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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm proud too. Calzaghe was magical tonight.
Hopkins is a whole different kind of game though, he would make Joe look sort of like Bika made him look.
I'd pay to see that fight though but im not flying all the way to england to see it ;D Thank god for hbo
Joe looked like utter shit and that was a complete robbery!!
Ha , just kidding Joe impressed me with his stamina and chin, he just responded everytime Kessler tried to launch any offense. It was a great fight, and Joe put on a show of hand speed and pretty good defense from both as well.
Hopkins Vs.Calzaghe must happen.......... ;D ;D ;D Even if hes 52,B-hop can counter Calzaghes Stride ,true Chess match w/Joe leading and Hopkins Countering ;) Calzaghe has entered an entirely different era and deserves much respect as top notch tecnician :box3:
Having read your RBR wack, I must say Calzaghe sounds like he's impressed a whole heap of people tonight, and it was fantastic to be there and see it all unfold, but in the stadium I felt it to be a fairly tight fight.
There were a few times, especially early on where it looked as though Calzaghe was hurt, and from where I was sitting, it was more obvious to the crowd when Calzaghe was hurt than when Mikkel Kessler was hurt, because Calzaghe seemed to sag and stumble a little, whilst Kessler appeared to be less hurt. We were all quite surprised at the wide margin from one of the judges, but I guess it's all about perspective and from where you're seeing the fight.
And finally, I was pretty damned stoked when I got home too, because I'd put a triple bet on with Enzo Macc to win by KO, Calzaghe to win, and JMMarquez to win, and at about 7/1 with £20 on it, I'm happy with that too.
I'm looking forward to have another look at the fight on the box tomorrow afternoon, and I'll see how different it looks on the plasma screen.
calzaghe started winning the middle rounds mostly because of work rate but as the fight wore on, in my opinion, the biggest factor was kessler couldnt land on him throughout the whole round of any round from the 5th on while calzaghe was overwhelming him a little more and a little more by his consistant workrate until by the 11th it was turning into a blowout, and calzaghe wasnt just winning the rounds, but also winning by a larger margin....Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
but i could see how live with no commentary it would be hard to see that wide of a victory because kessler was landing and throwing the harder shots... but in the end calzaghe consistantcy throught 5 to 12 was amazing, while kessler fought hard for 45 second spurts...
I agree that 117-111 card is a bit wide IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Good fight. Big nose, c0cky b@stard, Calzaghe, was pretty impressive. Kessler did his best, but just could not get his jab working, and all his combos and stuff seem to come off that jab. I gave Kessler every round I could and he still lost 7-5. Joe Won, legit, no gift decisions or nothin. Damnit I cannot stand Calzaghe though. And Harold's card was way off! Fuker was on his nuts all night.
Fuck me!! :o
Does Joe have a fucken solid jaw or what?
Got damn! those uppercuts and straight rights that Kess landed were brutal and yet Joe took them like nothing.
I don't have my entire card but I know heres how I had it thru 6.
Kess Rd: 1, 2, 4
Joe Rd: 3, 5, 6
Anyway!! Congrats to Joe he deserves P4P status and respect.
Time for debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Hopkins vs Calzaghe will shock everyone.
Joe will be the first fighter on the face of the earth outside of the Pre-Prime-Jones to make Hopkins come off as confused & confounded.
Joe wasn't made anything by Bika.
It's a flaw & it's also common knowledge that Joe fights to the level of his opposition.
Hopkins is the fight of his career. He knows that...Hopkins knows that...Oscar knows that...they will ALL bank on it!!!!
hopkins knows how to defens agains flailing your wrists like a girl
calzaghe is sam soliman with less output, less form, and the confused tactics of darchinian
calzaghes such a joke...
why not have him fight all of the shitty undefeated SMWs, theyre undefeated so we can make a big deal about it
seriously, what was it that goty kessler so hyped up? the fact that he beat bayer!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
bayer lost to a guy who fucking has a loss to murrad fucking hakkar, who BTW, looked better in his fight vs hopkins then calzaghe EVER would
BTW
jeff lacy is fighting peter manfredo now, all the calzaghe fans wont want to miss this epic battle, those two are all time greats, i mean, they muist be, why else would calzaghe be touted so highly?
all the other guys calzaghe beat who had 0 or 1 loss tacked on quite a few losses after they fought calzaghe, but im sure thats just cuz he ruined them with his blinding speed that moves so incredibly fast it actuially looks like its going slow as fuck, like an optical illusion
I aint even going to dignify that ignorance with a legit response... ::**
:appl: Indeed...Joe do have a sturdy chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
hey look, that don omega looking fuck kevin iole wrote an article
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CARDIFF, Wales – If there were any doubts that Joe Calzaghe is the finest super middleweight in the world, he erased them with a brilliant performance Saturday against Mikkel Kessler before a roaring crowd of 50,014 of his closest friends at Millennium Stadium.
If there were any lingering questions as to whether Calzaghe's cock belongs in my mouth, he answered those affirmatively by making the adjustments he had to make to make it fit better then nearly any other fighter alive.
It's not so simple, though, to say that Calzaghe will get the cock he so desperately craves, ex-middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins.
He deserves a match against Hopkins or someone of similar stature, but there simply aren't many of those out there.
Calzaghe proved Saturday he's alone in a small group at the top, along with Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Hopkins and Juan Manuel Marquez.
Wanting a lick of Hopkins' cock and getting it, though, are two entirely different things. Calzaghe promoter Frank Warren tried to bully Hopkins into it during a giddy performance at a post-fight news conference in the wee hours of Sunday morning.
Warren so badly wants the cock for the man who has helped make him the sport's leading power broker in Europe that he said he is willing to cede every advantage to Hopkins.
"He can pick the hole. He can pick the date. He can pick the site," Warren blustered. "We don't care. We want this cock. We'll suck him in his back yard, if that's where he wants it. Joe Calzaghe wants that cock and he deserves it."
Hopkins was several thousand miles away and not in a position to answer Warren's challenge.
And HBO Sports executive Kery Davis, whose network would presumably help fund such a match, said his initial reaction is that he'd likely much prefer Calzaghe to next fuck the winner of the Feb. 16 rematch between middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik and Jermain Taylor.
"Either guy would make a good fuck with Joe," Davis said of Pavlik and Taylor, who are fighting their rematch at a catch weight of 166 pounds.
Negotiating with Hopkins is difficult when one holds all the cards, but after basically offering to give Hopkins everything but the right to name his nephew as the referee and his cousins as the judges, Warren may have made arranging the fight more difficult than landing a date with Jessica Alba.
Clearly, there is no one within the 168-pound division who can compare to Calzaghe. He could have found tougher fights a lot of nights in a cemetery than some of the victims on his 44-0 ledger, but it's hard to argue against a guy who's as dominant as he is when he faces a challenge.
In his first title unification fight about 20 months ago, he dismantled then-IBF champion Jeff Lacy and won every round.
On Saturday, he faced a more difficult and more versatile opponent and predictably had a more difficult time. But two of the judges gave him eight of the 12 rounds and the other scored nine of the 12 for the Welshman.
Calzaghe threw 1,010 punches, an astonishingly high figure for a super middleweight. And though Kessler conceded he was hurt by a body shot in the middle of the fight, he said overall that Calzaghe isn't a knockout artist.
"I don't think the power is all there, but it confuses one when he's throwing so many punches," the vanquished champion said in tribute to his conqueror.
Calzaghe conceded he could have made the fight easier by fighting the first five rounds the way he did the last seven, when he circled to his left, away from Kessler's power, and kept a persistent jab in the Dane's face.
It was a wise move, given the thudding uppercuts Kessler was using to spin Calzaghe's head in the first five rounds. They were hard enough and frequent enough that they elicited audible "ooohs" from the massively pro-Calzaghe throng.
The quality of Calzaghe's chin had been questioned in the past because of several trips to the canvas against less-than-imposing punchers, but he proved Saturday that those were mere flukes and lapses in concentration than anything else.
Kessler hit him with at least a half-dozen thudding rights, but they never deterred Calzaghe from resuming his attack.
"I felt I was dominating the fight and my jab was working right there from the start," Calzaghe said. "Like I do a lot of times, I got a bit careless. I hurt him with a body shot in the fourth round and I shook him up a little bit and then I got careless. But I suppose that's what makes fights exciting."
It was a marvelous night at the fights, both because of the atmosphere in the arena with the enthusiastic and surprisingly well-behaved crowd as well as the performance of the fighters.
The real fight began, though, after Michael Buffer announced the judges' scores and had declared Calzaghe the winner.
Warren began the hunt for Hopkins' signature, while Calzaghe said he just wants a big event.
One of those big events, though, won't be a rematch.
"I don't really like rematches, especially against a guy like this," Calzaghe said, nodding to Kessler, who was seated next to him. "He's young and he's going to get better."
Calzaghe, 35, said he'd welcome a fight with Pavlik, but said he believed he'd knock him out.
His heart, though, seems set on Hopkins, a bout that was nearly made for Showtime several years ago.
"Honestly, if I had my pick and it was up to me, Hopkins would be the guy," Calzaghe said.
Warren did his level best to get Hopkins angry enough to take the fight. Hopkins, though, is far too sly to fall for any of Warren's tricks.
If the bout is to happen, it will only be after a long, protracted and frequently painful negotiation. Warren, though, didn't become one of the world's elite promoters by giving up easily.
"Bernard Hopkins is a great fighter and a great athlete, but I'll tell you what," Warren said. "Go back and think of the great fighters and the great boxers of the States, the Ray Leonards, the Tommy Hearns', the Marvin Haglers. They fought everybody. They didn't do their best to duck. They didn't duck. All those big fights happened.
"Joe Calzaghe will go to the States. He will fight Mr. Hopkins in his hometown. He'll go to Philadelphia to fight him. He will fight him anywhere it takes to get the fight on. If Bernard Hopkins is the warrior he says he is, then make the fight. Make that fight with Joe Calzaghe."
Calzaghe is unbeaten and largely unchallenged in his brilliant career, but simply finding a way to get Hopkins' name on a contract may be the toughest test he's faced yet.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns
that made me happy :)
I'd love to see the fight, but it'd be negative and ugly from Hopkins. And look what happened with the judging in his last fight. Even with all the advantages I think Hopkins will duck him. In reality it comes down to what the TV companies will pay for more than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
LMFAO at Sal's article! ;D
So Joe wants B Hop,we'll see what happens. Joe's called him out and wants the fight seriously. If B Hop doesn't take it...well we all know what that means. As for Joe,he is P4P top 5,has CRUSHED the 2 biggest threats to him,2 hungey,unbeatenpowerful young lions with belts and now has a few fights in him. I see an RJJ fight if he beats Tito and a B Hop fight.
I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for Hopkins or Jones to sign up for a fight with Calzaghe. Calzaghe would mess up both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I wouldnt mind watching it happen though!! ;D
I agree Joe would beat on them both! I'd especially like to see a B Hop fight! RJJ is too far past his best for that fight to mean anything anymore although it would be HUGE $$$ for Joe and who could begrudge him that? Hey Miles,check your PM!!Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I think it has to be Hopkins now, because he's the one with a recent pedigree as well as a legend...whilst RJJ would be a faded name to add to the record. There aren't that many names out there left for him now, maybe claim a Light-heavy belt against Clinton Woods or Chad Dawson, before a finale against Hopkins would be a great climax to his career for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I think JC only wants B Hop and RJJ. A Woods fight would not be that great a spectacle imo,nor would a Dawson fight. If Taylor beats Pavlik the second time they fight,he'd be an easy payday for Joe.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Agreed?Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Everyone talks about Dawson, but lets be honest what has he done do far?? He beat Adamek good result but, whose Adamek? Dawson needs to do a bit more before getting a fight with Calzaghe.
That was one of the most absorbing fights i've watched in a long time! Both men were outstanding. That for me is what a fight should like like.
Both men on their A game, refusing to wilt.
I can't recall ever being so nervous watching a fight. Both men were constantly fine tunning there boxing. The number of times the momentum changed per round (let alone the course of the fight) was simply fantastic.
Joe Clazaghe. What a fighter! Tough SOB too. Damn he got caught with about 5 maybe 6 shots that should of had him out of there!
So good offensively... So energized, always up on his toes!
Although for me he didn't punch as hard as id like, he got PLENTY of power shots home and the way he found spots for that jab was just plain sexy! ^-^
Mikkel Kessler. Wow! There was points in that fight were he was making Calzaghe look like Lacy! And then came that 1st uppercut :o
I seriously thought it was over there & then (And Im sure Kessler did too ::** ).
Kessler should of pressed more though. A few more of his power shots through out the fight would of been so so decisive. Maybe Calzaghe's rally in the 8 had Kessler doubting himself.
Great fight. Loved every single second of it. Both men gained a lot last night.
I think Joe should try and break Marciano's record he's so close. Then he can hang em up.
Adamek is a very good solid fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
skel1983, please note that Dawsons name was mentioned by "Supaheavyrhun" who happens to be a Calzaghe fan. He just threw Dawsons name out there as a possible future match up being that Dawson holds the WBC title.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Oddly enough I was the 1st person on this site to mention both Kess & Dawson as future potential champs waay before they won a title.
I started watching and following Dawson from very early in his career. The kids vastly improved his ring skills, he moves well and uses his distance something that Calzaghe also does. I just dont see Dawson going being much of challange for Joe the only interesting thing about a potential Joe vs. Dawson fight is that they are both southpaws and Dawsons taller and has a longer reach. Other then that I just see Joe rolling allover Dawson. Dawsons still green IMO and has some things to learn. Thing is hes already a World Champ so right now he just has to go out there and learn as he goes. Not sure how much you've seen of Adamek but Adamek is one of the toughest fighters out there hes already championed at Light Heavy and is making his mark as a Cruiserweight so we'll see whats to come of him.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Dont get me wrong Mick i think Dawson is a talented good young fighter, but i dont think he has built up his name enough for me to warrent a fight with Calzaghe to be honest.
I honestly want Joe to fight Pavlik, another young hungry guy who can bang, i would love to see this fight.
I think Joe's had enough of 168. He's recently said that he's always thought he'd be better at 175 (why he stayed at 168 i'll never know.... Irrelevant now of course).
I dunno if B-Hop would be an entertaining match up but it would be for silly money. Im sure Joe would like some silly money :)
I agree and even more so for the sake of Dawsons career he should steer clear from Joe and focus on his own thing there. Dawson IMO has potential future fights with Erdei, Green, Diaconu.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Joe needs not to waste time with young fighters he needs the big names at Light Heavy. Hopkins, Woods, Glen.
Let's keep in mind Joe pulled out of the fights when he set to fight Glen so we might see that happen now.
Just finished watching the fight. I still think Pavlik - Taylor is the best fight I've seen this year, but this one's a close second. I had Calzaghe slightly ahead through 8 rounds, but it was still up in the air until Calzaghe showed the mark of a true champion and won the championship rounds.
I gained a huge amount of respect for both fighters. They both gave it their all, and Calzaghe just out-thought Kessler. Great fight, I'm a fan of both fighters from this day forward.
In regards to Calzaghe - Hopkins, I think JC's work-rate will just be too much for B-Hop and I don't think B-Hop can take that away. I know he appeared to do that against Winky, but I'm not convinced it wasn't a case of all the extra weight making Winky sluggish (Winky's not exactly a young fighter either, and has showed some signs of aging in his last few fights). The one thing working in Hopkins' favor is that Kessler was able to hit Calzaghe with some clean counter-punches and Hopkins is a masterful counter-puncher.
lol @ how wrong that actually was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Agreed. I say that he's done with it too...what else is left to do? Beat Mundine? Actually...I'd like that even...but I want him to move up & fight Hopkins, Tarver, Jones, or Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
I think that it would. The styles would clash so badly that something crazy would have to happen...plus...all that experience...as gritty as Hopkins is & as awkward & fast as Joe is...oh it'd be something of a mess...but I am sure we'd all come out thrilled shitless.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boogie Man
Calzaghe Hopkins would be a huge clash of styles, and a messy fight, still would love to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I see it quite close, and like you said, Hopkins will land the counters, But Joe showed last night how he can take those poerful one shot counters and rally straight back. I'd pick Joe to win a UD after a grueling contest due to his work rate, though he could just as well stay on the outside peppering him with that jab waiting for B-hop to make a mistake. Would be a fight against to of the best thinkers in the sport.
dawsons done ALOT more then lacy and kesslerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
No he hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Im sorry but wtf has Dawson done that comes close to Kessler??Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
I feel ya...I did the same thing with Pavlik & Calzaghe. It does feel good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
As far as Hopkins goes...I was proud of him for battering the fuck outta Tarver...didn't expect it...but Calzaghe & Tarver are miles apart.
Hopkins will still be an all time great no matter what happens...but...I'd really be shocked senseless if he beat Joe.
No argument from here too.
I acknowledge that Joe Calzaghe is the king of SMW.