Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
Mr140
Ok so Cotto the man right why the fuck is he not facing GGG then there no reason why not he is the guy the fight no one else. Cotto fighting Geale is bullshit and holds the division up because he ducking the guy he should be fight and is also making sure he won't fight GGG after this fight either.
I agree I'd like to see the division unified but Golovkin could fight Andy Lee or the winner of the Lemieux-N'Dam fight to unify. It's not holding up the division to win a title and defend it against a 2 time former world champion. He's had 1 fight a Middleweight. Just 1 fight. Nothing wrong with taking a tune up. You could pretty much hate on anyone at boxing for doing this. Why isn't Deontay Wilder fight Wladimir Klitschko right after winning the title instead of Eric Molina? Why are Stevenson and Kovalev not fighting each other? Why is Danny Garcia holding onto his 140 titles and refusing to fight at 140? Why will no 122lber fight Rigondeaux? Why is Andre Ward still WBA Champion after not fighting for 2 years and is now fighting Paul Smith above the division limit? All Cotto is doing is testing the waters by fighting another guy and maximising his bank account. He beats him, it looks like Canelo is next. He beats him then it has to GGG according to the WBC. The only problem I see with what he's doing is the catchweight. The governing bodies need to set it straight that if you fight for a title then the division limit is the weight limit.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
Look the problem is that GGG should of got the shot for the gold instead of Cotto as far middle weights go he was knocking them out should of got his shot. I am just pissed that going to take yet another year for GGG to get the ring belt thats it so hoping Cotto loeses so GGG gets a shot he needs.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
I don't see why 2 divisions are in a holding pattern because 1 fighter decides he wants a retirement plan now that hes on the decline and wants to redesign the rules so hes able to do it. This primadonna crap has to end. Fighters picking creating their own weights to defend titles, choosing their opponents gloves, choosing drug testing agencies, who gets to announce a fight, and other fringe details to create advantages for themselves.
This is not the customary champion gets announced second or top billing or possible chooses the ring size. It makes a joke out of the sport when you have a guy whos got more in recognition in getting beat up than winning, talking this A side/ B-side nonsense while holding belts hostage and trying to dictate what a canelo or GGG should get when fighting him... Then again, this garbage started with Floyd a top fighter in the sport that dictates his opponents cut, fight date, location, announcement, drug agency, and every other detail (except gloves for manny) and then calls the other guy a sore loser. Khan, a guy who hasn't really been able to keep himself on the map but says Brooks not good enough to fight him yet. Garcia, another fighter trying to create his own weight division, so he can hold on to titles he wont defend rest on his laurels. Aside from cotto, what do all these fighters have in common. Al Haymon...
Whatever happened to the day when the guy at the top of the mountain took on all comers and conquered to prove he was the best. Mandatory challengers at least had the option of step aside money if a champ wanted to unify and then were still in line for a shot at the unified title later. -- now you even have someone like malignaggi on the outside, trying to make his reality more palatable by trying to goad someone into fighting him so he doesn't have to fight nobodies after his drubbing at the hands of porter. And still I can't really hold it against Malignaggi. He doesn't hold any belts, titles etc. So the boxing world goes on without him whether or not he gets what he wants.
All those so called businessmen are trying to make boxing their own private playground and just as outside the only way that they will go away is if the public stops buying what they're selling. Perhaps the boxing public needs to have its own belt for each division. That way the stock drops on whatever dirty alphabet org is taking money under the table or crooked promoter is using them to hype his fighters. Its pretty obvious there will be no central governing body now as all the crooks have too much to lose.
...just my opinion...
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
He's had 1 fight a Middleweight. Just 1 fight. Nothing wrong with taking a tune up. You could pretty much hate on anyone at boxing for doing this. Why isn't Deontay Wilder fight Wladimir Klitschko right after winning the title instead of Eric Molina? Why are Stevenson and Kovalev not fighting each other? Why is Danny Garcia holding onto his 140 titles and refusing to fight at 140? Why will no 122lber fight Rigondeaux? Why is Andre Ward still WBA Champion after not fighting for 2 years and is now fighting Paul Smith above the division limit? All Cotto is doing is testing the waters by fighting another guy and maximising his bank account. He beats him, it looks like Canelo is next. He beats him then it has to GGG according to the WBC.
The answer to all of this is the ol' double standard. Boxing fans are notorious for not holding all fighters to the same standards or not using the same measuring stick for all. Regardless of what shape Martinez was in when Cotto fought him, the fight went on as scheduled. And yes, it WAS Cotto's 1st fight at middleweight. Granted, I've always thought Cotto is too small for MW. I'm not a fan of catchweights, either. But if Cotto gets past Geale, and I'm hoping that he does, he's got a verbal commitment to face Canelo.... and then everything regarding GGG right now is pure speculation. It seems silly to cry "ducking" when you've just arrived at a new weight division, especially when typically you "test the waters", as you well put it, before taking on the best of the division. I'll add that although I'm not fond of catchweights..... it's not like Cotto invented the damn concept either.
But whatever. I'm gonna enjoy the fight tonight.... 'cause Cotto fights are always fun to watch.
:cool:
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
Well it looks like the doors are wide open for a Cotto-Canelo fight to be negotiated, now that both have dispatched their respective opponents. So at this early stage I want to say something unequivocally from the get-go........
What will ensue here will be negotiations. Who gets what.... where the fight will be held.... when the fight will be held..... blah, blah, blah. Canelo through his GDP puppet master will want to play hardball again..... wanting to coerce Cotto into accepting his conditions, stupidly claiming A-side status, or whatever the hell anybody wants to call it nowadays. Cotto, to his credit, is a pretty shrewd man himself, and does not need DLH pulling his strings in the background to know what he wants.
Like he very clearly stated in the pre-Geale fight interview that was shown with Jim Lampley..... he's gone through a 14-year pro career, and has gone through all the hard knocks, to have earned the standing he now has. He won't be strong-armed by young-un Canelo or his puppet master DLH into thinking he has to cave to their demands. So if Canelo "really" wants to fight Cotto...... he's gonna have to show it at the negotiating table. Otherwise, he's just blowing smoke, and Cotto will tell him to f*ck off again.
Just want to make that clear up front, for any ignorant minds that begin to foolishly throw the "D" word around.
Capiche?
;)
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
hopefully each side can agree to the terms. this fight needs to happen.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
J_Undisputed
I don't see why 2 divisions are in a holding pattern because 1 fighter decides he wants a retirement plan now that hes on the decline and wants to redesign the rules so hes able to do it. This primadonna crap has to end. Fighters picking creating their own weights to defend titles, choosing their opponents gloves, choosing drug testing agencies, who gets to announce a fight, and other fringe details to create advantages for themselves.
This is not the customary champion gets announced second or top billing or possible chooses the ring size. It makes a joke out of the sport when you have a guy whos got more in recognition in getting beat up than winning, talking this A side/ B-side nonsense while holding belts hostage and trying to dictate what a canelo or GGG should get when fighting him... Then again, this garbage started with Floyd a top fighter in the sport that dictates his opponents cut, fight date, location, announcement, drug agency, and every other detail (except gloves for manny) and then calls the other guy a sore loser. Khan, a guy who hasn't really been able to keep himself on the map but says Brooks not good enough to fight him yet. Garcia, another fighter trying to create his own weight division, so he can hold on to titles he wont defend rest on his laurels. Aside from cotto, what do all these fighters have in common. Al Haymon...
Whatever happened to the day when the guy at the top of the mountain took on all comers and conquered to prove he was the best. Mandatory challengers at least had the option of step aside money if a champ wanted to unify and then were still in line for a shot at the unified title later. -- now you even have someone like malignaggi on the outside, trying to make his reality more palatable by trying to goad someone into fighting him so he doesn't have to fight nobodies after his drubbing at the hands of porter. And still I can't really hold it against Malignaggi. He doesn't hold any belts, titles etc. So the boxing world goes on without him whether or not he gets what he wants.
All those so called businessmen are trying to make boxing their own private playground and just as outside the only way that they will go away is if the public stops buying what they're selling. Perhaps the boxing public needs to have its own belt for each division. That way the stock drops on whatever dirty alphabet org is taking money under the table or crooked promoter is using them to hype his fighters. Its pretty obvious there will be no central governing body now as all the crooks have too much to lose.
...just my opinion...
this is exactly why having multiple belts is a problem. there is no hiding if you are the champ. for example, sergio was regarded as THE MW champ. since cotto beat him, cotto would now be THE MW champ. ggg would definitely be the #1 contender for the belt so cotto would either have to fight him or drop the belt. with so many belts, people can make excuses for why they arent fighting a certain fighter.
and about catchweights, im alright with them as long as its not for a belt. if you are defending your title, then fight at that weight. its absolutely ridiculous to have a MW title fight at 157. it makes zero sense. i mean, i cant wrestle in the olympics and ask for a catchweight because im popular. if i want to win the medal at the weight class, i have to wrestle at that weight class. a professional belt should be no different. this is why the belts are pointless and i honestly dont care about them. half of the time im not even sure who has a belt in any weight class. i just know who the top fighters are and who i consider the top fighter at each weight.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Well it looks like the doors are wide open for a Cotto-Canelo fight to be negotiated, now that both have dispatched their respective opponents. So at this early stage I want to say something unequivocally from the get-go........
What will ensue here will be negotiations. Who gets what.... where the fight will be held.... when the fight will be held..... blah, blah, blah. Canelo through his GDP puppet master will want to play hardball again..... wanting to coerce Cotto into accepting his conditions, stupidly claiming A-side status, or whatever the hell anybody wants to call it nowadays. Cotto, to his credit, is a pretty shrewd man himself, and does not need DLH pulling his strings in the background to know what he wants.
Like he very clearly stated in the pre-Geale fight interview that was shown with Jim Lampley..... he's gone through a 14-year pro career, and has gone through all the hard knocks, to have earned the standing he now has. He won't be strong-armed by young-un Canelo or his puppet master DLH into thinking he has to cave to their demands. So if Canelo "really" wants to fight Cotto...... he's gonna have to show it at the negotiating table. Otherwise, he's just blowing smoke, and Cotto will tell him to f*ck off again.
Just want to make that clear up front, for any ignorant minds that begin to foolishly throw the "D" word around.
Capiche?
;)
If Canelo doesn't accept terms we know GGG will :p Cotto don't want that though ;)
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
La Cucaracha
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Well it looks like the doors are wide open for a Cotto-Canelo fight to be negotiated, now that both have dispatched their respective opponents. So at this early stage I want to say something unequivocally from the get-go........
What will ensue here will be negotiations. Who gets what.... where the fight will be held.... when the fight will be held..... blah, blah, blah. Canelo through his GDP puppet master will want to play hardball again..... wanting to coerce Cotto into accepting his conditions, stupidly claiming A-side status, or whatever the hell anybody wants to call it nowadays. Cotto, to his credit, is a pretty shrewd man himself, and does not need DLH pulling his strings in the background to know what he wants.
Like he very clearly stated in the pre-Geale fight interview that was shown with Jim Lampley..... he's gone through a 14-year pro career, and has gone through all the hard knocks, to have earned the standing he now has. He won't be strong-armed by young-un Canelo or his puppet master DLH into thinking he has to cave to their demands. So if Canelo "really" wants to fight Cotto...... he's gonna have to show it at the negotiating table. Otherwise, he's just blowing smoke, and Cotto will tell him to f*ck off again.
Just want to make that clear up front, for any ignorant minds that begin to foolishly throw the "D" word around.
Capiche?
;)
If Canelo doesn't accept terms we know GGG will :p Cotto don't want that though ;)
You're probably right. ;D
I think both Cotto AND Canelo would rather fight each other.
After that, it's all conjecture. But Cotto paused.... while Canelo said he'd "probably fight him later".
Hard to pick which sounds more reluctant.
;)
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
Now that both Alvarez and Cotto have won it's time to make the fight. And really it shouldn't be that hard to make. Cotto has been stating for the last couple of years that money is his main motivation. He's looking for the business deal that will get him the most money. Fine. No problem with that. Twice Cotto has been offered career high paydays to fight Alvarez. Chances are his next offer will be a career high payday as well. In other words it'll be the best business deal. No reason Cotto would turn it down. At least I hope he wouldn't
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
They will make the fight then the winner will get KOED by GGG.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Dark Lord Al
They will make the fight then the winner will get KOED by GGG.
To be fair that is no shame GGG is the new Hagler.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Master
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Dark Lord Al
They will make the fight then the winner will get KOED by GGG.
To be fair that is no shame GGG is the new Hagler.
No shame at all.
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
They will make the fight then the winner will get KOED by GGG.
To be fair that is no shame GGG is the new Hagler.
No shame at all.
What on earth is everyone talking about?!
I like cotto but he should not have to fight GGG.
Ffs why is GGG in the audience picking on all the small guys?!
Sign a contract with froch or ward and then we see how good you are!
Cotto should fight canelo but must stay away from ggg because of the unfair weight advantage.
ggg and hagler are no where near at this stage.
Cotto has stepped up his game by moving up in weight fof bigger challenges...why is ggg not doing the same?!
Re: Cotto vs. Canelo verbal deal reached (if Cotto beats Geale)
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
They will make the fight then the winner will get KOED by GGG.
To be fair that is no shame GGG is the new Hagler.
No shame at all.
What on earth is everyone talking about?!
I like cotto but he should not have to fight GGG.
Ffs why is GGG in the audience picking on all the small guys?!
Sign a contract with froch or ward and then we see how good you are!
Cotto should fight canelo but must stay away from ggg because of the unfair weight advantage.
ggg and hagler are no where near at this stage.
Cotto has stepped up his game by moving up in weight fof bigger challenges...why is ggg not doing the same?!
If I'm not mistaken , GGG and Cotto are MW belt holders. So why on earth cant the fight happen ?
GGG will stay at MW if he wants to or move up if he wants to , this isn't a GGG thread its about MW fighting each other , as long as Cotto holds a version of the title he can fight other MW' s . Or do you see a problem with that ?
