Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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C.J.Rock
Youre an idiot in my book lol Floyd- Margarito was the fight everyone wanted to see after Margarito destroyed Cotto. The PPV numbers would have dwarfed the Baldomir numbers. Fight woulf have grossed double what the Baldomir stinker did.
Floyd ducked Tony because he knew he couldn't beat him & would end up demolished like Cotto did. Go ahead buy this farce against Berto but remember one thing?? No one is laughing more or ridiculing you more than FLOYD himself
Dude I've had arguments/discussions/ect with plenty of people on this board and it's been largely civil and people have brought up good points, but talking to you about this subject is like talking to a child. You're making up things, coming to ridiculous conclusions and just coming off like a baby.
At the time (before the DLH fight), Floyd PPVs were doing just over 300k buys. Margarito wasn't even a main event fighter! He fought Kermit Cintron on the Mosley/Estrada undercard and after the Floyd fight fell through, he fought Clottey on a Miguel Cotto undercard.
So you're telling me this guy who couldn't even headline his own card was going to do huge numbers with Mayweather? You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Floyd/Baldomir did somewhere around 325k. You're telling me Margarito was going to bump that number up to 750 buys? You're retarded!
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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C.J.Rock
Firstly the guy whose name you use was PROVEN to have used doctored wraps in fights.
NOTHING was ever proven that Margarito EVER cheated. To accuse Tony of cheating is just you guys excuse for your idol ducking fighting him.
You all say it would have been so easy for Floyd against Tony so why didn't he fight him ?? Cause he knew Tony would kick his cowardly ass that's why
Youre quick to call Tony a cheater but what about Floyd's 3 supposed failed drug tests
which were apparently swept under the carpet by the NSAC ?? Then his supposed big $$$$ payment to USADA to keep his test records secret??? He doesn't look like a person trying to clean up the sport does he??
Margarito was a cheater and he was a shit fighter.
He was a huge 147lber and he had a good chin and a hard punch, but he was slow, uncoordinated and largely unskilled. Clottey was boxing the shit out of him until he injured his hands. Margarito had absolutely nothing for Floyd.
Show me someone who thinks Margarito would have beaten Floyd and I'll show you someone (as Uncle Roger would say) doesn't know shit about boxing.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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C.J.Rock
Firstly the guy whose name you use was PROVEN to have used doctored wraps in fights.
NOTHING was ever proven that Margarito EVER cheated. To accuse Tony of cheating is just you guys excuse for your idol ducking fighting him.
You all say it would have been so easy for Floyd against Tony so why didn't he fight him ?? Cause he knew Tony would kick his cowardly ass that's why
Youre quick to call Tony a cheater but what about Floyd's 3 supposed failed drug tests
which were apparently swept under the carpet by the NSAC ?? Then his supposed big $$$$ payment to USADA to keep his test records secret??? He doesn't look like a person trying to clean up the sport does he??
Margarito was a cheater and he was a shit fighter.
He was a huge 147lber and he had a good chin and a hard punch, but he was slow, uncoordinated and largely unskilled. Clottey was boxing the shit out of him until he injured his hands. Margarito had absolutely nothing for Floyd.
Show me someone who thinks Margarito would have beaten Floyd and I'll show you someone (as Uncle Roger would say) doesn't know shit about boxing.
If Floyd could have beaten Tony so easily then please explain why Floyd literally messed his pants when Tony confronted him I just asked " Why wont you fight me" ?? Floyd was terrified watch the video & see ROFL
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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TitoFan
Sorry... but I don't subscribe to this "Floyd ducked Margarito" crap.
First of all... Margarito was/is physically a much bigger man than Floyd. Since when is it called "ducking" for a much smaller fighter not facing a much bigger fighter?
Second... why on Earth should Floyd have graced Margacheato with the millions of dollars that would've come from a Floyd fight? Cheato should've just thanked his lucky stars he wasn't banned from boxing outright, after being unmasked as the scumbag cheater he is, never mind being rewarded with a huge, undeserved payday.
Thirdly... had Floyd fought Margarito, he would've pot-shotted him even worse than Pac did. Probably wouldn't have inflicted the damage that Pac did... but he also wouldn't have been touched by the glacier-slow Margarito. A dull fight that Floyd would've sleepwalked through.
Personally, I don't think Floyd's been a ducker... but if anyone's going to accuse him of ducking someone, pleeeeease use a different example than Margarito.
Firstly the guy whose name you use was PROVEN to have used doctored wraps in fights.
Bullshit. You're part of the 0.00001% who think that. The fact is that Hopkins' corner objected to the way his father was wrapping his hands, which the way they had always been wrapped, and turns out Richardson was just playing mind games with Trinidad, which obviously worked. That is totally different from "doctored" wraps.
NOTHING was ever proven that Margarito EVER cheated.
More bullshit. They found plaster in his wraps and it wasn't proven he cheated? Who are you trying to kid, besides yourself?
To accuse Tony of cheating is just you guys excuse for your idol ducking fighting him.
Floyd's not my idol, but it's still a ridiculous claim to say Floyd ducked Tony.
You all say it would have been so easy for Floyd against Tony so why didn't he fight him ??
I already answered that. Because Tony wasn't worth spit, and why should an ATG give a proven and convicted cheater a lifetime payday? I for one am glad Margacheato was left hanging on that one.
Cause he knew Tony would kick his cowardly ass that's why
Cheato wouldn't even be able to see his cowardly ass..... much less kick it.
Youre quick to call Tony a cheater but what about Floyd's 3 supposed failed drug tests
which were apparently swept under the carpet by the NSAC ?? Then his supposed big $$$$ payment to USADA to keep his test records secret??? He doesn't look like a person trying to clean up the sport does he??
You hate Floyd..... you idolize Margacheato. That last fact alone speaks volumes. ;)
See above.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
LMAO at trying to use Margacheato to bring down Floyd. If he isn't already, give it a couple of years. Cheato will be parking cars for Floyd, 'cause that's as close as he's ever going to get to boxing. Nobody wants him around, save for his blind (pun fully intended) fans.... nobody rates him. And the only Hall he's ever going to get into is the hallway at McDonald's where he'll be flipping burgers while looking out of his only good eye.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
Antonio The Tijuana Tornado Margarito OWNED!!!! Floyd Fluffy Mayweather jr
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
I've been following MMA and boxing for awhile now and I've had fighters over the years who I was a "hater" of in the sense that they kept winning and I was the guy who was like "no no he's not as good as you think, wait until he fights (fighter X or Y or Z) and he'll be exposed" and being upset that people thought so much of them.
MMA being such a new sport and evolving so quickly, those guys ended up losing within a few years or less.
I can't even imagine how much it sucks to be a Floyd Mayweather hater because all he does is win and prove people wrong. You guys should have picked another fighter to hate.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
Wow 5 pages on that question? I mean really the question itself to even be asked is puzzling. How can a witness not see it? This is not like getting a plaid shirt mixed up with a striped one during a robbery. "Is he an ATG"? Really? Are bears omnivores?
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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C.J.Rock
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TitoFan
Sorry... but I don't subscribe to this "Floyd ducked Margarito" crap.
First of all... Margarito was/is physically a much bigger man than Floyd. Since when is it called "ducking" for a much smaller fighter not facing a much bigger fighter?
Second... why on Earth should Floyd have graced Margacheato with the millions of dollars that would've come from a Floyd fight? Cheato should've just thanked his lucky stars he wasn't banned from boxing outright, after being unmasked as the scumbag cheater he is, never mind being rewarded with a huge, undeserved payday.
Thirdly... had Floyd fought Margarito, he would've pot-shotted him even worse than Pac did. Probably wouldn't have inflicted the damage that Pac did... but he also wouldn't have been touched by the glacier-slow Margarito. A dull fight that Floyd would've sleepwalked through.
Personally, I don't think Floyd's been a ducker... but if anyone's going to accuse him of ducking someone, pleeeeease use a different example than Margarito.
Firstly the guy whose name you use was PROVEN to have used doctored wraps in fights.
Bullshit. You're part of the 0.00001% who think that. The fact is that Hopkins' corner objected to the way his father was wrapping his hands, which the way they had always been wrapped, and turns out Richardson was just playing mind games with Trinidad, which obviously worked. That is totally different from "doctored" wraps.
NOTHING was ever proven that Margarito EVER cheated.
More bullshit. They found plaster in his wraps and it wasn't proven he cheated? Who are you trying to kid, besides yourself?
To accuse Tony of cheating is just you guys excuse for your idol ducking fighting him.
Floyd's not my idol, but it's still a ridiculous claim to say Floyd ducked Tony.
You all say it would have been so easy for Floyd against Tony so why didn't he fight him ??
I already answered that. Because Tony wasn't worth spit, and why should an ATG give a proven and convicted cheater a lifetime payday? I for one am glad Margacheato was left hanging on that one.
Cause he knew Tony would kick his cowardly ass that's why
Cheato wouldn't even be able to see his cowardly ass..... much less kick it.
Youre quick to call Tony a cheater but what about Floyd's 3 supposed failed drug tests
which were apparently swept under the carpet by the NSAC ?? Then his supposed big $$$$ payment to USADA to keep his test records secret??? He doesn't look like a person trying to clean up the sport does he??
You hate Floyd..... you idolize Margacheato. That last fact alone speaks volumes. ;)
See above.
Please show me proof of anyone EVER finding Plaster in Margarito's wraps??? Not accusations PROOF!!!
Its funny that its the same person, same POS, who complained about Tito's wraps that claimed PLASTER BLOCKS fell out of Margarito's wraps ROFLMAO
What ever happened to those Plaster Blocks??? No one else saw them because they never existed. All the lab found was a used gauze pad which was damp. hey deemed it HARMLESS!!!!!! The CSAC were made to look foolish for believing a blatant liar But Margarito still had to suffer
I notice you chose to ignore the claim Mayweather faled 3 tests huh ? WHY??
I don't hate Floyd I just do not think he is & never will be an ATG. A real ATG has to have ATG's cojones Mayeather doesn't have them
I do detest him because he is a cowardly woman beater No real MAN raises his hand to a woman
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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jon09
Yes absolutely he is.
I think so too, he'll simply never make the top 25 based on the fact that he did dodge most of his dangerous opponents while they were in their prime
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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C.J.Rock
I don't hate Floyd I just do not think he is & never will be an ATG. A real ATG has to have ATG's cojones Mayeather doesn't have them
I do detest him because he is a cowardly woman beater No real MAN raises his hand to a woman
Well let's compare Floyd to the consensus TBE, SRR.
I assume you mean Floyd doesn't have cojones because you feel he ducked fighters.
Well what about SRR not fighting Murderer's Row? What about the claims Jake Lamotta made in his classic book that there were a ton of amazing black fighters without mob connections who were relegated to fighting in small smokers, guys who Lamotta said none of the champs would fight and a lot of whom would have chased a lot of the champions out of the ring (Jake's words, not mine)?
If you're talking about Floyd fighting cautiously, SRR also did that in several fights and stunk out more than a few arenas himself.
If you're talking about domestic violence, skip to 32:00 in this doc and watch on. Here you have SRR's ex wife and children talking about what a piece of shit he was as a father, how he would beat the hell out of his wife and kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QVwmuHZY84
So why don't you explain to me why SRR is an ATG and not Floyd?
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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Beanflicker
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C.J.Rock
I don't hate Floyd I just do not think he is & never will be an ATG. A real ATG has to have ATG's cojones Mayeather doesn't have them
I do detest him because he is a cowardly woman beater No real MAN raises his hand to a woman
Well let's compare Floyd to the consensus TBE, SRR.
I assume you mean Floyd doesn't have cojones because you feel he ducked fighters.
Well what about SRR not fighting Murderer's Row? What about the claims Jake Lamotta made in his classic book that there were a ton of amazing black fighters without mob connections who were relegated to fighting in small smokers, guys who Lamotta said none of the champs would fight and a lot of whom would have chased a lot of the champions out of the ring (Jake's words, not mine)?
If you're talking about Floyd fighting cautiously, SRR also did that in several fights and stunk out more than a few arenas himself.
If you're talking about domestic violence, skip to 32:00 in this doc and watch on. Here you have SRR's ex wife and children talking about what a piece of shit he was as a father, how he would beat the hell out of his wife and kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QVwmuHZY84
So why don't you explain to me why SRR is an ATG and not Floyd?
We were discussing Mayweather. Why bring Robinson 's name in the discussion?? That wont alter the fact Mayweather is a cowardly POS both in & out of the ring. That's all you Floyd fanatics can do is say" Well someone else did it not only Floyd".
Robinson was a POS outside the ring but he was a FIGHTER in the ring. He was a welterweight champ moved up to middle & won titles too went through hell with La Motta FIVE times never ducked a champion. He even fought for the Lt Heavyweight title & was beating Joey Maxim till heat exhaustion nearly killed him. Mayweather "RETIRED" in tears saying he was never coming back. He did this because the scene was getting too hot for him to handle. Once things settled down he came slithering back like a snake LOL Did Robinson or any other FIGHTER ever act so cowardly??? NO
Mayweather had the boxing talent to be an ATG but lacked the heart & cojones Sorry
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather an ATG?
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C.J.Rock
Please show me proof of anyone EVER finding Plaster in Margarito's wraps??? Not accusations PROOF!!!
Its funny that its the same person, same POS, who complained about Tito's wraps that claimed PLASTER BLOCKS fell out of Margarito's wraps ROFLMAO
What ever happened to those Plaster Blocks??? No one else saw them because they never existed. All the lab found was a used gauze pad which was damp. hey deemed it HARMLESS!!!!!! The CSAC were made to look foolish for believing a blatant liar But Margarito still had to suffer
You're delusional man. If there was no evidence of Margarito's hardened hand wraps he would not have been banned for a year.
"On March 19, 2009, the Bureau of Forensic Services forwarded a report to the CSAC that read, “Calcium and sulpher, two elements found in plaster of Paris, were found on the submitted gauze pad using an X-ray fluorescence [XRF] spectrometer. The elements calcium, sulpher, and oxygen are found in plaster of Paris."
SecondsOut Boxing News - Thomas Hauser - Antonio Margarito and the Handwrap Issue
As for Floyd he's been too dominant in the past decade to not be considered an all time great. He can't be the best ever as he proclaims though, because there are too many what-if's surrounding his name (what would've happened had he fought pacquiao 5 years sooner, etc).
