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That was interesting reading these posts, I did not know you lot could be so intelligent and deep. I am impressed. :)
I am a bit more practical and do not believe in the mumbo jumbo about eternal life. I do think that maybe they did use electricity in the way you suggested to move and shape huge objects. They may even had TV and mobile phones.
Yeah, this could be called the "deep waters" thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Damn, you went poltergeist on us...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times. There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster. Then there will also be an infinte number of those people, for example, who live the exact same lives as they do, but with only one small variation in the sequence, for example on January 28, 2009, Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 a.m. etc
I think theres twelve dimensions and a bit of contact between the ones each side with crossing over effects too,the last being only the creative force in its natural untouched state prior to it splitting then expanding into other dimensions. I think its up to you which way you head in your own spiritual evolution but I dont think you can jump from 1 to 4 or 3 to 5 the luggage you hold onto from this one stops you and protects the next one thats one removed from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times.
(things) would/could be based on our comprehension of what a/that thing is.
Agree or disagree?
In our state of being: the thought process perceives things by definiton as a noun-person, place or... thing.
So our limited senses in our world couldn't determine every thing- in terms of how they exist. IMO.
There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster.
Would Fenster or Andre exist with the same dimensions? Hearing, seeing, touching, feeling are senses. How energy transmits and infiltrates matter seems infinite--in the scheme of determining that which is infinite.
So if Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence (another) Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 --we'd (also) have to reflect on what time is...would we not?
Time for me is the acknowlegement of concisousness on a moving celestial body. When that body (planet) moves toward a ball of gas (star/sun) we acknowldege it as light calling it day. When it moves away, we call it darkness (night).
My point is, the size of that moving celestial body(planet) and the magnetism and gravity from that particular ball of fire-would then determine how fast/slow of the movement. So it would seem an infinite number of possibilites of determining the (time) that would occur, let alone if the dimensions would exist that allows two Andre's to be able to eat, taste, touch, or feel. Those are senses within our dimensions. What may take what we call 5 minutes to eat on our moving celestial body(earth) may take 222years on another moving celestial body.
So could there technically ever be two Andres or Greenbeans with the same senses?
Sinse the universe is so infinite- the chances of finding An Andre or Greenbeen could exist, but with the same dimensions would seem minute. Moving at the same rate, and having the same perception, also seems minute...like a snowflake. If no two are exactly alike on this tiny ass pebble of a planet, then what are the chances of an exact CARBON copy of you or me? Not saying I know, but swimming into deep waters with you bro..:cool:
You have made so many stimulating points that I cannot decide which one to respond to. To me (I will only address your last point here) infinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless. It never stops. And IMO as minutely probable as it would be (as you rightly indicated) to be able to come across a 99.99999765% exact replica of Hitler (only differing, say, in how many times Hitler blinked on April 29, 1945) I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable) then if so, we would simply have to be ( thru the probability of an infinitely occurring sequence) replicated or resurrected (without getting religious here) over and over again, in varying degrees of exactitude: @Andre. On one May 23rd, 1913 in Oslo, Andre says "how perfumey are the blossoms", while on another IDENTICAL MAY 23, 1913 Andre says "how perfume-like are the blossoms", etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times.
(things) would/could be based on our comprehension of what a/that thing is.
Agree or disagree?
In our state of being: the thought process perceives things by definiton as a noun-person, place or... thing.
So our limited senses in our world couldn't determine every thing- in terms of how they exist. IMO.
There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster.
Would Fenster or Andre exist with the same dimensions? Hearing, seeing, touching, feeling are senses. How energy transmits and infiltrates matter seems infinite--in the scheme of determining that which is infinite.
So if Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence (another) Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 --we'd (also) have to reflect on what time is...would we not?
Time for me is the acknowlegement of concisousness on a moving celestial body. When that body (planet) moves toward a ball of gas (star/sun) we acknowldege it as light calling it day. When it moves away, we call it darkness (night).
My point is, the size of that moving celestial body(planet) and the magnetism and gravity from that particular ball of fire-would then determine how fast/slow of the movement. So it would seem an infinite number of possibilites of determining the (time) that would occur, let alone if the dimensions would exist that allows two Andre's to be able to eat, taste, touch, or feel. Those are senses within our dimensions. What may take what we call 5 minutes to eat on our moving celestial body(earth) may take 222years on another moving celestial body.
So could there technically ever be two Andres or Greenbeans with the same senses?
Sinse the universe is so infinite- the chances of finding An Andre or Greenbeen could exist, but with the same dimensions would seem minute. Moving at the same rate, and having the same perception, also seems minute...like a snowflake. If no two are exactly alike on this tiny ass pebble of a planet, then what are the chances of an exact CARBON copy of you or me? Not saying I know, but swimming into deep waters with you bro..:cool:
Infinite is only the stupidity of pegans, at the end of the world,Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustYou have made so many stimulating points that I cannot decide which one to respond to. To me (I will only address your last point here) infinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless. It never stops. And IMO as minutely probable as it would be (as you rightly indicated) to be able to come across a 99.99999765% exact replica of Hitler (only differing, say, in how many times Hitler blinked on April 29, 1945) I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable) then if so, we would simply have to be ( thru the probability of an infinitely occurring sequence) replicated or resurrected (without getting religious here) over and over again, in varying degrees of exactitude: @Andre. On one May 23rd, 1913 in Oslo, Andre says "how perfumey are the blossoms", while on another IDENTICAL MAY 23, 1913 Andre says "how perfume-like are the blossoms", etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times.
(things) would/could be based on our comprehension of what a/that thing is.
Agree or disagree?
In our state of being: the thought process perceives things by definiton as a noun-person, place or... thing.
So our limited senses in our world couldn't determine every thing- in terms of how they exist. IMO.
There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster.
Would Fenster or Andre exist with the same dimensions? Hearing, seeing, touching, feeling are senses. How energy transmits and infiltrates matter seems infinite--in the scheme of determining that which is infinite.
So if Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence (another) Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 --we'd (also) have to reflect on what time is...would we not?
Time for me is the acknowlegement of concisousness on a moving celestial body. When that body (planet) moves toward a ball of gas (star/sun) we acknowldege it as light calling it day. When it moves away, we call it darkness (night).
My point is, the size of that moving celestial body(planet) and the magnetism and gravity from that particular ball of fire-would then determine how fast/slow of the movement. So it would seem an infinite number of possibilites of determining the (time) that would occur, let alone if the dimensions would exist that allows two Andre's to be able to eat, taste, touch, or feel. Those are senses within our dimensions. What may take what we call 5 minutes to eat on our moving celestial body(earth) may take 222years on another moving celestial body.
So could there technically ever be two Andres or Greenbeans with the same senses?
Sinse the universe is so infinite- the chances of finding An Andre or Greenbeen could exist, but with the same dimensions would seem minute. Moving at the same rate, and having the same perception, also seems minute...like a snowflake. If no two are exactly alike on this tiny ass pebble of a planet, then what are the chances of an exact CARBON copy of you or me? Not saying I know, but swimming into deep waters with you bro..:cool:
you are going right into the wide krishna's asshole
So you see Jesus' asshole as LESS wide?
All matters is the size of his heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
So you're saying Krishna's heart didn't matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAll matters is the size of his heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I used to think the same thing when practicing transcendental meditation as a teenager and I believe that you believe such a thing to be true, as obviously your friend did too. That is not the same as reality though. The persistent soul is a peculiarly western and Christian concept that has it's origins in Roman and Greek Gods. Immortality as a distinct soul only diminishes the experience of life now on this planet as a human. It would be ungrateful and childish of me as a child of the Grand Master to deny this and like NVSemin look for a reward outside of this amazing existence in which both Heaven and Hell are omnipresent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Curiously Hell is not mentioned in the Bible at all. It is a mistranslation of a Hebrew word for Grave,substituted by ignorant men who have relied on fear to control people.
Even if the world ends we can still live in space which is what Rosetta is a robotic space probe built and launched by the European Space Agency to perform a detailed study of comet. Rosetta was launched on 2 March 2004 on an Ariane 5 rocket and reached the comet on 6 August 2014,becoming the first spacecraft to orbit a comet. It may have started life on earth.
BBC News - Rosetta: concerns for comet lander after uneven landing
Yes I agree totally on that. This has nothing to do with soul or heaven and hell or its mislaid concept of dimensional entrapment through material lust or total unconditional love and freedom without those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI used to think the same thing when practicing transcendental meditation as a teenager and I believe that you believe such a thing to be true, as obviously your friend did too. That is not the same as reality though. The persistent soul is a peculiarly western and Christian concept that has it's origins in Roman and Greek Gods. Immortality as a distinct soul only diminishes the experience of life now on this planet as a human. It would be ungrateful and childish of me as a child of the Grand Master to deny this and like NVSemin look for a reward outside of this amazing existence in which both Heaven and Hell are omnipresent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Curiously Hell is not mentioned in the Bible at all. It is a mistranslation of a Hebrew word for Grave,substituted by ignorant men who have relied on fear to control people.
My soul did not undertake the journey as such,religion through people still only think in pairs,physical-soul. hevean -hell night ,day,black-white ,good -evil. There is no allowance for the next dimension which has none of this rubbish and wont have our baggage from here. Since that time of doing it natural as a kid, I realize its a light body not my soul and you can consciously activate it then use it like a craft to move.There are many layers to this one universe and many layers too us also. Cant think in terms of physical universe or physical body or mental experience as the same but is similar if you want that point of view to relate to.Back then my uncle never knew I was coming to see him he was working in his shed and looked up from working on a lathe and saw a monk in his back yard looking at him,it wasnt a monk Id donned new hooded jacket I just got and went I remember doing so.Heres the thing I went early hours in the morning I doubt he was working out there at that time on a noisy lathe I think he saw me later on in the day,I cant remember doing it at 2pm in the day but I was watching him working earlier from outside his shed. One could argue its a dream remembered. Theres more.
ALL DAY LONG! multi-verse. Could it be that when /if a supreme being gets to the edge of this universe..is there magnetistm that would reject our properties?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustinfinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
There is a great documentary called Journey to the edge of the Universe-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVIigCMhCZc
It kinda shocked me to hear them say- The Hubble made it to the edge--where stars cease to exist.- space? or dark matter & dark energy?
Yet they acknowldge that the Hubble couldn't possibly go through the many billions of galaxies-just past them-
The narrator asks; which direction do we go? There are seemingly (infinite possibilites!) 25 trillion miles from earth would take us 150 thousand years in a space shuttle-to get to the (NEXT) solar sytsem beside our own!
past the milky way- 6 billion year journey to the next one {160 thousand light years from the milky way)
supernovas-hyper novas- black holes-
MY POINT:Can conciousness exist? Spirit? Does matter have the same properties? Does a supreme being create these? Can a supreme being (withstand that which we can't get to yet---black holes sucking up even light-
For LIGHT to us is energy- a living man can shock another one- but if one is in the casket-dead, then when that soul leaves, so, too does their energy.
That which we on earth call (the sustainer) the Greeks call it Theos and we English speakers render it as (GOD):
At this point into travelling via Hubble: we have found no life- does that mean it doesnt exist except us? or existance that goes beyond the physical- matter encasing energy (spirit) released from matter, free from form- as we know it. Dark Matter, Dark energy. does a God create it- or is God the result of IT?
And if so, why would a Supreme God send one son to one (planet)earth to take an ass whooping for the (sins) of those beings, & call it end times. when the hebrew word for sin- are many- the most often used actually means (to miss the mark). Seemingly nothing to do with the Greeks rendition of Sin; that act of doing evil.
Surely this bares witness to the point of the Hebrew rendering the afterlife as (Sheol) a grave- for the physical.
Not until the Greeks(1,000bc) do we get Hades (a hell for the doomed) Other times it is called Hinnom or gehenna -places on earth. And at another point Hades is the trajectory of the sun-
Ignorant Greeks thinking the earth was the center of the universe (with their GOD BIble) because their eyes watched the sun rise in the east and set in the west...so how does the sun get to the east? By travelling under the world...underworld and thus begins the story of the underworld. (Hades) then at another point Hades becomes a dude. then he is the dude who oversee the underworld (that which the sun travels to get to the other side.) Not until they went to school in Egypt did they learn the sun was the center--wow jehovah or Yahweh didn't know that?
What GOD makes up a book like this? So flawed in science. And only mentioned sun, moon and Stars and nothing about planets.
I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable)
Kinda like when you have to magnets and one side attracts the other, but if you flip them around- then the two repel each other.
That was one way how I was taught of the possibilities of another universe. If we were to get to the edge of our own, our properties might repel, thus preventing us from getting there...in the form of not matter, but ENERGY.
Would that mean there is another GOd who rules in that universe?
Surely this isn't the meaning of the Bible's heavan for the Hebrews have no word to describe it, and the dude they rejected (Jesus aka Isa) said one thing about it his whole life; THE KINGDOM OF HEAVAN IS WITHIN..
FREE YOUR MIND...AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW -THE KINGDOM OF HEAVAN IS WITHIN.
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