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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
A lot of good arguments...maybe there was one, but i didn't see it..so I'll say this...Does anybody want to give credit to DonKing for making tyson the name that he is...He did put him the ring with a bunch of stiffs that he could knock out in the first round...It kinda reminds me of Mayweather said about Gatti... "HBO takes two C-rated fighters, put them in the ring, they have a war and now they're great fighters, bulls*** they're still c-rated fighters", the same with tyson...great punching power + a weak chin = a short night...
Personally i thought that tyson did loose to all the real heavyweights he fought and he only beat an old larry holmes...who probably would have beat tyson into submission with that excellent jab had he been a few years younger...
So I think he was great to watch, but with the help of great marketing..but as great heavyweight fighter hell no...not even in the top ten....
He also beat Michael Spinks and a few others. But, Tyson was also knocking out big bums before he got with Don King Productions.
That's why I said real heavyweights...spinks wasn't a real heavyweight...that's like giving credit to joe frazier for knocking out Bob foster.... Now tyson didn't beat some contenders...ruddock, tucker, berbick, but none of these guys where on a level high enough to warrant tyson any credit to be called great....
Spinks was big enough against Holmes and Cooney - both bigger guys than Tyson ;)
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
A lot of good arguments...maybe there was one, but i didn't see it..so I'll say this...Does anybody want to give credit to DonKing for making tyson the name that he is...He did put him the ring with a bunch of stiffs that he could knock out in the first round...It kinda reminds me of Mayweather said about Gatti... "HBO takes two C-rated fighters, put them in the ring, they have a war and now they're great fighters, bulls*** they're still c-rated fighters", the same with tyson...great punching power + a weak chin = a short night...
Personally i thought that tyson did loose to all the real heavyweights he fought and he only beat an old larry holmes...who probably would have beat tyson into submission with that excellent jab had he been a few years younger...
So I think he was great to watch, but with the help of great marketing..but as great heavyweight fighter hell no...not even in the top ten....
He also beat Michael Spinks and a few others. But, Tyson was also knocking out big bums before he got with Don King Productions.
That's why I said real heavyweights...spinks wasn't a real heavyweight...that's like giving credit to joe frazier for knocking out Bob foster.... Now tyson didn't beat some contenders...ruddock, tucker, berbick, but none of these guys where on a level high enough to warrant tyson any credit to be called great....
Spinks was big enough against Holmes and Cooney - both bigger guys than Tyson ;)
Both Holmes and Cooney were both past there best when Spinks fought them.
Also Spinks was probably past his best when he fought Tyson.Both his knees were shot to bits.Watch the fight and they are both wrapped up.
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by porkypara
Apart from winning the WBC HW title at a young age what ever did Tyson do?
In every hard fight he had he lost.
If someone stood up to him he crumbeled.
He was a classic school yard bully.loved to beat on smaller
blokes.
He never came back from defeat.
Quit when the going got tough.
TYSON IS THE MOST OVERRATED BOXER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
That post is hilarious....proof that care in teh community doesn't work!
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I don 't subscribe to all the crap about Tyson being overrrated, I just think everybody has short memories and remembers him for fights when he was already a shot fighter i.e after 89. It's like remembering Ali against Holmes or Berwick. I know Tyson was still at prime age, but he was ravaged by his own demons and almost certainly drugs! What he has become should not detract from what he was and had he retired after knocking out Spinks everybody on this site would have him as a top 5 all-time heavyweight.
People will now say... who did he beat? Well who did Demsey, Louis, Marciano or Jack Johnson beat. The heavyweight division has always been dominated by one or rwo fighters who were far superior to the rest!! Apart from the Early -Mid nineties and the early seventies, I think Tyson's era is as good as as bad as any other - so I don't subscribe to the "poor opposition" argument either
Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the guy, but even our resident expert Mr Britkid has previously said that during the late eighties he would've had Tyson up there as one of the all-time greats, but now he doesn't. You should rank people based on their prime or else Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Larry Holmes, Eric Morales (and just about every other fighter that didn't know when to pack it in) is overrated!!!
That speach was stunning. If I'm ever ontrial, I want u to be my defence lawyer!
Seriously, I agree with everything u said.
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
...he really left out Holyfield...that would have put more into that final statement
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
In all truthitude...I will always think that Tyson was decent but not a GOAT.
Tyson was more of a media made mythos than anything else...sure he looked great beating up bums & nobodies...but live wires really just humiliated Tyson & he fell apart.
That's not a great fighter. Fighters like that are a dime a dozen...but you couple that with the way that he & the media painted him...you got a heavy weight star.
Simple as that. Tyson's only worthy accomplishment IWO was winning the title @ such a young age.
That's it.
o come on man! what planet are you from?
"Tyson was more of a media made mythos than anything else...sure he looked great beating up bums & nobodies...but live wires really just humiliated Tyson & he fell apart."
razor was a bum. bone crusher was a bum. tyrel was a bum. etc , etc............ he beat everyone around, and yet he was a bum? that is retarded. watch that berbick fight. "yea, mike was all hype"......... ::)
best ever? maybe not. best of his time no doubt. i say desree "the ho" ruined it all. buster got him, but desiree (or whatever that sluts name was/is) ruined mike. i hated mike untill she came along( o , and don "the crook" king.)
"TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time"
is there a "dumbest post of the year award" on this site?
Yeah, I'll vote this thread for that award. Totally agree.
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by rob7022000
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I don 't subscribe to all the crap about Tyson being overrrated, I just think everybody has short memories and remembers him for fights when he was already a shot fighter i.e after 89. It's like remembering Ali against Holmes or Berwick. I know Tyson was still at prime age, but he was ravaged by his own demons and almost certainly drugs! What he has become should not detract from what he was and had he retired after knocking out Spinks everybody on this site would have him as a top 5 all-time heavyweight.
People will now say... who did he beat? Well who did Demsey, Louis, Marciano or Jack Johnson beat. The heavyweight division has always been dominated by one or rwo fighters who were far superior to the rest!! Apart from the Early -Mid nineties and the early seventies, I think Tyson's era is as good as as bad as any other - so I don't subscribe to the "poor opposition" argument either
Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the guy, but even our resident expert Mr Britkid has previously said that during the late eighties he would've had Tyson up there as one of the all-time greats, but now he doesn't. You should rank people based on their prime or else Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Larry Holmes, Eric Morales (and just about every other fighter that didn't know when to pack it in) is overrated!!!
That speach was stunning. If I'm ever ontrial, I want u to be my defence lawyer!
Seriously, I agree with everything u said.
Haha - thanks fella :coolclick:
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I don 't subscribe to all the crap about Tyson being overrrated, I just think everybody has short memories and remembers him for fights when he was already a shot fighter i.e after 89. It's like remembering Ali against Holmes or Berwick. I know Tyson was still at prime age, but he was ravaged by his own demons and almost certainly drugs! What he has become should not detract from what he was and had he retired after knocking out Spinks everybody on this site would have him as a top 5 all-time heavyweight.
People will now say... who did he beat? Well who did Demsey, Louis, Marciano or Jack Johnson beat. The heavyweight division has always been dominated by one or rwo fighters who were far superior to the rest!! Apart from the Early -Mid nineties and the early seventies, I think Tyson's era is as good as as bad as any other - so I don't subscribe to the "poor opposition" argument either
Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of the guy, but even our resident expert Mr Britkid has previously said that during the late eighties he would've had Tyson up there as one of the all-time greats, but now he doesn't. You should rank people based on their prime or else Muhammad Ali, Ray Robinson, Roy Jones, Larry Holmes, Eric Morales (and just about every other fighter that didn't know when to pack it in) is overrated!!!
lol, ive probably made a similar speech myself.
There are so many threads about Tyson being overrated, i cant be bothered to replie anymore.
CC BIGH ;)
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
I think he is overrated, but not of alltime he's as about as overrated as a more recent fighter i.e. his good buddy ZAD JUDAH or even i.e. Fernando vargas...
It's that those that think that it's as tyson once said "it's ludacris" to think that he's overrated can't give any credentials that make him great...so he knocked out a lot of bums...I mean the epitome of the word "bum", anytime you fight 27 times in two years you're fighting bums...
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000474
this is just to give good visual info on the bums...click on any one of his so called real opponents..other than the obvious ones that he lost to...holyfield, lewis, douglass...the old larry holmes & spinks....he didn't beat anybody...even berbick was on his way out....
This guy is isn't great because he knocked out bums in the first round... here's anther guy with more knockouts than tyson...is he an alltime great?
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000474
That's butterbean..in case you don't know...and they have a few common opponents...tyson has his place in history because he was the youngest heavyweight not because he was great....
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
Funny that nobody questioned his opponents at the time!! Can you tell me during the eighties who he didn't fight that he should have?? Just because he didn't fight in the greatest era doesn't mean his opponents were bums, they were the best fighters of that time. As I said in an earlier thread your rationality also applies to Louis, Dempsey & Marciano to name a few great heavyweights who were far superior to the rest of their era!!
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
IMO Lewis is overatted more than Mike is.
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
IMO Lewis is overatted more than Mike is.
To an extent, Lewis is just so conservative until I can't stand him.
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by porkypara
Apart from winning the WBC HW title at a young age what ever did Tyson do?
In every hard fight he had he lost.
If someone stood up to him he crumbeled.
He was a classic school yard bully.loved to beat on smaller
blokes.
He never came back from defeat.
Quit when the going got tough.
TYSON IS THE MOST OVERRATED BOXER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, but you haven't got a clue!
Tyson was an awesome fighter at his peak and he lit up a division in decline. Being Heavyweight Champion at such a young age is obviously a great achievement, but Tyson also made very good fighters look distinctly average when he was at his best. Simply put, Mike Tyson at his best is more than capable of beating any heavyweight throughout boxing history.
Everyone is aware that Tyson's desire diminished even before the Douglas fight, and i agree with many people when they say changing trainers etc didn't help Tyson, and he certainly had mental problems. However, he was still a very dangerous fighter, even at half the fighter he used to be when he got out of prison.
You say that every hard fight Tyson had he lost! That's a ridiculous comment in my opinion. He had hard fights against many good fighters and won i.e. Green, Tucker, Smith, Biggs, Ruddock... He also made hard fights on paper, look easy!
You say that if someone stood up to him he crumbled and you're baseing that theory on Tyson's latter years i take it i.e. the losses against Holyfield, and Lewis?
The reason i don't warrant a mention for either Williams or McBride is simply this; Tyson damaged his knee against Williams (maybe he'd have quit anyway, who knows???) and he'd lost interest completely by the time he fought McBride - two fighters who'd have hit the canvas from the breeze of one of Tyson's shots at his best. It's common knowledge that Tyson was fighting for the money more than ever at this stage in his career yet he still attracted the crowds and interest. Fascination that can only be equalled by Ali in my opinion. Fascination not attributed to an over rated fighter.
You go on to say that Tyson was a classic school yard bully, loved to beat on smaller blokes??? If you are referring to when he was actually in school (which wasn't very often by all accounts) i won't labour the point because by all accounts he was a bully. However, if you're referring to his boxing career i'd tend to disagree as many of the fighters he faced were much taller than him obviously. He didn't bully these fighters, he had that fear factor that had men beat before they got to the ring.
You say Tyson never came back from defeat... True he never avenged any losses, but he'd have beaten Douglas easily if there was to be an immediate re-match, Holyfield seemed the have a 'past his peak' Tyson's number, Lewis 'cemented his legacy' against a completely washed up Tyson who showed amazing courage, and again i won't dwell on Williams or McBride's achievements which of-course they can be proud of, but they must know themselves that they shouldn't put too much emphasis on beating Mike Tyson at that stage in his career, and that's not being unfair, that's just being honest.
OK, he quit when the going got tough, yes, against Williams, and McBride... like i've said he damaged his knee against Williams, and he did the right thing to quit against McBride because a fighter as limited as McBride should never have been seen beating on Mike Tyson, let alone putting him into retirment. It was a sad end to Tyson's career, but the most over rated boxer ever??? Absolutely not!
True there are fighters you'd certainly rate higher than Tyson but what Tyson achieved was still great and in my opinion he's one of the all time greats. Yes he regressed over the years and with obvious reason but tell me, how can you say he is the most over rated boxer ever??? it defies belief. If you have his career on DVD, try watching it and think again!
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Re: TYSON,the most over rated fighter of all time,what did he ever do?
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Originally Posted by porkypara
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Originally Posted by SEB
once again a thread to bash Tyson...
yes this guy was a fraud for you that's why he has a astonishing pedigree.
That's why people talks about evander as the man who beat Tyson (if Tyson is so bad why is it THE reference for Evander?)
That's why everybody knows the name of Tyson
That's why the boxers and people who knows boxing knew that Tyson was really really gifted and an awesome machine who went wrong at some points.
That's Why Ali (which is mentionned as the greatest by Porky) always praised Tyson's skills
My favortie quote is "Green showed the limit if Tyson" dam if getting the beating of your life during 10 rounds is equal to performing well ^^
Ok I guess that I'm too tired, but another subject on that topic...about someone who won the title at 20 and unified the tittle....
Not the greatest, not the underrated clubfighter you wanna try to demonstrate neither.
Mate Ali praises almost every boxer.
After he beat Joe Bugner Ali said that with a bit more training Bugner could be the next champ after Ali.
The point is take what Ali says with a bit of salt.
Dont get me wrong,I love watching Tyson fight and I think he is the most exciting fighter of all time,just he is totaly overrated in terms of skill.
P.S. You really are talking rubbish!!!
Over rated in terms of skill???
Tyson was an unbelievably skilled fighter in his peak!
