Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.
The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.
That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster." ;)
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.
The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.
That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster." ;)
yeah but hatton witter didnt not happen because they were waiting for the fight to become bigger
neither did quigg frampton, there were/are/have been better/preferable avenues for both, it seemed in the earlier days quigg wanted it but frampton didnt
fury/price should have happened as its looking like we will now never see it
degale/groves would have been daft to rematch immediately
but the only one we have come up with that avoided each other for the reason of being made into a monster is price/fury which doesnt count coz thats what the thread is about
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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El Kabong
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ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
You are stupid.
Try dismissing Adamek as an opponent when im pretty sure, you yourself have put him in the top five of the world recently;D
He beat Arreola who is challenging for the vacant title. Vitali used him as an opponent;D
:rolleyes:
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
Hey if you want your fighter to keep fighting the small heavyweights go right ahead...that's Fury's M.O. right? Fight the small guys, stay away from the true heavyweights
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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El Kabong
Hey if you want your fighter to keep fighting the small heavyweights go right ahead...that's Fury's M.O. right? Fight the small guys, stay away from the true heavyweights
Everyone is a small heavyweight compared to Fury. :)
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El Kabong
Hey if you want your fighter to keep fighting the small heavyweights go right ahead...that's Fury's M.O. right? Fight the small guys, stay away from the true heavyweights
Compared to Tyson they are all small!
Im only regarding size here but even Abell was labelled small and hes 6,5" for fuck sakes!
Its funny all the criticisms Fury gets. Hes the most talked about heavy in the world but Wlad doesnt call his name! Hes happy fighting retired cruiserweights like Mormeck;)
Im confident and content that when Fury gets his shot he will shut a lot of silly people up. Some have softened their view on him like Vendettos and Smashup. Eventually you will all grow to respect him if not be amused by him and anticipate his fights. In fact, right now, is there a more talked about fighter in here?
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.
The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.
That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster." ;)
yeah but hatton witter didnt not happen because they were waiting for the fight to become bigger
neither did quigg frampton, there were/are/have been better/preferable avenues for both, it seemed in the earlier days quigg wanted it but frampton didnt
fury/price should have happened as its looking like we will now never see it
degale/groves would have been daft to rematch immediately
but the only one we have come up with that avoided each other for the reason of being made into a monster is price/fury which doesnt count coz thats what the thread is about
OK, just remember next time you hear a promoter/manager/fighter say "wait until they're a bit bigger" or "wait until they have "world" titles," it's a virtual cert you'll never see the fight. And you'll soon realise that cunt Fenster was right. :)
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
Im replying to this again because of the stupid contradiction.
You rate Adamek in the top 5. Iv seen you post it before.
You would believe that Adamek v Stiverne, Arreola, Haye, Pulev, Wilder etc would at least be a pretty even match up but you think its ridiculous to suggest him as an opponent for Tyson Fury?
Does this mean you think Fury is head and shoulders above his contemporaries?
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Fenster
OK, just remember next time you hear a promoter/manager/fighter say "wait until they're a bit bigger" or "wait until they have "world" titles," it's a virtual cert you'll never see the fight. And you'll soon realise that cunt Fenster was right. :)
im gonna forget
to be honest, it would take some bottle to delay a fight that would bring in a bag of money purely on the basis that of they fought a bit later they would get more :)
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ross
Im replying to this again because of the stupid contradiction.
You rate Adamek in the top 5. Iv seen you post it before.
You would believe that Adamek v Stiverne, Arreola, Haye, Pulev, Wilder etc would at least be a pretty even match up but you think its ridiculous to suggest him as an opponent for Tyson Fury?
Does this mean you think Fury is head and shoulders above his contemporaries?
Adamek is a good boxer, I don't deny that, but Tyson Fury is 6'9. Wladimir Klitschko who holds the belts Tyson supposedly wants is 6'6. If Tyson wants to fight the likes of Steve Cunningham and Tomaz Adamek, fine but don't act like he's preparing himself for a title challenge because he isn't.
Stiverne is short, but his reach makes him a regular heavyweight, plus he's never fought at 175 or cruiserweight.
Arreola is 6'3, shown good pop at heavyweight despite fighting at lower weight classes as an amateur.
David Haye 6'3 carried power to heavyweight, won a title at heavyweight, what more do you want from him? He's only ever been beaten by 1 heavyweight and that's Wlad, no shame in that.
Pulev 6'4 is undefeated, not the biggest puncher but he's a good boxer and he's fought and beaten Tony Thompson which isn't an easy thing to do.
Deontay Wilder is 6'7 has won every single fight by KO before the 5th round, has a huge reach, and yeah he would be EXTREMELY dangerous for Tyson Fury to fight.
Adamek has decent wins as a heavyweight but he's only 6'0-6'1 at most. Sure "compared to Fury they're all small" but there are guys who are TRUE heavyweight boxers, Adamek is not one of those guys. I think Tyson Fury would be better served fighting a real heavyweight with some skill....but if you are ok with Fury not pushing himself to be the best then fine
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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ross
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
You are stupid.
Try dismissing Adamek as an opponent when im pretty sure, you yourself have put him in the top five of the world recently;D
He beat Arreola who is challenging for the vacant title. Vitali used him as an opponent;D
:rolleyes:
Yes but Adamek is clearly past it. Ever since Vitali battered him he hasnt been the same. Hes looked shit against Cunningham and Chambers since and wont be surprised to see Glazkov beat him.
Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
Hughie Fury will be the youngest HW champion in history , beating Mike Tyson's record , well that according to Peter Fury what do you guys think ? or is it only me who see him as a smooth boxing , light puncher , who may go to British level but no further ?
He had better hurry to beat the record , someone world class next perhaps?
