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hence the 12 rounds instead of 15
When ref stopped Chavez vs Randall fight and somehow Chavez got the decision :-\
This was strange. Not sure why Mills deducted 1 point from Randall for an un-intentional headbut, especially since Chavez was leading with his head all night. I thought Randall beat him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
If you recall, Chavez indicated that he didn't wish to continue, and only then did the doc say stop the fight. I think Chavez knew he was beaten, and thus did not give Randall a rematch until like 10yrs later. Considering, Randall was not a big-name fighter, this was one of the cruellest acts in boxing history, and one of the major reasons I don't rank Chavez as high as others. That and his loss/no-rematch with Pernell. Would've like to seen him strep up to fight McGirt, Azumah Nelson. SImon Brown...but he didn't strike me as a champion willing to take risks.
I just watched the Taylor vs Chaves fight and if you watch closly when Steele asked Taylor if you could continue, Taylor looked to the right, and did not respond. HBO blamed this on Lou Duva running up to the apron the second steele asked him, and distracting Taylor, but I think Medrick was on queer street.
Although it is heartbreaking because Chaves probably could not have reached him in 2 seconds.
I also notice that how quick Steele was counting he counted to 8 seconds in about 5 seconds if you can understand that meaning that he counted super fast and he also should of made sure Chavez was in neutral corner and he also should of noticed the red light behind the corner which signals 10 seconds left in the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
The Whitaker V Chavez judging! Those judges were watching re-runs of Lost In Space instead of watching the fight! Bloody Idiots!
Absolutely. I think it was 17 unanswerd punches, that was a tragedy that was preventable. It took Parets life and badly damaged Griffith mentally.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
imo the ref in the 1st fight between Bell and Mormeck was complete bullshit (the tape incident).
What do you mean by "worst call"? Worst decision? Worst stoppage? In boxing, sadly, it could mean many things.
How about the decision in the 3rd Billy Graham/Kid Gavilan fight?
By the way, in Chavez/Taylor, I thought the knockdown should have cinched a clear UD for Chavez.
Tell me your joking ?? not even biggest Chavez fan in the world thought Chavez could of won a decision Taylor outlanded Chavez by almost double beat him on the outside and inside i don't know what fight you was watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
This is my choice as well. I believe Chavez was even asked if he wanted to continue not to mention Randall was dominating
I'm a die hard Chavez fan myself but even I could see he was going to lose that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
On the stoppage, The fact that Steele should have noticed the red light and allowed the fight to continue is not a relevant argument. Let's say he did see the light, does he know there is only 2 seconds left? No, he would have to assume there is 10 seconds. I think we've all seen the "quickest knockout" posts lately and I would submit that a few of them happened well within 10 seconds. Any fighter that had sustained that much punishment over that many rounds could have easily been killed by a savage blow.
Steele did the right thing.
Morales vs Diaz. That was highway robbery. O0
Magee V Burke, Vincent V Barnes. Glencoffe Johnson was robbed on several occasions in the Uk including his bout against Woods.
I just recently watched this one and no one has mentioned it. My god was this a robbery.
Carlos Navarro loosing to Derick Gainer that was painful to see/hear the scores.
Also mentions to Huerta loosing to Raymkulov
I don't understand why these two topics were merged ???
Worst call referred to referees.
Biggest robberies referred to judges.
Seen far too many to choose just one.
DeLa Hoya vs Sturm - Sturm won easily, Made DLH eat jabs all night.
Hatton vs Colazzo - thought Colazzo edged it, Hatton just wasn't as dominant at the higher weight.
Sven Ottke vs anybody - (Still remember Robin Reid getting a warning for punching????)
David Barnes vs Jimmy Vincent - everyone knows Jimmy vincent deserved all but 1 round for his finest performance.
also -
Just about any medocre with britains big promoters seems to be granted a win wether better than the opponent or not.
Boxing isn't just about who's better or trains harder, but who you know and how much money they've put behind you.
"He who pays the the piper names the tune"
Rjj's loss in the olympics....
Carlos Maganas insatiable blood lust. Shame that Moore's corner possessed zero empathy as well.
Biggest boxing robbery is Park Si Hun vs Roy Jones no question, that was just disgusting.
In the pro ranks, I'd have to say Chavez vs Pernell, the simple fact being that NO ONE disputes that Pernell won that fight. Other robberies in the past have people on each side of the fence, but there is absolutely no one on Chavez's side of the fence for that decision, which is amazing seeing as how popular JCC is.
Some decisions I thought were complete robberies...
James Toney vs Sam Peters 1 (Had toney winning 8 rounds)
Tito vs Oscar (had Oscar winning convincingly)
Dave Tiberi vs James Toney (Toney came in out of shape, gassed, and pretty much dominated)
Ali-Norton III was awful, especailly watching Norton's agony after realizing he had been robbed of the undisputed championship he was never to hold. He was technically champ after Leon Spinks refused to fight him, but hardly anyone recognizes that, and in his first defense he lost to Holmes in one of the top 10 heavyweight bouts of all-time. One of the more unlucky fighters in history, and probably the greatest heavyweight never be recognized the undisputed champ.
Reid v Ottke
Spinks v Taylor
Manfredo v Mora II
You're joking, right? As Jim Lampley said, the judge who scored it 116-112 for Spinks should never be allowed to judge another fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
It was 117-111 and he should never be allowed to judge another fight. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeftHookToTheBody
Hell, even worse than I remembered. 9 rounds to 3 for Spinks? Good lord ???Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I just found this read up on this fight between John David Jackson vs Martin Camara.
[b]Martin Camara had been down 5 times but in the 11th caught Jackson and had him out for a 10 count. He was declared the winner by KO but an hour later the referee bizarrely said the round had alreayd ended. Later, the WBO then called it a no-contest in perhaps one of the biggest robberies in boxing history.
Roy Jones in the 1988 Olympic Final
Richard"da robber"Steele stopping the Meldrick Taylor and Chavez fight with a couple seconds left to go.
Augustus-Burton
I'm so glad to see someone else thought the same as I did about those two fights!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Juan La Porte
James Toney vs Dave Tiberi.
Hey ICE, that's your 3rd JCC fight mentioned on this post. He must make your list of all time least favorite fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Not at all bro i respect JCC but Whitaker fight was robbery the La Porte fight alot of people had La Porte winning including myself and was considered a very controversial decision and Taylor fight well theres two sides to that arguement but imo that was robbery also.Quote:
Originally Posted by slk123
Agreed with you on previous post that he was losing to Taylor, but still don't think it was robbery on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Im watching one right now on VS theyre replaying Kid Diamond Vs. Huerta..recent robbery.
Oh! oh!Quote:
Originally Posted by slk123
They're on to you ICB. ;D
I like to think that the JCC vs. Pernell fight was just too hard to call I mean look at the rounds and look at who was the agressor, look at who was the more elusive, the one who fought entire rounds, the one who used more ring genralship.
How many times does the JCC-MT stoppage need to be disscused?
Going by the rules, which is what Steele is supposed to do cause hes ref. he did the right thing. Hes not a time keeper he is the ref.
A fighter got knocked down, he began to count he saw the fighter was hurt so he took the next rule.
Steele: Are you OK? Are you OK?
No answer from MT Steele looks at him again and waives it off.
By the rules of the sport MT lost, in peoples hearts he was robbed.
Unfortunately theres a difference there.
1 is a reality the other is an emotion.
Well said. Sometimes, we as fans, get so emotionally involved with our fighter that we forget that it's sometimes better for our fighter to lost immediately than be punished gravely.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
We should also consider our fighter like any ordinary human. They can be permanently damaged if the referee allows them to be a human punching bag.
Holyfield Lewis 1 is the one that pops up in my head. How can you beat the shit out of someone for 12 rounds and walk away with a draw.
Winky wright v.s Taylor
watch that fight again and tell me if Taylor deserved a draw. Wright won it clearly.
Thanks, and believe me I know that all to well.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
There was a point in time where I would get to emotional with fights and the outcome of fights.
I've entered a rehab center and I'm doing better now.
:)
Good call on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckNorris