated and more successful than children raised by straight parents. And it's not like they're going to turn those kids gay.

I can tell you for a fact that no person could have swayed my sexuality. I like women. I've felt it my whole life there was never a choice. If anyone thinks it's a choice the harbor homosexual tendencies. And that's fine too.

Fuck hate, and fuck anyone who doesn't speak out against hate