Re: Joshua v Parker - deal very close
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Primo Carnera
The way I see it, the Ring want their "Belt" to be for the stand out best guy in the division.
I think (traditionally) the Ring belt has been lineal. So, for example, when Mike Tyson had every other belt going, Micheal Spinks had the Ring 'belt' because he had beaten Holmes, who had beaten Ali, who had beaten Etc etc.
They have accepted lower ranked people before .... I think they set up the Marvin Hart v Jack Root fight for the World Heavyweight Title when James J Jeffries retired
The only fight I can think of that wasn't 1 vs 2, since they re-introduced their championship policy was Wlad/ Chagaev.
Re: Joshua v Parker - deal very close
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How would you feel if they classed no.1 as Wilder and no. 3 as Ortiz and decided that would be for the Ring belt? It's not inconceivable and would be as equally unfair.
They're rated 2 and 5 so wouldn't make sense.
The 1 vs 3 can be for the Ring belt but in this scenario, where Wilder is clearly regarded as no.2, in his pomp, active and the most glamorous opponent for Joshua, it would have cheapened their status to award the title for the sake of it.
Yeah, but what I was saying to Master, was how would he feel IF they rated Wilder above Joshua and Ortiz above Parker. Would he still be clamouring for it to be for the Ring belt, or would he be moaning that AJ wasn't involved. Just proving that it works both ways and trying to be consistent.
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The Ring belt and lineal are different, you can trace lots of differences going way back, however, they really went astray after stopping their ratings system in the late 80s. When they restarted they ignored their own history which threw up nonsense like Roy Jones being "THE man" at lightheavy even though the true linage could be traced to Michalczewski (so Roy was Ring champion but not lineal).
Fans constantly confuse the two as they often are in alignment when new linages are created as the top two in a division are almost always the standout best.
As for no.1-vs-no.3 - the Wlad-Chagaev situation happened because of Vitali being rated no.2. However, Bute was Ring no.1/2 (?) when Ward-Froch fought for the title. Pretty sure there are several cases in recent years (can't think off the top of my head though).
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In pretty sure Ward and Froch were 1 and 2 when they fought. Could be wrong.
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You could be right too. I remember Bute had loads of fans that would argue his record was better than Froch's around that time, and he definitely was Ring no.1 at one point in front of both Ward and Froch.
Re: Joshua v Parker - 31/3/18
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You could be right too. I remember Bute had loads of fans that would argue his record was better than Froch's around that time, and he definitely was Ring no.1 at one point in front of both Ward and Froch.
I remember Bute being #1 as well, I think after Ward beat Kessler he took over at #1.
It's quite a tricky area, who determineds who are the #1 and #2? Most rankings differ greatly on the top 5 placings.
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I said some time ago that I take Ortiz to beat Wilder and Parker to beat Joshua. Ultimately Parker beats Ortiz. What is great about this is the reverse could happen in every fight. Frankly, I don't mind, I am just looking towards great action from 4 genuine contenders. Good luck to them all
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Master is going to say his normal rebuttal here but I am predicting that Parker will destroy Joshua. I have the sense that Joshua's Shining Moment was his defeat of the old lion which he barely got past as he almost got bashed into a cemetery in that six around. Joshua has already past his prime. Some Fighters get old fast. I do not think we will ever see the same Anthony Joshua Wladimir Klitschko. master I call an upset in the making here
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Master is going to say his normal rebuttal here but I am predicting that Parker will destroy Joshua. I have the sense that Joshua's Shining Moment was his defeat of the old lion which he barely got past as he almost got bashed into a cemetery in that six around. Joshua has already past his prime. Some Fighters get old fast. I do not think we will ever see the same Anthony Joshua Wladimir Klitschko. master I call an upset in the making here
Who have you ever seen Parker fight to base this on ? just curious.
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I said some time ago that I take Ortiz to beat Wilder and Parker to beat Joshua. Ultimately Parker beats Ortiz. What is great about this is the reverse could happen in every fight. Frankly, I don't mind, I am just looking towards great action from 4 genuine contenders. Good luck to them all
You are wrong, watch AJ beat Parker and Wilder beat Ortiz. Followed by AJ knocking out Wilder to unify the titles.
Re: Joshua v Parker - 31/3/18
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Master is going to say his normal rebuttal here but I am predicting that Parker will destroy Joshua. I have the sense that Joshua's Shining Moment was his defeat of the old lion which he barely got past as he almost got bashed into a cemetery in that six around. Joshua has already past his prime. Some Fighters get old fast. I do not think we will ever see the same Anthony Joshua Wladimir Klitschko. master I call an upset in the making here
Who have you ever seen Parker fight to base this on ? just curious.
Do not worry about his answer, now that he has said Parker win's, AJ is jumping for you knowing he has won the fight. :)
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Primo Carnera
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Master is going to say his normal rebuttal here but I am predicting that Parker will destroy Joshua. I have the sense that Joshua's Shining Moment was his defeat of the old lion which he barely got past as he almost got bashed into a cemetery in that six around. Joshua has already past his prime. Some Fighters get old fast. I do not think we will ever see the same Anthony Joshua Wladimir Klitschko. master I call an upset in the making here
Who have you ever seen Parker fight to base this on ? just curious.
Do not worry about his answer, now that he has said Parker win's, AJ is jumping for you knowing he has won the fight. :)
I was just curious. I thought Brock had one of his premonitions , a bit like the one where "GGG would get brutally KO'd by Canelo with a vicious uppercut reverberating through his body with such power that it would crack his 3rd or 4th Verterbrae!" :biglaugh::lolhaha:
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Give him his due, he doesnt fuck about with his predictions.
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This is an exciting fight i really wanna see.
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This is an exciting fight i really wanna see.
It could be. I really wish Parker had gotten a new trainer a few fights back and changed promoters. I think he has gone backwards in his development. He takes a big game, but as soon as someone hits him or comes forward Parker goes straight back, into the ropes or corners. Hands down, chin up. I really hope he has been surfing on this issue or AJ will destroy him.
