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This is different, too public for the fighter to stop, rest, and quit if it got out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Or gym wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You've never heard of sparring? Some fighters don't even wear head guards.
Seen any of that Mayweather gym sparring? Wasn't he getting sued for some of that from Rahman's kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is different, too public for the fighter to stop, rest, and quit if it got out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr gym wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You've never heard of sparring? Some fighters don't even wear head guards.
Have you watched the footage? You could make an argument Servania came out on top, again it is only an exhibition but they were going at it.
I saw something of 24/7 when a fighter beats up a younger fighter and his older brother fights him for family pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSeen any of that Mayweather gym sparring? Wasn't he getting sued for some of that from Rahman's kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThis is different, too public for the fighter to stop, rest, and quit if it got out of hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaOr gym wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You've never heard of sparring? Some fighters don't even wear head guards.
Have you watched the footage? You could make an argument Servania came out on top, again it is only an exhibition but they were going at it.
It's as common as sin for sparring to get naughty, always has, always will and many of the best tales in boxing come from sparring sessions. I've never read a boxing book without a tale of a spiteful spar.
Like when Lennox got knocked the fuck out by Jeremy Williams, a rumour which lasted for donkey years until footage was finally revealed, thanks to this modern internet age, showing Williams taking Lewis down MMA style which prompted Manny Steward and crew to save him from Lewis going berserk.
Guys fighting once or twice a year though is in most circumstances inexcusable. Yes the game changes as does the world, things move on but 3, 4,5,6 fights even a year was common place for so long that it is inconceivable that unless injured any fighter can defend fighting only once a year. I don't mind exhibitions it is part of the core and history of boxing but a decent spar is more useful for fighters. I have seen spars that were far more entertaining and useful for the fighters involved than the fight they were preparing for. It's an inexact science but in a short career fighting more regularly makes a lot of sense. Getting out of condition and being inactive can often lead to more injuries than those sustained in fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIt used to be quite common, I remember Porter doing one after one of his fights was cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
For guys fighting once or twice a year this would be good for them.
Thanks for the link. Always a pleasure to watch Inoue.
And many a career has been cut short by sparring.
You said yourself “in a short career”, that’s exactly the point of fighting less. To prolong the career. Nobody can really say what is better for their health. Sure you stay in better shape if you fight more often. But you also don’t have as much time for your brain to heal. It’s a very complex topic.
I don’t mean to sound argumentative if I do. Just talking.
You are right it is a tricky balancing act and no two fighters are alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The thing I like is that Inoue had already entered the tournament and has his fight with Payano set for October, he'll be sparring for sure, but still put on this exhibition for the public.
From the 60s you'll find heavyweight champions had generally the same amount of fights as those today.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzGuys fighting once or twice a year though is in most circumstances inexcusable. Yes the game changes as does the world, things move on but 3, 4,5,6 fights even a year was common place for so long that it is inconceivable that unless injured any fighter can defend fighting only once a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIt used to be quite common, I remember Porter doing one after one of his fights was cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
For guys fighting once or twice a year this would be good for them.
I'd like to see stats for lighter divisions, i'm sure they fought more as they earned peannuts compared with todays stars.
Ken Shiro ds Milan Melinda has been added to the Inoue/ Payano undercard.
There is also talk that Relikh/ Troyanovsky will also be on the card.
“We will be doing doubleheaders this time on the quarter-finals,” said Comosa’s Chief Boxing Officer, Kalle Sauerland.
“You will be seeing action from not always the same weight class on the same night, but you will always get doubleheaders. So twelve fights, six weeks, all over the world; Asia, US, UK, Europe.
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Originally Posted by FensterFrom the 60s you'll find heavyweight champions had generally the same amount of fights as those today.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzGuys fighting once or twice a year though is in most circumstances inexcusable. Yes the game changes as does the world, things move on but 3, 4,5,6 fights even a year was common place for so long that it is inconceivable that unless injured any fighter can defend fighting only once a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaIt used to be quite common, I remember Porter doing one after one of his fights was cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
For guys fighting once or twice a year this would be good for them.
I'd like to see stats for lighter divisions, i'm sure they fought more as they earned peannuts compared with todays stars.
It would be interesting to find out. I agree that Heavyweights have always followed a similar pattern lots of fights at the start of their careers then 3 or 4 a year leading up to a belt challenge then twice a year once they have a world belt. At lower weights even when holding an international belt 3 times a year seems to be a pattern until about 2000ish when it dropped to about two a year as well.
That is a very cursory guestimation.
I like that much better. No reason to separate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
That first Japanese card is fire:Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherI like that much better. No reason to separate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
Kiryl Relikh vs Eduard Troyanovsky, WBA World Super Lightweight Title
Ken Shiro (who I feel is the lineal champ) vs Milan Melindo, WBC Light Flyweight Title
Naoya Inoue vs Juan Carlos Payano, WBA World Bantamweight Title