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Re: Nutter kills 20 teenagers in US campus
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Like I said brother he had delusions of prosecution and a messiah complex.....adding to which he may have been bipolar.
The whole deal is that in psychology and psychiatry you have to follow certain rules to ensure the rights of the patient...you also rely on government funding to run most mental health hospitals which usually takes a back seat to "more important matters".....well there is a BIG reason that like 80% of homeless people are unmedicated/self medicating(with drugs and alcohol) schizophrenics....it's really bad in California, I think Santa Monica maybe where they have a big problem with that.
As for this kid....he was never detained against his will (which can be done but is hard to do). The policies in place at the University and for the state of Virgina made it difficult to do anything about him. He obviously needed medication and LOTS of therapy....and he probably would never have left the funny farm once he was put in but it would be for the best for everyone
i disagree that he was bipolar cause generally speaking the bipolar people i encountered and possibly myself lol tend to be really really freakin happy and then realy depressed. theres no signs yet that this kid was every really happy. also bipolar people tend to be real creative and talented in some artistic artform of expression hahaha i havent really seen that in him yet? that is interesting in the messiah complex you mentioned.
i remember going back to when i used to drink alcohol i felt bipolar like effects meaning obviously a good buzzzzzz would make you feel good, but the stress drama of work/school/girls etc would bring you down once again. thats one of the other reasons why i quit alcohol too.
there's different types of bipolar people. There's some cases where someone is either depressed or manic for weeks or months at a time and theres others (like what i used to have) when they can cycle between manic and depressive several times a day. Being manic doesn't nessesarily mean you are happy. When you are manic you have very high self esteem and being angry and irritated isnt that uncommon in this state. You get a god complex and feel that you can do anything because theres nothing in the world thats gonna stop you. It might seem to the person suffering from mania that they are in a good mood or they have good self-esteem but those around them who actually know them see it as them being an extremely cocky, arrogant, asshole with a highly inflated ego.
true and thats why so many celebrities, accomplished people, successful people are BI POLAR they get mad shiiiiiiit done when the mood is right ;)
If you can control a manic state its the best thing that can happen to you (aside from the fact that you'll be crying later for some reason you cant understand). You get lots of energy and lose any amount of shyness you may have had. There's no doubt in my mind a person in a mania spell is way more productive than a regular person but regardless of how happy you are and all that a depressive state will kick in and it doesn't need something to set it off it will just happen. However on the same token if you're in a depressive state you'll automatically be in a good mood after some time passes and you have no idea why. I dunno it has its positives and negatives like everything else. I don't trust anit-depressives tho it looks like it messes up more people than it helps.
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Re: Nutter kills 20 teenagers in US campus
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Like I said brother he had delusions of prosecution and a messiah complex.....adding to which he may have been bipolar.
The whole deal is that in psychology and psychiatry you have to follow certain rules to ensure the rights of the patient...you also rely on government funding to run most mental health hospitals which usually takes a back seat to "more important matters".....well there is a BIG reason that like 80% of homeless people are unmedicated/self medicating(with drugs and alcohol) schizophrenics....it's really bad in California, I think Santa Monica maybe where they have a big problem with that.
As for this kid....he was never detained against his will (which can be done but is hard to do). The policies in place at the University and for the state of Virgina made it difficult to do anything about him. He obviously needed medication and LOTS of therapy....and he probably would never have left the funny farm once he was put in but it would be for the best for everyone
i disagree that he was bipolar cause generally speaking the bipolar people i encountered and possibly myself lol tend to be really really freakin happy and then realy depressed. theres no signs yet that this kid was every really happy. also bipolar people tend to be real creative and talented in some artistic artform of expression hahaha i havent really seen that in him yet? that is interesting in the messiah complex you mentioned.
i remember going back to when i used to drink alcohol i felt bipolar like effects meaning obviously a good buzzzzzz would make you feel good, but the stress drama of work/school/girls etc would bring you down once again. thats one of the other reasons why i quit alcohol too.
there's different types of bipolar people. There's some cases where someone is either depressed or manic for weeks or months at a time and theres others (like what i used to have) when they can cycle between manic and depressive several times a day. Being manic doesn't nessesarily mean you are happy. When you are manic you have very high self esteem and being angry and irritated isnt that uncommon in this state. You get a god complex and feel that you can do anything because theres nothing in the world thats gonna stop you. It might seem to the person suffering from mania that they are in a good mood or they have good self-esteem but those around them who actually know them see it as them being an extremely cocky, arrogant, asshole with a highly inflated ego.
true and thats why so many celebrities, accomplished people, successful people are BI POLAR they get mad shiiiiiiit done when the mood is right ;)
If you can control a manic state its the best thing that can happen to you (aside from the fact that you'll be crying later for some reason you cant understand). You get lots of energy and lose any amount of shyness you may have had. There's no doubt in my mind a person in a mania spell is way more productive than a regular person but regardless of how happy you are and all that a depressive state will kick in and it doesn't need something to set it off it will just happen. However on the same token if you're in a depressive state you'll automatically be in a good mood after some time passes and you have no idea why. I dunno it has its positives and negatives like everything else. I don't trust anit-depressives tho it looks like it messes up more people than it helps.
i actually agree with everything u just wrote
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Re: Nutter kills 20 teenagers in US campus
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Like I said brother he had delusions of prosecution and a messiah complex.....adding to which he may have been bipolar.
The whole deal is that in psychology and psychiatry you have to follow certain rules to ensure the rights of the patient...you also rely on government funding to run most mental health hospitals which usually takes a back seat to "more important matters".....well there is a BIG reason that like 80% of homeless people are unmedicated/self medicating(with drugs and alcohol) schizophrenics....it's really bad in California, I think Santa Monica maybe where they have a big problem with that.
As for this kid....he was never detained against his will (which can be done but is hard to do). The policies in place at the University and for the state of Virgina made it difficult to do anything about him. He obviously needed medication and LOTS of therapy....and he probably would never have left the funny farm once he was put in but it would be for the best for everyone
i disagree that he was bipolar cause generally speaking the bipolar people i encountered and possibly myself lol tend to be really really freakin happy and then realy depressed. theres no signs yet that this kid was every really happy. also bipolar people tend to be real creative and talented in some artistic artform of expression hahaha i havent really seen that in him yet? that is interesting in the messiah complex you mentioned.
i remember going back to when i used to drink alcohol i felt bipolar like effects meaning obviously a good buzzzzzz would make you feel good, but the stress drama of work/school/girls etc would bring you down once again. thats one of the other reasons why i quit alcohol too.
there's different types of bipolar people. There's some cases where someone is either depressed or manic for weeks or months at a time and theres others (like what i used to have) when they can cycle between manic and depressive several times a day. Being manic doesn't nessesarily mean you are happy. When you are manic you have very high self esteem and being angry and irritated isnt that uncommon in this state. You get a god complex and feel that you can do anything because theres nothing in the world thats gonna stop you. It might seem to the person suffering from mania that they are in a good mood or they have good self-esteem but those around them who actually know them see it as them being an extremely cocky, arrogant, asshole with a highly inflated ego.
true and thats why so many celebrities, accomplished people, successful people are BI POLAR they get mad shiiiiiiit done when the mood is right ;)
If you can control a manic state its the best thing that can happen to you (aside from the fact that you'll be crying later for some reason you cant understand). You get lots of energy and lose any amount of shyness you may have had. There's no doubt in my mind a person in a mania spell is way more productive than a regular person but regardless of how happy you are and all that a depressive state will kick in and it doesn't need something to set it off it will just happen. However on the same token if you're in a depressive state you'll automatically be in a good mood after some time passes and you have no idea why. I dunno it has its positives and negatives like everything else. I don't trust anit-depressives tho it looks like it messes up more people than it helps.
i actually agree with everything u just wrote
im just speaking from experience.
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u ever heard the saying alcohol is liquid courage?
well thats one thing i never wanted to depend on.
i mean if u need alcohol to give a presentation, hollar at some hot chick, or fly a plane then to me thats unstable.
i mean if i see some hot chick at the grocery store and i want to talk to her what am i gonna do buy some grey goose and cranberry juice and start mixing it up in the frozen food section? ;D
i conditioned myself to be GREAT without the need of any alcohol.
i used to be scared shitlesss to fly and always needed to get hammered before take off.
but now i just fly with ease just by conditioning myself the natural way :D
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Re: Nutter kills 20 teenagers in US campus
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did u all hear the latest copy cat wannabe? at NASA??????? WTF?
There is a picture of the nutter posted on CNN... >:mad
http://www.geocities.com/tomhanks00/50.jpg
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Originally Posted by Oggie
hahaa i got my first BLANK during that movie LOL!
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Re: Nutter kills 20 teenagers in US campus
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
u ever heard the saying alcohol is liquid courage?
well thats one thing i never wanted to depend on.
i mean if u need alcohol to give a presentation, hollar at some hot chick, or fly a plane then to me thats unstable.
i mean if i see some hot chick at the grocery store and i want to talk to her what am i gonna do buy some grey goose and cranberry juice and start mixing it up in the frozen food section? ;D
i conditioned myself to be GREAT without the need of any alcohol.
i used to be scared shitlesss to fly and always needed to get hammered before take off.
but now i just fly with ease just by conditioning myself the natural way :D
alcohol helped me get over my fear of heights. ( i don't recommend trying the method i used as it can easily result in a drunken stumble and some broken bones). Its not like someone can control when they are manic or depressive it just shows up wether they want it to or not.
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yeah alcohol actually acted as red bull in me. meaning how most peeps pass out and fall asleep when drunk me on the other hand i can dance/party/F all night!
so when in vegas id be doing all nighters till bout 10-11am just off the alcohol.
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Re: Nutter kills 20 teenagers in US campus
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i disagree that he was bipolar cause generally speaking the bipolar people i encountered and possibly myself lol tend to be really really freakin happy and then realy depressed. theres no signs yet that this kid was every really happy. also bipolar people tend to be real creative and talented in some artistic artform of expression hahaha i havent really seen that in him yet? that is interesting in the messiah complex you mentioned.
i remember going back to when i used to drink alcohol i felt bipolar like effects meaning obviously a good buzzzzzz would make you feel good, but the stress drama of work/school/girls etc would bring you down once again. thats one of the  other reasons why i quit alcohol too.
The problem with some bipolar people is that they self medicate (and that would make things worse) and there people who react VERY differently to being bipolar and not on medication....there was a football player a couple years ago, Barrett Robbins who is bipolar but experienced more depression than anything else then you come to Alonzo Spellman who according to wikipedia did this....
Spellman exhibited erratic behavior during his time with the Bears. The first incident in which this behavior became public was in March of 1998, in which Spellman became enraged when a doctor was late for an appointment, pulling a telephone off of a wall and threatening suicide. Complicating matters, Spellman had access to alcohol and a firearm and by this time weighed in the neigborhood of 300 lbs (136 kg). Authorities were called in, and friend and former teammate Mike Singletary helped get Spellman to check into a hospital, but Spellman later wandered out of the hospital.
Spellman was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but refused to take medication, instead becoming increasingly reliant on drugs and alcohol. This led to even more erratic behavior and run-ins with the law. These problems, along with his refusal to undergo arthroscopic surgery on his injured shoulder, led to Spellman's release by the Bears.
Spellman started taking medication and his disorder did not cause any major problems during his time with the Cowboys and Lions. However, after his NFL career ended, Spellman stopped taking his medication and again ran into problems with the law. Most notably, he had a manic episode on July 23, 2002 in which he disrupted a flight from Cincinnati to Philadelphia. Spellman initially suggested that the flight was going to crash, then became verbally abusive to other passengers and threatened members of the flight crew. The plane was forced to make an emergency landing. Spellman was released, but then destroyed some property at his brother's home and was taken to a psychiatric hospital. He was later arrested on charges of terrorizing the 138 passengers on the plane. Although doctors confirmed that he had bipolar disorder, Spellman was determined to be legally sane and spent 18 months in federal prison.
In interviews with ESPN, Spellman has said he now knows how important it is to take the medication for his disorder. He had hoped to return to the NFL, but his age and history presented significant barriers to a comeback. He is now "100 percent into" mixed martial arts.
Schizophrenia would be another guess of mine...but it's very tricky to guess at what someone is afflicted with, without doing a true analysis of his symptoms.....to do that you have to ask a number of questions, what, when, where, how much....and based on the answers given even with a "crazy person" you get a better idea as to what is wrong....family history helps out a lot too as most mental disorders are genetic
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Schizophrenia is bi polar disorder.
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Well as an US Infantry man I shoot a wide variety of assault weapons regularly. I own two shotguns for hunting and one for home defense(mainly for the wife during deployments) as well as three rifles( .22 .32 .308) for hunting and collecting. That being said I don't own or have any desire to own a assault rifle or handgun. Many of my coworkers do though. In the end I believe we as a country and a world don't put enough onus on personal accountability. Blame the person for the horrible act not the intantimate object. We as a country can only start to fix our errors when we start holding people feet to the fire when they fuckup and not let them copout with some BS excuse. I guesss I'm just a redneck American but you can have my firearm when you pull it from my cold dead hand.
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Schizophrenia is bi polar disorder.
no that is a personality disorder. bi polar and a skitzo are two different things.
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Schizophrenia is bi polar disorder.
No it's not....there are MANY MANY MANY differences between them
Bipolar is manic depression though....maybe you were confused
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Well as an US Infantry man I shoot a wide variety of assault weapons regularly. I own two shotguns for hunting and one for home defense(mainly for the wife during deployments) as well as three rifles( .22 .32 .308) for hunting and collecting. That being said I don't own or have any desire to own a assault rifle or handgun. Many of my coworkers do though. In the end I believe we as a country and a world don't put enough onus on personal accountability. Blame the person for the horrible act not the intantimate object. We as a country can only start to fix our errors when we start holding people feet to the fire when they fuckup and not let them copout with some BS excuse. I guesss I'm just a redneck American but you can have my firearm when you pull it from my cold dead hand.
CC for your service and for your view on the situation
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all interesting......... but i see a major problem here we wont know if this kids was abused which my theory was he was severly abused since his writings are clearly obsessed with abuse.
its not like his dad or uncle will come forward and be all like hey its my fault i used to molest the kid back in the day u feel me?
unless say his sister comes forward or someone else that knew exactly what went on in this kids child hood or whatever?
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He could have been molested.....but he also could have been a molester as well.
He did seem confused, I think the molestation was not the biggest issue with him.....the mental disorders and dellusions were, because they affected other people obviously.
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He could have been molested.....but he also could have been a molester as well.
He did seem confused, I think the molestation was not the biggest issue with him.....the mental disorders and dellusions were, because they affected other people obviously.
i dont know bro ill be completely honest here and say ........ I was sexually harassed by a WHITE MAN boss of mine and it fucked me up big time yo i almost murdered the guy man!
so just getting sexually harassed as an adult did that much damage to me, imagine a helpless defenseless kid growing up under that.
even after my INCIDENT to this day i dont hate white people or gay people cause i know this one just one random ASSHOLE and not all white people or gay people were like him.
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yeah definently I understand dude.....I can't say I have been in that situation before but I can imagine it was pretty tough to deal with
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Originally Posted by Lyle
He could have been molested.....but he also could have been a molester as well.
He did seem confused, I think the molestation was not the biggest issue with him.....the mental disorders and dellusions were, because they affected other people obviously.
i dont know bro ill be completely honest here and say ........ I was sexually harassed by a WHITE MAN boss of mine and it fucked me up big time yo i almost murdered the guy man!
so just getting sexually harassed as an adult did that much damage to me, imagine a helpless defenseless kid growing up under that.
even after my INCIDENT to this day i dont hate white people or gay people cause i know this one just one random ASSHOLE and not all white people or gay people were like him.
which reminds me i still gotta do something nice with that "SETTLING" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :lickish:
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Schizophrenia is bi polar disorder.
No it's not....there are MANY MANY MANY differences between them
Bipolar is manic depression though....maybe you were confused
Yeah you are right. I had the two confused and thanks for the clarification.
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Schizophrenia is bi polar disorder.
No it's not....there are MANY MANY MANY differences between them
Bipolar is manic depression though....maybe you were confused
Yeah you are right. I had the two confused and thanks for the clarification.
its ok bro better than getting bi polar and bi sexual mixed up ;D
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Lyle
He could have been molested.....but he also could have been a molester as well.
He did seem confused, I think the molestation was not the biggest issue with him.....the mental disorders and dellusions were, because they affected other people obviously.
i dont know bro ill be completely honest here and say ........ I was sexually harassed by a WHITE MAN boss of mine and it fucked me up big time yo i almost murdered the guy man!
so just getting sexually harassed as an adult did that much damage to me, imagine a helpless defenseless kid growing up under that.
even after my INCIDENT to this day i dont hate white people or gay people cause i know this one just one random ASSHOLE and not all white people or gay people were like him.
There is never a dull moment on Saddo's. I don't know you guys but I read all of your stuff and it feels like I do?? I'm not going ot cool click you because you were harassed but I can imagine it was pretty awful. I will CC you for admitting it.
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Originally Posted by boozeboxer
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Lyle
He could have been molested.....but he also could have been a molester as well.
He did seem confused, I think the molestation was not the biggest issue with him.....the mental disorders and dellusions were, because they affected other people obviously.
i dont know bro ill be completely honest here and say ........ I was sexually harassed by a WHITE MAN boss of mine and it fucked me up big time yo i almost murdered the guy man!
so just getting sexually harassed as an adult did that much damage to me, imagine a helpless defenseless kid growing up under that.
even after my INCIDENT to this day i dont hate white people or gay people cause i know this one just one random ASSHOLE and not all white people or gay people were like him.
There is never a dull moment on Saddo's. I don't know you guys but I read all of your stuff and it feels like I do?? I'm not going ot cool click you because you were harassed but I can imagine it was pretty awful. I will CC you for admitting it.
well bro it takes a SECURE man to keep it REAL and thats one thing if u notice whenever i post i keeps it REAAAAAAAAL son 24-7!
im not gonna play the race card and say its the white man holding me down even tho my boss was a white man who did this to my minority asss, i just view him as a real assshole dooosh bag who threw his career away just to sexually harasss a fine good looking man like myself.
to this day i cant see his logic at all.
but yo i did the right thing and i am who i am cause of what ive been thru.
corporate america is rough man. this one fine example of why i am now my own boss!
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i'm trying to figure out which is worse Rapid fire manic depression or a very long lasting manic episode.
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i'm trying to figure out which is worse Rapid fire manic depression or a very long lasting manic episode.
honestly my advice to anyone who has it is.........
express yourself in some form of artistic way: write, draw, paint, write songs. be as creative as you can!
try to see the beauty in all things(i know it sounds cheezy as F)
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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
i'm trying to figure out which is worse Rapid fire manic depression or a very long lasting manic episode.
honestly my advice to anyone who has it is.........
express yourself in some form of artistic way: write, draw, paint, write songs. be as creative as you can!
try to see the beauty in all things(i know it sounds cheezy as F)
would be easier to manage if my trainign stuff in the garage was available
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see bro i LOVE movies. i worked in the entertainment industry for a MIN! i got some pretty connected powerful friends in the bizz. so sometimes when i have free time i write movie scripts. alot of the scripts are loosely based or highly influenced by the shiiiiit i went thru in my life.
the best stuff u cant make up.
so my advice is to write: poems, songs, short stories, just get real creative man. draw, paint, even make or build shiiiiiit.
